• Medway Council.

    From Radio Man@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 08:36:41 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

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  • From Julian Macassey@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Fri May 5 09:12:26 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    Dear gutless coward, we don't give a fuck.

    --
    Sous-vide is little more than boil-in-the-bag with a physics
    degree. - Bob Granleese, Guardian 3 May 2019

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Fri May 5 11:14:01 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 13:10:46 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.


    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Fri May 5 12:33:26 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

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  • From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to Radio Man on Fri May 5 14:18:14 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5/5/2023 9:36 AM, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.
    totly

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri May 5 15:58:16 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that good a result for them.


    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls. So, it doesn't look to be a question of whether Labour will win
    the next general election but by how much.


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Fri May 5 15:05:33 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5 May 2023 at 16:04:17 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.

    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    And it is just a possiblity that the original "Radio Man" post was a parody rather than an expression of opinion.

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 14:48:32 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than
    they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will
    be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that good
    a result for them.

    --
    Spike

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Fri May 5 15:04:17 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.

    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri May 5 16:47:12 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 16:35, Andrew wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than
    they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will >> be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that
    good
    a result for them.


    The only people who vote in local elections are activists,
    twitterati, nutters, and virtually no-one under 35.

    I was almost tempted, just for the novelty of having to provide photo ID.



    What was the turnout ?. (much) Less than 40% ?

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri May 5 16:35:35 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that good a result for them.


    The only people who vote in local elections are activists,
    twitterati, nutters, and virtually no-one under 35.

    What was the turnout ?. (much) Less than 40% ?

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Fri May 5 16:38:49 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 14:10, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.



    By far the largest group sent the message "we don't care who
    wins" by simply not bothering to vote.

    Quite a few fell foul of the new ID card requirement (but
    a surprising number of people turn up at French Border Force
    at Kings Cross intending to get the Eurostar without a
    passport).

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 15:30:59 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Am 05/05/2023 um 15:05 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 5 May 2023 at 16:04:17 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
    <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.

    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    And it is just a possiblity that the original "Radio Man" post was a parody rather than an expression of opinion.


    So what have I missed? I know, I'm a bloody foreigner but I can use
    Googel Trans-Layter while cooking my beans.



    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to roger@hayter.org on Fri May 5 17:25:14 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    In message <kbkk9tFu8bdU1@mid.individual.net>, Roger Hayter
    <roger@hayter.org> writes
    On 5 May 2023 at 16:04:17 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
    <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites.

    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    And it is just a possiblity that the original "Radio Man" post was a parody >rather than an expression of opinion.



    An illustration of Poe's Law

    B

    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Fri May 5 17:14:17 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5 May 2023 at 16:30:59 BST, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 15:05 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 5 May 2023 at 16:04:17 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
    <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web sites. >>>
    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    And it is just a possiblity that the original "Radio Man" post was a parody >> rather than an expression of opinion.


    So what have I missed? I know, I'm a bloody foreigner but I can use
    Googel Trans-Layter while cooking my beans.

    The Will of the People was a sarcastic comment that what's good for the goose is good for the gander - bigoted old brexiteers have to accept a Labour win in the election the same way as they kept saying Brexit was the "WotP". The original Radioman was Reay, a noted crypto-fascist. But this, different, Radio Man was parodying his views about the Labour Party. You don't need to be a native English speaker, but having read ukra for a quarter of a century helps!

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 17:19:15 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than
    they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will >> be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that good >> a result for them.


    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls. So, it doesn't look to be a question of whether Labour will win
    the next general election but by how much.

    You might be interested in the analysis provided by Prof John Curtis of Strathclyde University on the BBC R4 PM programme today (starting about 17:06:20) in which he says that if these results were translated to a
    General Election, Labour would be 20 seats short of a majority (at
    17:08:50).

    --
    Spike

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  • From Bernie@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Fri May 5 18:30:38 2023
    On 5 May 2023 17:14:17 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 5 May 2023 at 16:30:59 BST, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 15:05 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 5 May 2023 at 16:04:17 BST, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org>
    wrote:
    On 5 May 2023 at 14:10:46 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
    <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 05/05/2023 um 12:33 schrieb Jethro_uk:
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 +0000, Radio Man wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers,
    asylum seekers over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    How dare you object to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

    Dare I ask some context? Not everybody is on right wing dark web
    sites.

    I dare say you may have missed an element of sarcasm here.

    And it is just a possiblity that the original "Radio Man" post was
    a parody rather than an expression of opinion.


    So what have I missed? I know, I'm a bloody foreigner but I can use
    Googel Trans-Layter while cooking my beans.

    The Will of the People was a sarcastic comment that what's good for
    the goose is good for the gander - bigoted old brexiteers have to
    accept a Labour win in the election the same way as they kept saying
    Brexit was the "WotP". The original Radioman was Reay, a noted crypto-fascist. But this, different, Radio Man was parodying his
    views about the Labour Party. You don't need to be a native English
    speaker, but having read ukra for a quarter of a century helps!


    FWIW the genuine small-minded Kentish clown is busy trying to butter a
    bean on d-i-y; let's hope The Station Manager doesn't find out about
    that.

    Nice paratrepsis from the Blue-breasted Lesser-spotted Burt, though.
    Lovely bit of flapping.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri May 5 18:45:41 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 18:19, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.

    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly than >>> they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it will >>> be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that good
    a result for them.


    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls. So, it doesn't look to be a question of whether Labour will win
    the next general election but by how much.

    You might be interested in the analysis provided by Prof John Curtis of Strathclyde University on the BBC R4 PM programme today (starting about 17:06:20) in which he says that if these results were translated to a
    General Election, Labour would be 20 seats short of a majority (at
    17:08:50).


    If the local elections were reflected in the next general election,
    something that never actually happens, the LibDems would get 20% of the
    vote.


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 18:17:44 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Fri May 5 18:48:17 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 18:46:23 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on this scale, Labour is not doing well.

    --
    Spike

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 19:16:08 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 5 May 2023 18:48:17 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in
    the polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever
    they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will
    win.


    We'll see won't we, the margin of error is only applicable to current conditions, if the percentages shift then who knows.

    I'll be looking forward to spoiling my ballot in any case.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk on Sat May 6 05:14:02 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 00:58:16 +1000, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 15:48, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 09:36, Radio Man wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum
    seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    You probably won't like the results of the next General Election then.
    Going by the results to hand, the Conservatives have done less badly
    than
    they feared, and Labour hasn’t done as well as expected. Although it
    will
    be dressed up as a victory for the latter party, it really isn’t that
    good
    a result for them.


    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls.

    The polls didnt predict the most recent GE landslide.

    So, it doesn't look to be a question of whether Labour will win the next general election but by how much.

    We'll see...

    And it wouldnt be suprising if stupid voters binned
    the govt that happened to be the govt when inflation
    spiked, even when that was not produced by the govt.

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  • From Bernie@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri May 5 20:29:23 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5 May 2023 18:46:23 GMT
    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in
    the polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever
    they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they
    will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have
    not made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a
    past-the-mid-term vote on this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    Cobblers, Burt.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri May 5 21:48:58 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the
    polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Rambo@21:1/5 to no.spam@thank.you.invalid on Fri May 5 23:10:13 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man
    <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.
    Bit Strange.... dtd you not claim to live in Derbyshire?

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 22:56:09 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 5 May 2023 at 23:45:40 BST, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 23:26, Brian wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they >>>>>> actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>>>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not >>>> made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.



    Where do you suggest bookies get their ‘special information’ from to base
    their calculations from?

    I’ve no particular faith in polls, even less in pundits / political
    ‘experts’ etc, which is where the predictions the Media publish come from
    but what makes you think bookies have a special source?

    I didn't claim they do. However, it is their business to know how to calculate odds and they do so dispassionately. They can get it wrong,
    but wouldn't stay in business if they made a habit of it.

    Labour didn’t so much win the seats yesterday as the faux conservatives
    lost them - it wasn’t a vote of confidence in Labour - they just aren’t >> Sunak who is destroying the economy.

    Had Reform got their act together, the results would have been very
    different.

    They have been given slightly better odds of winning than the LibDems
    100/1 v 120/1

    Is not a major factor in a bookie's odds the money going on the various possibilities? I suspect a crowd-sourced assessment is as likely to be right
    as any prediction method.

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Brian on Fri May 5 23:45:40 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 05/05/2023 23:26, Brian wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they >>>>> actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not >>> made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on >>> this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.



    Where do you suggest bookies get their ‘special information’ from to base their calculations from?

    I’ve no particular faith in polls, even less in pundits / political ‘experts’ etc, which is where the predictions the Media publish come from
    but what makes you think bookies have a special source?

    I didn't claim they do. However, it is their business to know how to
    calculate odds and they do so dispassionately. They can get it wrong,
    but wouldn't stay in business if they made a habit of it.

    Labour didn’t so much win the seats yesterday as the faux conservatives lost them - it wasn’t a vote of confidence in Labour - they just aren’t Sunak who is destroying the economy.

    Had Reform got their act together, the results would have been very different.

    They have been given slightly better odds of winning than the LibDems
    100/1 v 120/1

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri May 5 22:26:30 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on >> this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.



    Where do you suggest bookies get their ‘special information’ from to base their calculations from?

    I’ve no particular faith in polls, even less in pundits / political ‘experts’ etc, which is where the predictions the Media publish come from but what makes you think bookies have a special source?


    Labour didn’t so much win the seats yesterday as the faux conservatives
    lost them - it wasn’t a vote of confidence in Labour - they just aren’t Sunak who is destroying the economy.

    Had Reform got their act together, the results would have been very
    different.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk on Sat May 6 08:57:03 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 06:48:58 +1000, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.
    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have
    not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term
    vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.

    But the bookies have fucked up spectacularly before and
    the odds change radically as election day approaches.

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  • From Radio Man@21:1/5 to Rambo on Fri May 5 22:33:44 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 23:10:13 +0100, Rambo wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.
    Bit Strange.... dtd you not claim to live in Derbyshire?

    You silly cunt.

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  • From Rambo@21:1/5 to no.spam@thank.you.invalid on Sat May 6 00:03:25 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 22:33:44 GMT, Radio Man
    <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 23:10:13 +0100, Rambo wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
    wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.
    Bit Strange.... dtd you not claim to live in Derbyshire?

    You silly cunt.

    You are Brian Reay M3OSN, AICMFP.

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to Rambo on Fri May 5 23:40:24 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 6 May 2023 at 00:03:25 BST, "Rambo" <Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 22:33:44 GMT, Radio Man
    <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 23:10:13 +0100, Rambo wrote:

    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
    wrote:

    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers >>>> over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.
    Bit Strange.... dtd you not claim to live in Derbyshire?

    You silly cunt.

    You are Brian Reay M3OSN, AICMFP.

    Actually I'll think you'll find it was Father Christmas. It's more his style.
    Close, but no cigar, as they say.

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Sat May 6 05:14:08 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 23:26, Brian wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they >>>>>> actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>>>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not >>>> made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.



    Where do you suggest bookies get their ‘special information’ from to base
    their calculations from?

    I’ve no particular faith in polls, even less in pundits / political
    ‘experts’ etc, which is where the predictions the Media publish come from
    but what makes you think bookies have a special source?

    I didn't claim they do. However, it is their business to know how to calculate odds and they do so dispassionately. They can get it wrong,
    but wouldn't stay in business if they made a habit of it.


    In simple terms, there are two elements to arriving at the odds bookies
    use. The base information used to base the calculation on and the
    calculation. The latter is, essentially, deterministic. Keep putting the
    same data in and you will get the same answer.

    The problem is the first part- collecting voting intentions, allowing for
    last minute changes, people giving misleading answers, voting fraud, …….

    I don’t doubt the bookies aim is to make money- that is something I taught
    my pupils, along with being skeptical of statistics used by politicians and
    the media ( much to the amusement of an Ofsted inspector ! ) but that
    doesn’t change the integrity of the base data.

    Odds are perhaps the crudest of mathematical models - garbage in, garbage
    out, just as any other model.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Sat May 6 07:35:19 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on >> this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.

    The analysis this morning on BBC R4 Today programme was that if Labour want
    to form the next government, they have (quote) ‘an absolute mountain to climb’ (unquote).

    And that’s from the pro-socialist BBC.

    --
    Spike

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  • From Joe@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sat May 6 09:48:17 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 08:57:03 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 06:48:58 +1000, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives
    in the polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever
    they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour
    have not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a
    past-the-mid-term vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a
    Conservative win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that
    the bookies don't plan to make a loss.

    But the bookies have fucked up spectacularly before and
    the odds change radically as election day approaches.

    "A week is a long time in politics."

    --
    Joe

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Spike on Sat May 6 09:29:34 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they >>>>> actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not >>> made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on >>> this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.

    The analysis this morning on BBC R4 Today programme was that if Labour want to form the next government, they have (quote) ‘an absolute mountain to climb’ (unquote).

    And that’s from the pro-socialist BBC.


    While the faux conservatives have variously failed to prevent the insidious ‘growth’ of things like drag artists going into schools, address extremism, etc the Left actively support it. I fully support teaching tolerance - be
    it for race, religion, gender, orientation …. but there is a difference between teaching tolerance and promoting - let alone convincing
    impressionable youngsters there is a magical solution to their normal
    problems by changing gender.

    That is before we even consider the economy. Boris & Sunak really screwed
    the economy - not to mention sabotaging BREXIT ( remember, Boris was a Remainer, he changed sides when he realised the way the vote would go).
    But, Labour always screw up. They closed more coal mines, cut more
    railways, more school milk, tax burden is always higher. Labour introduced tuition fees, wrecked the University system, ……..George Brown raided pensions.

    It is the drift to the left which has wreck the conservatives, it has been
    down hill since the Great Mrs Thatcher was betrayed.


    The results on Thursday show people wanted to send Sunak a message, not
    that they like Labour.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Joe on Sat May 6 19:23:30 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 18:48:17 +1000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 08:57:03 +1000
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 06:48:58 +1000, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives
    in the polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever
    they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour
    have not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a
    past-the-mid-term vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a
    Conservative win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that
    the bookies don't plan to make a loss.

    But the bookies have fucked up spectacularly before and
    the odds change radically as election day approaches.

    "A week is a long time in politics."

    That's overstated with who is going to win the next GE

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Julian Macassey on Sat May 6 10:41:04 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Yeah, move if he has an issue.
    Brian

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    Note this Signature is meaningless.!
    "Julian Macassey" <julian@n6are.com> wrote in message news:slrnu59i3q.ogfb.julian@n6are.com...
    On Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:41 GMT, Radio Man <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
    Gone to the party that prioritises wokeism over workers, asylum seekers
    over services, and poofs over potholes.

    We're doomed.

    Dear gutless coward, we don't give a fuck.

    --
    Sous-vide is little more than boil-in-the-bag with a physics
    degree. - Bob Granleese, Guardian 3 May 2019

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to Brian on Sat May 6 10:23:53 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 6 May 2023 at 10:29:34 BST, "Brian" <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in the >>>>>>> polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever they >>>>>> actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a question >>>>> of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have not >>>> made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.

    The analysis this morning on BBC R4 Today programme was that if Labour want >> to form the next government, they have (quote) ‘an absolute mountain to
    climb’ (unquote).

    And that’s from the pro-socialist BBC.


    While the faux conservatives have variously failed to prevent the insidious ‘growth’ of things like drag artists going into schools, address extremism,
    etc the Left actively support it. I fully support teaching tolerance - be
    it for race, religion, gender, orientation …. but there is a difference between teaching tolerance and promoting - let alone convincing impressionable youngsters there is a magical solution to their normal problems by changing gender.

    I can't say I really see the appeal of drag myself, but I thought the whole point of drag artistes is that they *didn't* change gender. They keep their male gender while performing a sort of parody of femaleness. So I don't see
    how they promote gender change so much as show that men can perform a female pastiche if they want to without changing gender!

    (snip rather different issue)

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Bernie@21:1/5 to Brian on Sat May 6 18:01:24 2023
    On Sat, 6 May 2023 09:29:34 -0000 (UTC)
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives
    in the polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying
    whatever they actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they
    will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour
    have not made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a
    past-the-mid-term vote on this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a
    Conservative win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that
    the bookies don't plan to make a loss.

    The analysis this morning on BBC R4 Today programme was that if
    Labour want to form the next government, they have (quote) ‘an
    absolute mountain to climb’ (unquote).

    And that’s from the pro-socialist BBC.


    While the faux conservatives have variously failed to prevent the
    insidious ‘growth’ of things like drag artists going into schools, address extremism, etc the Left actively support it. I fully support
    teaching tolerance - be it for race, religion, gender, orientation ….
    but there is a difference between teaching tolerance and promoting -
    let alone convincing impressionable youngsters there is a magical
    solution to their normal problems by changing gender.

    That is before we even consider the economy. Boris & Sunak really
    screwed the economy - not to mention sabotaging BREXIT ( remember,
    Boris was a Remainer, he changed sides when he realised the way the
    vote would go). But, Labour always screw up. They closed more coal
    mines, cut more railways, more school milk, tax burden is always
    higher. Labour introduced tuition fees, wrecked the University
    system, ……..George Brown raided pensions.

    It is the drift to the left which has wreck the conservatives, it has
    been down hill since the Great Mrs Thatcher was betrayed.


    The results on Thursday show people wanted to send Sunak a message,
    not that they like Labour.


    Are you parodying yourself, Bri?

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Brian on Sun May 7 02:51:23 2023
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 19:29:34 +1000, Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 19:46, Spike wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 05/05/2023 18:17, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 5 May 2023 15:58:16 +0100
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    However, Labour is around 15 points ahead of the Conservatives in >>>>>>> the
    polls.

    And you believe these polls why? Especially in applying whatever
    they
    actually have measured to a putative GE result.


    Because the margin of error is large enough for it only to be a
    question
    of how much Labour is going to win by, not whether they will win.

    A Labour win at the next GE seems unlikely at present, as Labour have
    not
    made a sufficient advance to indicate that. For a past-the-mid-term
    vote on
    this scale, Labour is not doing well.


    The bookies are offering 1/4 for a Labour win, 18/5 for a Conservative
    win. If you don't trust the polls, you can trust that the bookies don't
    plan to make a loss.

    The analysis this morning on BBC R4 Today programme was that if Labour
    want
    to form the next government, they have (quote) ‘an absolute mountain to
    climb’ (unquote).

    And that’s from the pro-socialist BBC.


    While the faux conservatives have variously failed to prevent the
    insidious
    ‘growth’ of things like drag artists going into schools, address extremism,
    etc the Left actively support it. I fully support teaching tolerance - be
    it for race, religion, gender, orientation …. but there is a difference between teaching tolerance and promoting - let alone convincing impressionable youngsters there is a magical solution to their normal problems by changing gender.

    That is before we even consider the economy. Boris & Sunak really screwed
    the economy -

    Nope, covid and the invasion of the Ukraine did.

    not to mention sabotaging BREXIT ( remember, Boris was a
    Remainer, he changed sides when he realised the way the vote would go).
    But, Labour always screw up. They closed more coal mines, cut more
    railways, more school milk, tax burden is always higher. Labour
    introduced
    tuition fees, wrecked the University system, ……..George Brown raided pensions.

    It is the drift to the left which has wreck the conservatives, it has
    been
    down hill since the Great Mrs Thatcher was betrayed.

    She blew both feet right off with her stupid poll tax.

    The results on Thursday show people wanted to send Sunak a message,

    Bullshit.

    not
    that they like Labour.

    True.

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