• Hifix antenna

    From Brian Howie@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 13 19:56:08 2021
    I was looking around the Internet for some ideas for Top-Band/472KHz
    vertical antennas and came across these articles.

    Http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/hifixaerial.html

    http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/reminiscences.html

    Hifix was a navigational aid on LF. It was the "jingle bells" noise on Top-band. They were dotted around the coast. I found the disused
    installation at Corswall Point in Galloway a couple of years ago.

    It seems a contributor to uram Ian Jackson G3OHX has been here before
    and built copies of the antenna,

    It is a bit unusual in that not only is there a capacitive top hat, but
    another one about halfway up.

    Ian points out it that it is not good for skywave ; an inverted L is
    better.

    I modelled the antenna as is and there is not much radiation upwards,
    The elevation angle is about 29 degrees on a typical real ground.

    The antenna impedance is about 2,5 -202j ohms and needs about 17uH to
    tune it. You need good grounding to get the efficiency up.

    The same antenna is 0,14 - 1200j on 472KHz, so the efficiency will
    really take a hit, It would actually be a pretty decent low angle
    antenna on 80m

    I removed the middle capacity hat and found it didn't have much effect,
    so a simplification is possible.

    Maybe Ian would like to comment on what he found.

    Brian GM4DIJ

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to brian@b-howie.co.uk on Thu Jan 14 22:40:40 2021
    In message <YEXtJ$JYB1$fFwNF@b-howie.co.uk>, Brian Howie
    <brian@b-howie.co.uk> writes
    I was looking around the Internet for some ideas for Top-Band/472KHz
    vertical antennas and came across these articles.

    Http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/hifixaerial.html

    http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/reminiscences.html

    Hifix was a navigational aid on LF. It was the "jingle bells" noise on >Top-band. They were dotted around the coast. I found the disused
    installation at Corswall Point in Galloway a couple of years ago.

    It seems a contributor to uram Ian Jackson G3OHX has been here before
    and built copies of the antenna,

    It is a bit unusual in that not only is there a capacitive top hat, but >another one about halfway up.

    Ian points out it that it is not good for skywave ; an inverted L is
    better.

    I modelled the antenna as is and there is not much radiation upwards,
    The elevation angle is about 29 degrees on a typical real ground.

    The antenna impedance is about 2,5 -202j ohms and needs about 17uH to
    tune it. You need good grounding to get the efficiency up.

    The same antenna is 0,14 - 1200j on 472KHz, so the efficiency will
    really take a hit, It would actually be a pretty decent low angle
    antenna on 80m

    I removed the middle capacity hat and found it didn't have much
    effect, so a simplification is possible.

    Maybe Ian would like to comment on what he found.

    Brian GM4DIJ

    Not much to add, Brian - except that in my version of the Hifix aerial,
    I didn't use an earth. Instead, I used a single 'other half of the
    dipole' off-the-ground counterpoise wire. I only used it two or three
    times, using the mobile gear in my old Ford Prefect (parked at the base
    of the pole), with an ATU feeding the bottom of the pole against the counterpoise.

    My aerial was a 28' aluminium pole with a 12' whip on top - making
    around 40' vertical. The bottom of the pole was insulated from earth by standing it in a glass jamjar or a plastic bucket.

    There were four polypropylene guys from the top of the pole to four
    equally spaced pegs in the ground. The four 'top hat' wires were
    connected to the top of the whip, and ran to the same four pegs (with,
    of course, insulators on the end of each wire).

    The counterpoise wire ran from near the base of the pole out to one of
    the pegs, then continued to each peg in turn, around the bottom of the
    square. I'm not sure how long the counterpoise was, but if the pegs were
    (say) 20' from the pole, that would make it a total of around 132' (a
    160m quarterwave!).

    In case anyone is interested, here are a couple of links to photos from
    a 1965 DXpedition to Rutland, which show my car and my Hifix-type aerial (although you can make out very little of it).
    https://ibb.co/Kh33TCQ
    https://ibb.co/sRgBSJg

    As to why the real Hifix aerial had the half-way-up-the-pole top-hat
    wires, I suspect that they served no purpose other than being guys - and
    if they didn't really affect the electrical performance on 1.9MHz, there
    would be no reason to insulate them from the pole. BTW, at Seahouses, I
    recall that the original aerial was later replaced by one much taller
    (possibly 80' or 90').
    -- 1an

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  • From Brian Howie@21:1/5 to ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk on Fri Jan 15 20:44:38 2021
    In message <kRmXDfZohMAgFwef@brattleho.plus.com>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> writes
    In message <YEXtJ$JYB1$fFwNF@b-howie.co.uk>, Brian Howie ><brian@b-howie.co.uk> writes
    I was looking around the Internet for some ideas for Top-Band/472KHz >>vertical antennas and came across these articles.

    Http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/hifixaerial.html

    http://alancordwell.co.uk/Legacy/radionavigation/hifix/reminiscences.html

    Hifix was a navigational aid on LF. It was the "jingle bells" noise on Top- >>band. They were dotted around the coast. I found the disused
    installation at Corswall Point in Galloway a couple of years ago.

    It seems a contributor to uram Ian Jackson G3OHX has been here
    before and built copies of the antenna,

    It is a bit unusual in that not only is there a capacitive top hat, but >>another one about halfway up.

    Ian points out it that it is not good for skywave ; an inverted L is better. >>
    I modelled the antenna as is and there is not much radiation upwards,
    The elevation angle is about 29 degrees on a typical real ground.

    The antenna impedance is about 2,5 -202j ohms and needs about
    17uH to tune it. You need good grounding to get the efficiency up.

    The same antenna is 0,14 - 1200j on 472KHz, so the efficiency will
    really take a hit, It would actually be a pretty decent low angle antenna >>on 80m

    I removed the middle capacity hat and found it didn't have much effect,
    so a simplification is possible.

    Maybe Ian would like to comment on what he found.

    Brian GM4DIJ

    Not much to add, Brian - except that in my version of the Hifix aerial, I >didn't use an earth. Instead, I used a single 'other half of the dipole' off- >the-ground counterpoise wire. I only used it two or three times, using the >mobile gear in my old Ford Prefect (parked at the base of the pole), with
    an ATU feeding the bottom of the pole against the counterpoise.

    My aerial was a 28' aluminium pole with a 12' whip on top - making
    around 40' vertical. The bottom of the pole was insulated from earth by >standing it in a glass jamjar or a plastic bucket.

    There were four polypropylene guys from the top of the pole to four
    equally spaced pegs in the ground. The four 'top hat' wires were
    connected to the top of the whip, and ran to the same four pegs (with, of >course, insulators on the end of each wire).

    The counterpoise wire ran from near the base of the pole out to one of the >pegs, then continued to each peg in turn, around the bottom of the
    square. I'm not sure how long the counterpoise was, but if the pegs were >(say) 20' from the pole, that would make it a total of around 132' (a 160m >quarterwave!).

    In case anyone is interested, here are a couple of links to photos from a >1965 DXpedition to Rutland, which show my car and my Hifix-type aerial >(although you can make out very little of it).
    https://ibb.co/Kh33TCQ
    https://ibb.co/sRgBSJg

    As to why the real Hifix aerial had the half-way-up-the-pole top-hat wires, I >suspect that they served no purpose other than being guys - and if they >didn't really affect the electrical performance on 1.9MHz, there would be
    no reason to insulate them from the pole. BTW, at Seahouses, I recall
    that the original aerial was later replaced by one much taller (possibly 80' >or 90').
    -- 1an

    Thanks for the additional information and photos. I'll need to do some measurements in the garden to see what's feasible. I can't put up
    anything permanent there, so maybe some sort of light-weight portable arrangement. I'll need to run out some radials as well.

    I had a 5m vertical at one time using an aluminium pole and used a wine
    bottle as the insulator. This was too short, but I'd no capacity hat.

    Brian


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