The missus is getting green and now wants one of those
poofter electric cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Stupid having to plug the damned thing in every fucking night.
Stupid price.
Stupid not having decent heating in winter.
Stupidly slow to recharge on long trips.
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
Yep, so its worthless quite quickly.
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter
electric cars. What are the arguments against it?
You need a smart meter to charge at a sensible price?
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the
ground
and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
song
else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a
charging
circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate
offered and
then run the house during the day from the battery?
 That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
And you think there is actually going to be a cheap overnight rate in
the future with everyone changing their cars? I'm sure that the energy companies would welcome with open arm anyone willing to spend £10k on batteries to help cope with the grid's peak demands.
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground
and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
song else soon.
I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and
an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run
the house during the day from the battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Radio Man <inva1id@inv.com> wrote
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Stupid having to plug the damned thing in every fucking night.
Stupid price.
Stupid not having decent heating in winter.
Stupidly slow to recharge on long trips.
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
Yep, so its worthless quite quickly.
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
What are the arguments against it?
On 07/09/2021 08:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the
ground
and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with
song
else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a
charging
circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate
offered and
then run the house during the day from the battery?
 That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
And you think there is actually going to be a cheap overnight rate in
the future with everyone changing their cars? I'm sure that the energy companies would welcome with open arm anyone willing to spend £10k on batteries to help cope with the grid's peak demands.
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter electric
cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground >and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song >else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging >circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and >then run the house during the day from the battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
Brian
On 06/09/2021 20:01, Radio Man wrote:
The missus is getting green and now wants one of those poofter
electric cars. What are the arguments against it?
Don't the batteries pack up after a few years?
8 years is the number I remember, though I would expect the cpacity to decline over several years rather than suddenly become zero.
about how Ofgem are beginning to recognise that the "social" stuff that
has been loaded on to suppliers is having unexpected consequences.
Surprise, surprise.
On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:54:18 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground >> and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song >> else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging >> circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and >> then run the house during the day from the battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
Brian
Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
such as vehicles. I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
this first generation of electric cars.
Cursitor Doom wrote
Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the
ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium >>> with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery,
and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight
charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the
battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
such as vehicles. I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
this first generation of electric cars.
Have you seen the cost-reduction curve on Lithium batteries ?
Someone has been pocketing the savings.
The batteries are being improved, while you're
sitting there in your chair. Lithium batteries
have not been standing still. They have been getting
better with time.
Tesla bought the company that makes Ultracaps, and
bought them for only one reason. Their "dry process"
patent. This allows Lithium batteries to be made without
"drying ovens", which were a major energy consumer during
battery manufacture.
And it's not all Lithium Cobalt either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery
"This makes fast recharging possible and
provides high currents when needed."
"Proterra, in its all-electric EcoRide BE35 lightweight 35-foot bus"
The Proterra bus, the idea is, it drives for an hour. A
pantograph connects the bus roof to a power source, and
the bus charges at its depot for ten minutes. Then does
another hour-long run. This allows the bus to do a
22-hour service day. The ten minute charge does not
count as a full charge cycle, so there is some
multiplier involved there.
That bus is being trialled here. They are sampling several
buses and it's one of the candidates.
This solves the pattern one of the competitors had, where
the other bus only "worked" for a four hour pattern or
so. The service pattern did not seem conducive to running
the buses all day long, like the current diesels handle
without a problem.
The bus technology won't be going to cars, because the
number of cells required would likely leave little
room for cargo inside a car. It's not that this technology
is a replacement for Lithium Cobalt. It's an example of
designing an alternate, that makes bus schedules possible.
The bus in question, isn't all that large, so would not
be an exact replacement for a bus that is on the road
right now.
What it would do for cars, is allow fast charging every
time you charged it. Versus the "limited" fast charging
offered now. Lithium Cobalt still has it beat on
energy density.
Paul
Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
such as vehicles.
I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
this first generation of electric cars.
On 07/09/2021 14:21, newshound wrote:
about how Ofgem are beginning to recognise that the "social" stuff
that has been loaded on to suppliers is having unexpected
consequences. Surprise, surprise.
It also suggests that the UK education system is somewaht lacking :)
"17 million adults – representing 49% of the working age population – have the numeracy skills expected of a primary school child"
Nope, china is making them cheaper.
On 07/09/2021 19:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
such as vehicles.
Its not heavy current that is te iussue
Its that extended use bit, range
I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
There IS no alternative
can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
this first generation of electric cars.
There will be no second generation of chemical battery cars
On 08/09/2021 07:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2021 19:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:Chatting to my very well informed mechanic in the boozer yesterday, we >reckoned that Lithium Ion might be close to its theoretical capacity but
Quite right, Brain. Lithium technology needs to be dumped; it's really
a non-starter for extended use in heavy current-demand applications
such as vehicles.
Its not heavy current that is te iussue
Its that extended use bit, range
I'd wait until the alternative is implemented and we
There IS no alternative
can forget all about the nightmare of range anxiety and finding a
recharge source when out on a long run far from home. In ten years
time, we'll laugh in disbelief at the wretchedly poor capabilities of
this first generation of electric cars.
There will be no second generation of chemical battery cars
that nanotechnology would still be improving supercapacitors for a while
yet. He thought we might see cars with both: supercapacitors for rapid >charging, but lithium ion as the main store.
In the long term, for HGVs, we reckoned there would be some form of
"highway charging" on motorways, interstates, etc.
And the materials used in the current batteries are dug out of the ground and rare and expensive. I think they are going to replace Lithium with song else soon. I did wonder if you could just buy the battery, and a charging circuit and an inverter, go on the cheap overnight charging rate offered and then run the house during the day from the battery?
That would put the energy companies noses out of joint.
Brian
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