• Electric car

    From Radio Man@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 6 20:01:30 2021
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    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 08:26:58 2021
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    Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote

    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those
    poofter electric cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Stupid having to plug the damned thing in every fucking night.

    Stupid price.

    Stupid not having decent heating in winter.

    Stupidly slow to recharge on long trips.

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Yep, so its worthless quite quickly.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Tue Sep 7 08:54:18 2021
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    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground
    and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
    Brian

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    Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Stupid having to plug the damned thing in every fucking night.
    Stupid price.
    Stupid not having decent heating in winter.
    Stupidly slow to recharge on long trips.
    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Yep, so its worthless quite quickly.

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 08:15:42 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?


    You need a smart meter to charge at a sensible price?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Who knows. They may last longer than me...
    .... plus side you don't have to worry about E10 petrol , or whatever E
    number they come up with

    D.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to David Wade on Tue Sep 7 08:59:18 2021
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    On 07/09/2021 08:15, David Wade wrote:
    On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter
    electric cars. What are the arguments against it?


    You need a smart meter to charge at a sensible price?

    You need a divorce. It will work out cheaper in the long run.



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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 09:03:22 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.

    And you think there is actually going to be a cheap overnight rate in
    the future with everyone changing their cars? I'm sure that the energy companies would welcome with open arm anyone willing to spend £10k on batteries to help cope with the grid's peak demands.


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 09:07:54 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 09:03, alan_m wrote:
    On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    And the materials  used in the current batteries are dug out of the
    ground
    and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
    song
    else soon.  I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a
    charging
    circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate
    offered and
    then run the house during the day from the battery?
      That would put the  energy companies noses out of joint.

    And you think there is actually going to be a cheap overnight rate in
    the future with everyone changing their cars?  I'm sure that the energy companies would welcome with open arm anyone willing to spend £10k on batteries to help cope with the grid's peak demands.


    +1.


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  • From tim...@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 09:30:54 2021
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    "Radio Man" <inva1id@inv.com> wrote in message news:sh5oil$9ks$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    that you can't afford it



    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Not in any way noticeable by someone prepared to pay 30 grand for an (otherwise) 10K run-around

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 08:36:20 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote:
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?


    For God’s sake don’t tell her that with a smart meter and charging 4 hours overnight at 5p/kWhr, I’ve paid a whopping £220 for 16,000 miles of
    driving. That’s sure to put her off…

    Tim

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Tue Sep 7 20:24:12 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground
    and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
    song else soon.

    No chance.

    I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and
    an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run
    the house during the day from the battery?

    Corse you can, plenty of the stupids have been doing that.

    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.

    Nope, they tell you that there is no cheap overnight charging rate anymore

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Stupid having to plug the damned thing in every fucking night.
    Stupid price.
    Stupid not having decent heating in winter.
    Stupidly slow to recharge on long trips.
    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Yep, so its worthless quite quickly.



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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 11:56:57 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:

    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    Make sure the range is as short as possible. That's why women were
    supplied with electric cars around 1900: to stop them from straying to far.

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 12:31:36 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:01:30 +0100, Radio Man wrote:

    What are the arguments against it?

    There are many, three are:

    1) risk of self-combustion which is worse than petrol/diesel/LNG

    2) lugging the whole battery mass around instead of reducing mass with
    usage as with petrol/diesel/LNG

    3) Having your car be part of an unofficial grid energy storage scheme
    where you come back to it to find it has discharged rather than charged.
    This is part of the plan for the fact that the grid is unable to supply
    the needs of millions of EVs.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 14:25:56 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:24:12 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>


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  • From newshound@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 14:21:22 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 09:03, alan_m wrote:
    On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    And the materials  used in the current batteries are dug out of the
    ground
    and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
    song
    else soon.  I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a
    charging
    circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate
    offered and
    then run the house during the day from the battery?
      That would put the  energy companies noses out of joint.

    And you think there is actually going to be a cheap overnight rate in
    the future with everyone changing their cars?  I'm sure that the energy companies would welcome with open arm anyone willing to spend £10k on batteries to help cope with the grid's peak demands.


    The market is already rigged to make fashionable ideas economic. The way
    things are going I can certainly see a time where plugged in cars might
    become part of the stability mechanism.

    Interesting article here

    https://watt-logic.com/2021/09/05/developing-smart-energy-markets-for-suppliers-and-consumers/

    about how Ofgem are beginning to recognise that the "social" stuff that
    has been loaded on to suppliers is having unexpected consequences.
    Surprise, surprise.

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  • From Michael Chare@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Tue Sep 7 18:52:34 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
    cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    8 years is the number I remember, though I would expect the cpacity to
    decline over several years rather than suddenly become zero.

    I hope that my next car can use HVO (Hydro treated Vegetable Oil.)


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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Tue Sep 7 19:05:02 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:54:18 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground >and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song >else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging >circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and >then run the house during the day from the battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
    Brian

    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles. I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.
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  • From Steve Walker@21:1/5 to Michael Chare on Tue Sep 7 19:38:29 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 18:52, Michael Chare wrote:
    On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
    The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter
    electric cars. What are the arguments against it?

    Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?

    8 years is the number I remember, though I would expect the cpacity to decline over several years rather than suddenly become zero.

    At least some of the EVs have a management system that monitors how
    often you fast charge. Do it too often and the facility is temporarily disabled, to preserve the life of the battery just enough to ensure that
    it gets past the battery warranty period.

    Woe betide anyone buying such a car second-hand, not knowing that the manufacturer has protected themselves from warranty claims, but in doing
    so, has dramatically increased the chances of failure for the next
    owner, by ensuring that the battery has been run as close as possible to likelihood of imminent failure, while not reaching it while the
    manufacturer was still liable.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to newshound on Tue Sep 7 19:16:00 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 14:21, newshound wrote:

    about how Ofgem are beginning to recognise that the "social" stuff that
    has been loaded on to suppliers is having unexpected consequences.
    Surprise, surprise.

    It also suggests that the UK education system is somewaht lacking :)

    "17 million adults – representing 49% of the working age population –
    have the numeracy skills expected of a primary school child"


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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue Sep 7 20:09:08 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:54:18 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground >> and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song >> else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging >> circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and >> then run the house during the day from the battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
    Brian

    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles. I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.

    Have you seen the cost-reduction curve on Lithium batteries ?

    Someone has been pocketing the savings.

    The batteries are being improved, while you're
    sitting there in your chair. Lithium batteries
    have not been standing still. They have been getting
    better with time.

    Tesla bought the company that makes Ultracaps, and
    bought them for only one reason. Their "dry process"
    patent. This allows Lithium batteries to be made without
    "drying ovens", which were a major energy consumer during
    battery manufacture.

    And it's not all Lithium Cobalt either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery

    "This makes fast recharging possible and
    provides high currents when needed."

    "Proterra, in its all-electric EcoRide BE35 lightweight 35-foot bus"

    The Proterra bus, the idea is, it drives for an hour. A
    pantograph connects the bus roof to a power source, and
    the bus charges at its depot for ten minutes. Then does
    another hour-long run. This allows the bus to do a
    22-hour service day. The ten minute charge does not
    count as a full charge cycle, so there is some
    multiplier involved there.

    That bus is being trialled here. They are sampling several
    buses and it's one of the candidates.

    This solves the pattern one of the competitors had, where
    the other bus only "worked" for a four hour pattern or
    so. The service pattern did not seem conducive to running
    the buses all day long, like the current diesels handle
    without a problem.

    The bus technology won't be going to cars, because the
    number of cells required would likely leave little
    room for cargo inside a car. It's not that this technology
    is a replacement for Lithium Cobalt. It's an example of
    designing an alternate, that makes bus schedules possible.
    The bus in question, isn't all that large, so would not
    be an exact replacement for a bus that is on the road
    right now.

    What it would do for cars, is allow fast charging every
    time you charged it. Versus the "limited" fast charging
    offered now. Lithium Cobalt still has it beat on
    energy density.

    Paul

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Sep 8 12:57:51 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
    Cursitor Doom wrote
    Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote

    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the
    ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium >>> with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery,
    and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight
    charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the
    battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.

    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles. I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.

    Have you seen the cost-reduction curve on Lithium batteries ?

    Someone has been pocketing the savings.

    Nope, china is making them cheaper. Solar panels too.

    The batteries are being improved, while you're
    sitting there in your chair. Lithium batteries
    have not been standing still. They have been getting
    better with time.

    Tesla bought the company that makes Ultracaps, and
    bought them for only one reason. Their "dry process"
    patent. This allows Lithium batteries to be made without
    "drying ovens", which were a major energy consumer during
    battery manufacture.

    And it's not all Lithium Cobalt either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery

    "This makes fast recharging possible and
    provides high currents when needed."

    "Proterra, in its all-electric EcoRide BE35 lightweight 35-foot bus"

    The Proterra bus, the idea is, it drives for an hour. A
    pantograph connects the bus roof to a power source, and
    the bus charges at its depot for ten minutes. Then does
    another hour-long run. This allows the bus to do a
    22-hour service day. The ten minute charge does not
    count as a full charge cycle, so there is some
    multiplier involved there.

    That bus is being trialled here. They are sampling several
    buses and it's one of the candidates.

    This solves the pattern one of the competitors had, where
    the other bus only "worked" for a four hour pattern or
    so. The service pattern did not seem conducive to running
    the buses all day long, like the current diesels handle
    without a problem.

    The bus technology won't be going to cars, because the
    number of cells required would likely leave little
    room for cargo inside a car. It's not that this technology
    is a replacement for Lithium Cobalt. It's an example of
    designing an alternate, that makes bus schedules possible.
    The bus in question, isn't all that large, so would not
    be an exact replacement for a bus that is on the road
    right now.

    What it would do for cars, is allow fast charging every
    time you charged it. Versus the "limited" fast charging
    offered now. Lithium Cobalt still has it beat on
    energy density.

    Paul

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed Sep 8 07:42:06 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 19:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles.

    Its not heavy current that is te iussue

    Its that extended use bit, range

    I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we

    There IS no alternative

    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.

    There will be no second generation of chemical battery cars

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 8 07:42:47 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 19:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 07/09/2021 14:21, newshound wrote:

    about how Ofgem are beginning to recognise that the "social" stuff
    that has been loaded on to suppliers is having unexpected
    consequences. Surprise, surprise.

    It also suggests that the UK education system is somewaht lacking :)

    "17 million adults – representing 49% of the working age population – have the numeracy skills expected of a primary school child"


    No wonder they voted to stay in the EU


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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 8 10:47:24 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:57:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the usual trollshit unread>

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Wed Sep 8 10:56:48 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 08/09/2021 03:57, Rod Speed wrote:

    Nope, china is making them cheaper.

    And with 4x the capacity per volume unit than its western competitors -
    or so the labels on the batteries say :) :)


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  • From newshound@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Sep 8 20:43:13 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 08/09/2021 07:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 07/09/2021 19:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles.

    Its not heavy current that is te iussue

    Its that extended use bit, range

    I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we

    There IS no alternative

    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.

    There will be no second generation of chemical battery cars

    Chatting to my very well informed mechanic in the boozer yesterday, we
    reckoned that Lithium Ion might be close to its theoretical capacity but
    that nanotechnology would still be improving supercapacitors for a while
    yet. He thought we might see cars with both: supercapacitors for rapid charging, but lithium ion as the main store.

    In the long term, for HGVs, we reckoned there would be some form of
    "highway charging" on motorways, interstates, etc.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 8 21:41:54 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    In article <OJidncu2F4vOj6T8nZ2dnUU78UXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
    newshound <newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> scribeth thus
    On 08/09/2021 07:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 07/09/2021 19:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
    a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
    such as vehicles.

    Its not heavy current that is te iussue

    Its that extended use bit, range

    I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we

    There IS no alternative

    can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
    recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
    time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
    this first generation of electric cars.

    There will be no second generation of chemical battery cars

    Chatting to my very well informed mechanic in the boozer yesterday, we >reckoned that Lithium Ion might be close to its theoretical capacity but
    that nanotechnology would still be improving supercapacitors for a while
    yet. He thought we might see cars with both: supercapacitors for rapid >charging, but lithium ion as the main store.

    In the long term, for HGVs, we reckoned there would be some form of
    "highway charging" on motorways, interstates, etc.

    Yep!

    Now all we have to do is get the prime power generation on the go so
    more Coal stations;)....

    Sorted!...
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 10 16:58:57 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the battery?
    That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
    Brian

    Tesla will do you one for £8,300. That gets you 13.5 kilowatt hours.

    <https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/powerwall/design>

    I know someone who has one. And solar panels. And an electric car...

    Andy

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