• Re: Crystal frequency synthesis (was Re: [G3XBM] 10m WSPR TX beacon usi

    From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Sun Feb 6 19:26:44 2022
    On 06/02/2022 19:15, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 16:40:15 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 06/02/2022 13:09, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 07:16:18 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 06/02/2022 01:30, Brian Morrison wrote:
    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    NOTHING digital has anything to do wath ham radio

    Back to 5MHz VFOs and crystal mixing frequency synthesis for you then
    ;-)

    got a new liner2

    I used to have a TR-7010, similar but with fewer spurs on Tx. It said
    TRIO on the front panel, something that is long gone now.

    me too...hated it...

    It had problems with its fairly restrictive frequency coverage, with the standard crystal complement (which included both of the expansion
    crystal sockets filled which got you to 144.3375MHz with a following
    wind) and I couldn't afford a VFO-700 to use as an external frequency
    source. I tried building a VFO but it just was not stable enough.

    hated that....

    The trick was remembering that the extra 2 crystals needed to be fitted
    in the expansion sockets so that the tuning knob 5kHz step from 95->A
    with the range button on 144.2 took you from 144.295 to 144.300, then
    setting 144.1 on the range button gave you 144.320 with A displayed and 144.335 with D. It was always easier to QSY down from the calling
    frequency so that you had a fairly direct readout of where you were
    tuned to. Luckily the VXO only tuned +/- 2.5kHz so it was possible to
    scan the band in 5kHz steps without missing any signals. Never did own
    an IC-202 which was about the only other affordable 2m SSB rig of the
    time.

    I did.....used to carry it on my CB125

    In another week my licence will have been issued for 43 years. Some time before I bought the 7010 the Wrotham beacon had gone off air and once
    it came back in May 1979 it had moved to 144.925 and so I never got to
    listen to it again with my own Rx until I had a radio with full-band 2m coverage about 5 years later. GB3VHF spent not much more than 4 years
    on 144.150, the CW/SSB mode boundary in the band plan. It all feels like another world now, which I suppose it was.

    it can be again...don't give in to DIGITAL

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  • From A. non Eyemouse@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Mon Feb 7 19:46:19 2022
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 19:15:52 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 16:40:15 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 06/02/2022 13:09, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 07:16:18 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 06/02/2022 01:30, Brian Morrison wrote:
    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    NOTHING digital has anything to do wath ham radio

    Back to 5MHz VFOs and crystal mixing frequency synthesis for you
    then ;-)

    got a new liner2

    I used to have a TR-7010, similar but with fewer spurs on Tx. It said
    TRIO on the front panel, something that is long gone now.

    It had problems with its fairly restrictive frequency coverage, with
    the standard crystal complement (which included both of the expansion
    crystal sockets filled which got you to 144.3375MHz with a following
    wind) and I couldn't afford a VFO-700 to use as an external frequency
    source. I tried building a VFO but it just was not stable enough.

    The trick was remembering that the extra 2 crystals needed to be
    fitted in the expansion sockets so that the tuning knob 5kHz step
    from 95->A with the range button on 144.2 took you from 144.295 to
    144.300, then setting 144.1 on the range button gave you 144.320 with
    A displayed and 144.335 with D. It was always easier to QSY down from
    the calling frequency so that you had a fairly direct readout of
    where you were tuned to. Luckily the VXO only tuned +/- 2.5kHz so it
    was possible to scan the band in 5kHz steps without missing any
    signals. Never did own an IC-202 which was about the only other
    affordable 2m SSB rig of the time.

    I was lucky enough to have the IC202 but that needed an extra crystal
    for the beacon band. I think I added .4 to .6 and .8 to 145.0 to mine.
    I build a 20W amplifier from a kit using a 2N6082 and a RX preamp using
    a U310 in grounded-gate (probably out of the ARRL handbook). I used an
    8-ele Jaybeam followed quickly by a 9-ele Tonna, everything apart from
    the Icom was funded by my paper round.

    In another week my licence will have been issued for 43 years. Some
    time before I bought the 7010 the Wrotham beacon had gone off air and
    once it came back in May 1979 it had moved to 144.925 and so I never
    got to listen to it again with my own Rx until I had a radio with
    full-band 2m coverage about 5 years later. GB3VHF spent not much more
    than 4 years on 144.150, the CW/SSB mode boundary in the band plan.
    It all feels like another world now, which I suppose it was.


    It sounds like there were a few of us licenced at that time when
    amateur radio was a cool hobby for teenagers. A lot has changed in that
    time. You must have taken the last written RAE in Dec 1978.

    --
    Mouse.
    Where Morse meets House.

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to A. non Eyemouse on Mon Feb 7 23:27:12 2022
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:46:19 +0000
    "A. non Eyemouse" <somewhere@work.invalid> wrote:

    It sounds like there were a few of us licenced at that time when
    amateur radio was a cool hobby for teenagers. A lot has changed in that
    time. You must have taken the last written RAE in Dec 1978.

    Yes, that was the one, taught the syllabus by a few people at school
    with fairly recent G8Oxx calls and also by Tim Hughes G3GVV. Tim was
    also my woodwork and technology teacher.

    There were 5 of us that passed the RAE that year, one of whom was quick
    enough off the mark to get the last-but-3 G8Rxx call, 3 of us were
    about half a dozen letters into the G8Sxx series and one straggler a
    couple of letters further still. Now I'm the only one of those active
    (or even licensed) and of the previous group of 4 I don't know for sure
    about activity but a couple are still licensed.

    I have no regrets really, but I miss the evenings in the pub with many
    of them, much hilarity ensued. You had to be there.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Tue Feb 8 07:46:30 2022
    On 07/02/2022 23:27, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:46:19 +0000
    "A. non Eyemouse" <somewhere@work.invalid> wrote:

    It sounds like there were a few of us licenced at that time when
    amateur radio was a cool hobby for teenagers. A lot has changed in that
    time. You must have taken the last written RAE in Dec 1978.

    Yes, that was the one, taught the syllabus by a few people at school
    with fairly recent G8Oxx calls and also by Tim Hughes G3GVV. Tim was
    also my woodwork and technology teacher.

    There were 5 of us that passed the RAE that year, one of whom was quick enough off the mark to get the last-but-3 G8Rxx call, 3 of us were
    about half a dozen letters into the G8Sxx series and one straggler a
    couple of letters further still. Now I'm the only one of those active
    (or even licensed) and of the previous group of 4 I don't know for sure
    about activity but a couple are still licensed.

    I have no regrets really, but I miss the evenings in the pub with many
    of them, much hilarity ensued. You had to be there.

    I was an old 21 year old when I got my GM4 in summer 1974 having passed
    the dec 73 RAE not like you pair of spring chickens

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  • From Brian Morrison@21:1/5 to kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com on Tue Feb 8 19:42:22 2022
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:46:30 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    I have no regrets really, but I miss the evenings in the pub with many
    of them, much hilarity ensued. You had to be there.

    I was an old 21 year old when I got my GM4 in summer 1974 having passed
    the dec 73 RAE not like you pair of spring chickens

    Only 5 years before me Jim, and only 10 years older.

    Cue David Bowie "We had five years left to cry in". Here we are 50
    years on from that song and we're still being told that we have some
    uncertain but small number of years before the planet has been killed.

    We'll all be a long time dead.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    "I am not young enough to know everything"
    Oscar Wilde

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  • From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to Brian Morrison on Tue Feb 8 20:36:52 2022
    On 08/02/2022 19:42, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:46:30 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    I have no regrets really, but I miss the evenings in the pub with many
    of them, much hilarity ensued. You had to be there.

    I was an old 21 year old when I got my GM4 in summer 1974 having passed
    the dec 73 RAE not like you pair of spring chickens

    Only 5 years before me Jim, and only 10 years older.

    Cue David Bowie "We had five years left to cry in". Here we are 50
    years on from that song and we're still being told that we have some uncertain but small number of years before the planet has been killed.

    We'll all be a long time dead.

    I will anyway...remember buying that cassette when it came out at a
    record shop in Sauchiehall street ....

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  • From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 8 20:38:55 2022
    On 08/02/2022 20:36, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 19:42, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:46:30 +0000
    "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    I have no regrets really, but I miss the evenings in the pub with many >>>> of them, much hilarity ensued. You had to be there.
    I was an old 21 year old when I got my GM4 in summer 1974 having passed
    the dec 73 RAE not like you pair of spring chickens

    Only 5 years before me Jim, and only 10 years older.

    Cue David Bowie "We had five years left to cry in". Here we are 50
    years on from that song and we're still being told that we have some
    uncertain but small number of years before the planet has been killed.

    We'll all be a long time dead.

    I will anyway...remember buying that cassette when it came out at a
    record shop in Sauchiehall street ....
    I was working on setting out the piled foundations of a brand new office
    block in India street...now demolished I set one out 500mm out of place...don't tell anybody

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