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    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:54:20 2023
    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented; that
    leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already enough
    on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.


    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From A. non Eyemouse@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Jan 26 19:27:20 2023
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:54:20 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    Don't bother scrolling down and reading my comments then.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.


    How much time do you spend on the air listening to it? What speed are
    you at? Once you can listen and copy stuff down there is more incentive
    to learn the sending side. Are you a native English speaker or do you
    speak other languages?

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic
    or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented;

    Jim doesn't do CW, nor does Brian but I believe brian may still do occasionally.

    that leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    A bunch or brass-pounders.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already
    enough on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk
    about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    Since the Morse requirement was dropped, there's no incentive to pass a
    12wpm test to get on HF. There were regular slow Morse transmissions on-air
    for learners. Some people dropped it as soon as the got their licence,
    others saw it as a useful skill/mode and carried on using it.

    Joined the G-QRP club yet? Six quid a year, 4 excellent issues of
    SPRAT and a closed mailing list with discussions on CW. Have a listen
    around the QRP centres of activity 3,560 and 7,030.



    --
    Mouse.
    Where Morse meets House.

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Jan 26 20:25:01 2023
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented; that
    leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already enough
    on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    There is still the RSGB Morse Proficiency Scheme.

    I’m not sure who runs it these days - I set it up 10+ years ago under the ARDC but have lost track since.

    You could try asking on RSGBForum ( GroupsIO). It is moderated so troll
    free.

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  • From jim.gm4dhj@21:1/5 to Brian on Thu Jan 26 22:12:17 2023
    On 26/01/2023 20:25, Brian wrote:
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic or
    basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented; that
    leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already enough
    on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk about your
    progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    There is still the RSGB Morse Proficiency Scheme.

    I’m not sure who runs it these days - I set it up 10+ years ago under the ARDC but have lost track since.

    You could try asking on RSGBForum ( GroupsIO). It is moderated so troll
    free.



    very halpful as usual Mr Raey

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  • From Rambo@21:1/5 to Brian on Thu Jan 26 23:55:41 2023
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 20:25:01 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic or
    basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented; that
    leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already enough
    on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk about your
    progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    There is still the RSGB Morse Proficiency Scheme.

    I’m not sure who runs it these days - I set it up 10+ years ago under the >ARDC but have lost track since.

    You could try asking on RSGBForum ( GroupsIO). It is moderated so troll
    free.


    Still polishing your Trumpet I see.

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to somewhere@work.invalid on Fri Jan 27 12:18:25 2023
    In message <k3g2gmFeib4U1@mid.individual.net>, A. non Eyemouse <somewhere@work.invalid> writes
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:54:20 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    Don't bother scrolling down and reading my comments then.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.


    How much time do you spend on the air listening to it? What speed are
    you at? Once you can listen and copy stuff down there is more incentive
    to learn the sending side. Are you a native English speaker or do you
    speak other languages?

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic
    or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented;

    Jim doesn't do CW, nor does Brian but I believe brian may still do >occasionally.



    I used it on 13cm on Tuesday, and 4m last week. 12 to 18wpm. You can't
    do fast morse on the uW bands since the dots fall down the cracks.

    My advice to the OP is to get on 40m or 20m and do some slow rubber
    stamp QSOs or *gasp* contests. I must get back on Top Band CW some
    time.

    I don't think many clubs do face to face tuition these days. Not enough interest now I suppose. George Cox GM3MUY did a 1/2 hour morse session
    I took part in at the GU Radio Club in the late 60s.

    Brian GM4DIJ
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    Brian Howie

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  • From Jim gm4dhj ...@21:1/5 to A. non Eyemouse on Sat Jan 28 09:08:16 2023
    On 26/01/2023 19:27, A. non Eyemouse wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:54:20 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    Don't bother scrolling down and reading my comments then.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.


    How much time do you spend on the air listening to it? What speed are
    you at? Once you can listen and copy stuff down there is more incentive
    to learn the sending side. Are you a native English speaker or do you
    speak other languages?

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic
    or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented;

    Jim doesn't do CW, nor does Brian but I believe brian may still do occasionally.

    that leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    A bunch or brass-pounders.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already
    enough on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk
    about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    Since the Morse requirement was dropped, there's no incentive to pass a
    12wpm test to get on HF. There were regular slow Morse transmissions on-air for learners. Some people dropped it as soon as the got their licence,
    others saw it as a useful skill/mode and carried on using it.

    Joined the G-QRP club yet? Six quid a year, 4 excellent issues of
    SPRAT and a closed mailing list with discussions on CW. Have a listen
    around the QRP centres of activity 3,560 and 7,030.



    who doesn't

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  • From A. non Eyemouse@21:1/5 to kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com on Sat Jan 28 22:17:36 2023
    On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:08:16 +0000
    "Jim gm4dhj ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 26/01/2023 19:27, A. non Eyemouse wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:54:20 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    Don't bother scrolling down and reading my comments then.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet.
    So, yes, I'm a slow learner.


    How much time do you spend on the air listening to it? What speed
    are you at? Once you can listen and copy stuff down there is more
    incentive to learn the sending side. Are you a native English
    speaker or do you speak other languages?

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic
    or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented;

    Jim doesn't do CW, nor does Brian but I believe brian may still do occasionally.

    that leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys
    and quite anti-paddle, etc.

    A bunch or brass-pounders.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like
    me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already
    enough on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk
    about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    Since the Morse requirement was dropped, there's no incentive to
    pass a 12wpm test to get on HF. There were regular slow Morse
    transmissions on-air for learners. Some people dropped it as soon
    as the got their licence, others saw it as a useful skill/mode and
    carried on using it.

    Joined the G-QRP club yet? Six quid a year, 4 excellent issues of
    SPRAT and a closed mailing list with discussions on CW. Have a
    listen around the QRP centres of activity 3,560 and 7,030.



    who doesn't

    I've never heard you Jim.

    --
    Mouse.
    Where Morse meets House.

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  • From jim.gm4dhj@21:1/5 to A. non Eyemouse on Sun Jan 29 10:25:20 2023
    On 28/01/2023 22:17, A. non Eyemouse wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:08:16 +0000
    "Jim gm4dhj ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 26/01/2023 19:27, A. non Eyemouse wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 14:54:20 +0000
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    Don't bother scrolling down and reading my comments then.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet.
    So, yes, I'm a slow learner.


    How much time do you spend on the air listening to it? What speed
    are you at? Once you can listen and copy stuff down there is more
    incentive to learn the sending side. Are you a native English
    speaker or do you speak other languages?

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic
    or basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented;

    Jim doesn't do CW, nor does Brian but I believe brian may still do
    occasionally.

    that leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys
    and quite anti-paddle, etc.

    A bunch or brass-pounders.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like
    me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already
    enough on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk
    about your progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    Since the Morse requirement was dropped, there's no incentive to
    pass a 12wpm test to get on HF. There were regular slow Morse
    transmissions on-air for learners. Some people dropped it as soon
    as the got their licence, others saw it as a useful skill/mode and
    carried on using it.

    Joined the G-QRP club yet? Six quid a year, 4 excellent issues of
    SPRAT and a closed mailing list with discussions on CW. Have a
    listen around the QRP centres of activity 3,560 and 7,030.



    who doesn't

    I've never heard you Jim.

    you missed out peer examiners getting bottles of whiskey to pass their pals

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Tue Feb 7 23:19:20 2023
    In message <tqu46t$17lu5$1@dont-email.me>, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> writes
    I expect nothing good, so I won't be disappointed.

    I've been learning morse for 5 years and I'm not even there yet. So,
    yes, I'm a slow learner.

    State of the art:

    - various reddit subs: either irritatingly US-centered or off-topic or >basically dead;

    - QRZ forums: God forbid!

    - LCWO forum: ruined by a troll with multiple sockpuppets and
    non-existent moderation;

    - U.R.A.M.: basically dead;

    - This NG: a bit better than URAM but not so much morse-oriented; that
    leaves with

    - F.I.S.T. mailing list: closest but too skewed on straight keys and
    quite anti-paddle, etc.

    So what's in it for intellectually challenged morse learners like me?

    To clarify, I'm not talking about learning tools. I have already enough
    on my plate. I'm talking about resources where you can talk about your >progress, noob-2-noob questions, etc.



    You might find these texts useful.

    Https://www.qsl.net/ik0ygj/enu/ZART_r20101008m.pdf

    According to Zen Buddhism, learning is a journey through awareness and knowledge in four stages:
    o Unawareness of lack of knowledge
    o Conscious lack of knowledge
    o Conscious knowledge
    o Unawareness of knowledge


    http://www.tasrt.ca/TASRTVersions/TASRT.pdf


    Brian GM4DIJ

    --
    Brian Howie

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