• Re: [G3XBM] OFCOM - thank you

    From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Mon Jun 13 19:32:12 2022
    On 13/06/2022 19:15, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:49:44 AM UTC, Just Jim Dandy wrote:
    OFCOM - thank you

    for ruining the traditions of a once fine hobby by handing out dead mens
    call signs and un-issued call signs to faking morons like G4HRV and
    GM2UWX....madness Oh and call signs for lesbians 2M0LZY
    Fun fact, 2m0lzy was chosen because I'm "lazy" not "lezzy" but thanks for pointing it out, never noticed it before and now its deffo gonna be in an joke at the radio club. Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations
    to come, and often are chosen to honour them
    yeh right.....

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to Just Jim Dandy on Mon Jun 13 11:15:47 2022
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:49:44 AM UTC, Just Jim Dandy wrote:
    OFCOM - thank you

    for ruining the traditions of a once fine hobby by handing out dead mens call signs and un-issued call signs to faking morons like G4HRV and GM2UWX....madness Oh and call signs for lesbians 2M0LZY
    Fun fact, 2m0lzy was chosen because I'm "lazy" not "lezzy" but thanks for pointing it out, never noticed it before and now its deffo gonna be in an joke at the radio club. Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations
    to come, and often are chosen to honour them

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Mon Jun 13 20:45:22 2022
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
    Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless
    there is a family connection.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Tue Jun 14 07:12:04 2022
    On 13/06/2022 20:45, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
    Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless
    there is a family connection.

    everybody now knows thanks to me the ww2 jailing of GM3YS but they still
    want to keep his call...don't get it ....

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Tue Jun 14 01:46:28 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless there is a family connection.
    G2s were only issued until 1939 (not many originals still around), were an artificial license and couldnt transmit, plus the assignment never went as high as UWX, so it is an original callsign, never used.
    Ofcom has made a statement about the reissuing of callsigns: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/221532/Call-sign-policy.pdf
    and in 1.16 of the ofcom policy: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Tue Jun 14 10:50:41 2022
    On 14/06/2022 09:46, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless
    there is a family connection.
    G2s were only issued until 1939 (not many originals still around), were an artificial license and couldnt transmit, plus the assignment never went as high as UWX, so it is an original callsign, never used.
    Ofcom has made a statement about the reissuing of callsigns: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/221532/Call-sign-policy.pdf
    and in 1.16 of the ofcom policy: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf
    yes and there is not one ham left in ofcon so what did you expect
    .....probably run now by a bunch of woke millenials with degrees in
    nappy changing...

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Tue Jun 14 03:55:44 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:50:43 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 09:46, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless >>> there is a family connection.
    G2s were only issued until 1939 (not many originals still around), were an artificial license and couldnt transmit, plus the assignment never went as high as UWX, so it is an original callsign, never used.
    Ofcom has made a statement about the reissuing of callsigns: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/221532/Call-sign-policy.pdf
    and in 1.16 of the ofcom policy: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf
    yes and there is not one ham left in ofcon so what did you expect .....probably run now by a bunch of woke millenials with degrees in
    nappy changing...
    OFCOM have been trying to get more people into the hobby because it is dying out, and I dont blame them. Its a toxic hobby with folks like you complaining about new, younger people joining. A degree isnt a bad thing, and youre thinking of parenting
    classes
    Wokeness isnt bad, wallowing in how things used to be however, is a very sad existence

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Tue Jun 14 13:40:29 2022
    On 14/06/2022 11:55, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:50:43 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 09:46, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote: >>>>>> Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless >>>>> there is a family connection.
    G2s were only issued until 1939 (not many originals still around), were an artificial license and couldnt transmit, plus the assignment never went as high as UWX, so it is an original callsign, never used.
    Ofcom has made a statement about the reissuing of callsigns: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/221532/Call-sign-policy.pdf
    and in 1.16 of the ofcom policy: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf
    yes and there is not one ham left in ofcon so what did you expect
    .....probably run now by a bunch of woke millenials with degrees in
    nappy changing...
    OFCOM have been trying to get more people into the hobby because it is dying out, and I dont blame them. Its a toxic hobby with folks like you complaining about new, younger people joining. A degree isnt a bad thing, and youre thinking of parenting
    classes
    Wokeness isnt bad, wallowing in how things used to be however, is a very sad existence

    It won't die out there will still be people interested, perhaps fewer
    better no-CB pirate people who don't need things dumbed down for them
    where you are not allowed to fail and won't collect personalised
    callsigns like car number plates .....I got my full Licence when I was
    21 sat a three hour written exam and a morse test to get on Hf...I only
    ever have had one callsign ..... I was slagged off on 80m for buying
    commercial gear nothing changes....

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Tue Jun 14 05:47:04 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:40:31 PM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 11:55, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:50:43 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 09:46, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Jim Stewart ... wrote: >>>>>> Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless >>>>> there is a family connection.
    G2s were only issued until 1939 (not many originals still around), were an artificial license and couldnt transmit, plus the assignment never went as high as UWX, so it is an original callsign, never used.
    Ofcom has made a statement about the reissuing of callsigns: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/221532/Call-sign-policy.pdf
    and in 1.16 of the ofcom policy: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf
    yes and there is not one ham left in ofcon so what did you expect
    .....probably run now by a bunch of woke millenials with degrees in
    nappy changing...
    OFCOM have been trying to get more people into the hobby because it is dying out, and I dont blame them. Its a toxic hobby with folks like you complaining about new, younger people joining. A degree isnt a bad thing, and youre thinking of parenting
    classes
    Wokeness isnt bad, wallowing in how things used to be however, is a very sad existence
    It won't die out there will still be people interested, perhaps fewer
    better no-CB pirate people who don't need things dumbed down for them
    where you are not allowed to fail and won't collect personalised
    callsigns like car number plates .....I got my full Licence when I was
    21 sat a three hour written exam and a morse test to get on Hf...I only
    ever have had one callsign ..... I was slagged off on 80m for buying commercial gear nothing changes....
    And I did my intermediate at 24, Pipa did 3 exams in less than a year, at 30 while blind. People all enter the hobby at various ages, work to various levels, as they wish. Picking a callsign to honor a person in your life is not a novelty. People wont
    enter the hobby while there's folks slagging off others and younger people online, its just toxic.

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 13:57:01 2022
    And I did my intermediate at 24, Pipa did 3 exams in less than a year, at 30 while blind. People all enter the hobby at various ages, work to various levels, as they wish. Picking a callsign to honor a person in your life is not a novelty.

    It totally is .....



    >People wont enter the hobby while there's folks slagging off others
    and younger people online, its just toxic.

    what do you mean by toxic ? ....I don't get it

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Tue Jun 14 14:34:36 2022
    On 14/06/2022 14:32, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 14 Jun 2022 at 13:57:01 BST, ""Jim Stewart ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:




    what do you mean by toxic ? ....I don't get it

    Clearly; and yet you seem to "get it" when Reay and Cole do it to you. Perhaps you're a victim really ...

    what?....

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Tue Jun 14 14:45:04 2022
    On 13/06/2022 19:15, Dorian Clark wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:49:44 AM UTC, Just Jim Dandy wrote:
    OFCOM - thank you

    for ruining the traditions of a once fine hobby by handing out dead mens
    call signs and un-issued call signs to faking morons like G4HRV and
    GM2UWX....madness Oh and call signs for lesbians 2M0LZY
    Fun fact, 2m0lzy was chosen because I'm "lazy" not "lezzy" but thanks for pointing it out, never noticed it before and now its deffo gonna be in an joke at the radio club. Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations
    to come, and often are chosen to honour them


    I've known about the exploits of George Troy GM3YS since the mid 70's
    and he is in my log book from that time on 80m...a chap who lived in a
    prefab in Hampden told me about him and he also told me he employed
    young lads at an old Bank in the Paisley road west during WW2 making
    radios... ...his voice had a certain sibilance on air as if he had teeth missing probably knocked out in prison during the war ....he moved from Scotland to GI,EI and England in later years probably to escape the
    vigilante mob....point is why would a club want to keep this call-sign
    when they were informed of the past of the man who was a deceased club
    member ? The club was totally unaware of his past and fell for stories
    of him being undercover in Northern Ireland.....so should people take on
    dead mens callsigns and if they do what should happen when they find out
    their history ?.... looks like the lure of the two letter callsign is
    just too strong ... or is it the fact that even in glasgow in the early
    70's you could buy child porno magazines over the counter and people of
    a certain generation don't care ? ...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pensioner-sentenced-1465830.html

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com on Tue Jun 14 13:32:45 2022
    On 14 Jun 2022 at 13:57:01 BST, ""Jim Stewart ...""
    <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:




    what do you mean by toxic ? ....I don't get it

    Clearly; and yet you seem to "get it" when Reay and Cole do it to you.
    Perhaps you're a victim really ...

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 08:28:28 2022
    I've known about the exploits of George Troy GM3YS since the mid 70's
    and he is in my log book from that time on 80m...a chap who lived in a
    prefab in Hampden told me about him and he also told me he employed
    young lads at an old Bank in the Paisley road west during WW2 making radios... ...his voice had a certain sibilance on air as if he had teeth missing probably knocked out in prison during the war ....he moved from Scotland to GI,EI and England in later years probably to escape the
    vigilante mob....point is why would a club want to keep this call-sign
    when they were informed of the past of the man who was a deceased club
    member ? The club was totally unaware of his past and fell for stories
    of him being undercover in Northern Ireland.....so should people take on
    dead mens callsigns and if they do what should happen when they find out their history ?.... looks like the lure of the two letter callsign is
    just too strong ... or is it the fact that even in glasgow in the early
    70's you could buy child porno magazines over the counter and people of
    a certain generation don't care ? ...

    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual

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  • From Dorian Clark@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 10:06:16 2022
    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual
    stupid argument....you can do better than that.....
    Im using your arguement buddy

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Dorian Clark on Tue Jun 14 17:52:19 2022
    On 14/06/2022 16:28, Dorian Clark wrote:

    I've known about the exploits of George Troy GM3YS since the mid 70's
    and he is in my log book from that time on 80m...a chap who lived in a
    prefab in Hampden told me about him and he also told me he employed
    young lads at an old Bank in the Paisley road west during WW2 making
    radios... ...his voice had a certain sibilance on air as if he had teeth
    missing probably knocked out in prison during the war ....he moved from
    Scotland to GI,EI and England in later years probably to escape the
    vigilante mob....point is why would a club want to keep this call-sign
    when they were informed of the past of the man who was a deceased club
    member ? The club was totally unaware of his past and fell for stories
    of him being undercover in Northern Ireland.....so should people take on
    dead mens callsigns and if they do what should happen when they find out
    their history ?.... looks like the lure of the two letter callsign is
    just too strong ... or is it the fact that even in glasgow in the early
    70's you could buy child porno magazines over the counter and people of
    a certain generation don't care ? ...

    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual
    stupid argument....you can do better than that.....

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Rambo on Tue Jun 14 21:10:41 2022
    On 14/06/2022 20:27, Rambo wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:


    I've known about the exploits of George Troy GM3YS since the mid 70's
    and he is in my log book from that time on 80m...a chap who lived in a
    prefab in Hampden told me about him and he also told me he employed
    young lads at an old Bank in the Paisley road west during WW2 making
    radios... ...his voice had a certain sibilance on air as if he had teeth >>> missing probably knocked out in prison during the war ....he moved from
    Scotland to GI,EI and England in later years probably to escape the
    vigilante mob....point is why would a club want to keep this call-sign
    when they were informed of the past of the man who was a deceased club
    member ? The club was totally unaware of his past and fell for stories
    of him being undercover in Northern Ireland.....so should people take on >>> dead mens callsigns and if they do what should happen when they find out >>> their history ?.... looks like the lure of the two letter callsign is
    just too strong ... or is it the fact that even in glasgow in the early
    70's you could buy child porno magazines over the counter and people of
    a certain generation don't care ? ...

    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual

    Err.... Jim is his given name. what other name do you suggest he use?
    Make one up like Dorian wth a fake callsign?.....

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  • From Rambo@21:1/5 to dorianclark123@gmail.com on Tue Jun 14 20:27:31 2022
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:


    I've known about the exploits of George Troy GM3YS since the mid 70's
    and he is in my log book from that time on 80m...a chap who lived in a
    prefab in Hampden told me about him and he also told me he employed
    young lads at an old Bank in the Paisley road west during WW2 making
    radios... ...his voice had a certain sibilance on air as if he had teeth
    missing probably knocked out in prison during the war ....he moved from
    Scotland to GI,EI and England in later years probably to escape the
    vigilante mob....point is why would a club want to keep this call-sign
    when they were informed of the past of the man who was a deceased club
    member ? The club was totally unaware of his past and fell for stories
    of him being undercover in Northern Ireland.....so should people take on
    dead mens callsigns and if they do what should happen when they find out
    their history ?.... looks like the lure of the two letter callsign is
    just too strong ... or is it the fact that even in glasgow in the early
    70's you could buy child porno magazines over the counter and people of
    a certain generation don't care ? ...

    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual

    Err.... Jim is his given name. what other name do you suggest he use?

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Sat Jun 18 08:02:54 2022
    Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 13/06/2022 20:45, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
    Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless
    there is a family connection.

    everybody now knows thanks to me the ww2 jailing of GM3YS but they still
    want to keep his call...don't get it ....


    Are you still whining about missing out on that callsign.

    Join the club, then you could use it.

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  • From A. non Eyemouse@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Mon Jun 20 10:55:07 2022
    On 14/06/2022 21:10, Jim Stewart ... wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 20:27, Rambo wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Dorian Clark
    <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Jimmy saville was a pedo, and yet you continue to use Jim. Using the
    same or similar moniker does not reflect on an individual

    Ironically, Jimmy Savile was never tried and convicted of any of the
    subsequent allegations while he was alive.

    Err.... Jim is his given name. what other name do you suggest he use?

    Why no use Brian, it seems to be popular on this NG.

    Make one up like Dorian wth a fake callsign?.....

    Ofcom don't care. Unless you're running a pirate broadcaster or
    interfering with paying spectrum users. If you read Roger's blog he
    wasn't assigned a callsign for his research permit so he could use G9BF.

    --
    Mouse.
    Where Morse meets House.

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to A. non Eyemouse on Mon Jun 20 16:18:22 2022
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 10:55:07 +0100
    "A. non Eyemouse" <somewhere@work.invalid> wrote:

    Why no use Brian, it seems to be popular on this NG.

    Is your name not Bruce? Ah, that's going to cause confusion.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Brian on Tue Jun 21 08:54:25 2022
    On 18/06/2022 09:02, Brian wrote:
    Jim Stewart ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 13/06/2022 20:45, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
    Dorian Clark <dorianclark123@gmail.com> wrote:

    Recycling old call signs means that they can continue to be used for generations to come

    As long as they're not reissued within living memory that's OK, unless
    there is a family connection.

    everybody now knows thanks to me the ww2 jailing of GM3YS but they still
    want to keep his call...don't get it ....


    Are you still whining about missing out on that callsign.

    Join the club, then you could use it.



    no you are

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