• unmarked aircraft??

    From Mike Scott@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 19:28:19 2024
    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of helicopter
    noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like in the
    standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline and
    headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately without
    guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and was audible
    for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so?


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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Mike Scott on Wed Apr 24 19:51:28 2024
    On 24/04/2024 19:28, Mike Scott wrote:
    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of helicopter noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like in the
    standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline and
    headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately without
    guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and was audible
    for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so?



    There are exemptions granted, upon application to the CAA, for film work
    and for aircraft in historically accurate liveries.


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Mark Goodge@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk on Wed Apr 24 21:32:05 2024
    On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:51:28 +0100, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 24/04/2024 19:28, Mike Scott wrote:
    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of helicopter
    noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like in the
    standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline and
    headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately without
    guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and was audible
    for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so?

    There are exemptions granted, upon application to the CAA, for film work
    and for aircraft in historically accurate liveries.

    Wimpole Hall has been used as a filming location in the past. It's
    advertised as a filming location on the National Trust website. And "just
    like in the standard war movie" does possibly suggest precisely such a
    scenario :-)

    Mark

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  • From Alan J. Wylie@21:1/5 to Mike Scott on Wed Apr 24 21:18:39 2024
    Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> writes:

    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of
    helicopter noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like
    in the standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline
    and headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately
    without guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and
    was audible for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so?


    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    The building is shown on a 1902 OS map at TL 320 502.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/2024-04-24/12:34/4x/AAC311/34e92e16

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattisham_Flying_Station

    https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.9&lat=52.13521&lon=-0.07244&layers=168&right=osm

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Apr 24 20:01:03 2024
    Colin Bignell wrote:

    Mike Scott wrote:

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this
    not so?

    There are exemptions granted, upon application to the CAA, for film work
    and for aircraft in historically accurate liveries.

    UK usenet committee biscuit factory trip?

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 07:03:04 2024
    In message <874jbq4iqo.fsf@wylie.me.uk>, at 21:18:39 on Wed, 24 Apr
    2024, Alan J. Wylie <alan@wylie.me.uk> remarked:
    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of
    helicopter noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like
    in the standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline
    and headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately
    without guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and
    was audible for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so?

    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    On the local TV news this morning was a massive military exercise
    commencing in East Anglia, involving inter alia lots of helicopters.
    Perhaps this part of the preparations?
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    Roland Perry

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  • From Mike Scott@21:1/5 to Alan J. Wylie on Thu Apr 25 08:48:08 2024
    On 24/04/2024 21:18, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
    ......

    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    The building is shown on a 1902 OS map at TL 320 502.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/2024-04-24/12:34/4x/AAC311/34e92e16

    Now that makes a deal of sense.... we heard him pottering around out of
    site for ages, which the flightradar track shows. Thanks. Starting point
    a little unexpected though.

    I've used flightradar a little - but now I've been alerted, I've finally
    seen the 'playback' button; hadn't thought to look for anything like
    that. Something to remember; thanks.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattisham_Flying_Station

    https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.9&lat=52.13521&lon=-0.07244&layers=168&right=osm


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    Harlow, England

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  • From Mike Scott@21:1/5 to Mark Goodge on Thu Apr 25 08:33:57 2024
    On 24/04/2024 21:32, Mark Goodge wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:51:28 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

    On 24/04/2024 19:28, Mike Scott wrote:
    Hi all. A bit of an oddball.....

    We went walking at Wimpole Hall near Cambridge today. Lots of helicopter >>> noise as we walked across the fields. Eventually, just like in the
    standard war movie, a helicopter slowly rose above the treeline and
    headed towards us, at maybe about 100ft or less. Fortunately without
    guns ablaze. It flew off at low height behind the trees and was audible
    for a considerable time.

    But as it passed, I looked for any markings. None whatsoever. Neither
    civil nor RAF. It was just a plain dark matt khaki green all over. I'm
    no chopper expert, so no clue what it might have been; looked like a
    very chunky 2-seater with some big engines. Wimpole staff were also
    puzzled as they'd seen it too.

    I thought all aircraft had to have some sort of ID visible. Is this not so? >>
    There are exemptions granted, upon application to the CAA, for film work
    and for aircraft in historically accurate liveries.

    Wimpole Hall has been used as a filming location in the past. It's
    advertised as a filming location on the National Trust website. And "just like in the standard war movie" does possibly suggest precisely such a scenario :-)

    Mark


    Love the idea. But no camera crew on the ground.

    As it happens, my wife picked up on a Look East news item on the telly today.... seems a pile of helicopters were headed off for a NATO
    exercise yesterday - one of the images looked rather like the one we
    saw, and had no markings either. So maybe RAF. Only trouble being they
    were headed out from Wattisham. Maybe their satnav was on the blink :-}



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    Harlow, England

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  • From Alan J. Wylie@21:1/5 to Alan J. Wylie on Thu Apr 25 08:36:31 2024
    "Alan J. Wylie" <alan@wylie.me.uk> writes:

    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    P.S.
    The building is 5km or so north of Bassingbourn Barracks, previously
    the home of the Army Training Regiment, now the Mission Ready Training
    Centre (MRTC), a unit responsible for training troops for operations
    abroad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassingbourn_Barracks

    --
    Alan J. Wylie https://www.wylie.me.uk/

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  • From Mike Scott@21:1/5 to Alan J. Wylie on Thu Apr 25 15:54:59 2024
    On 25/04/2024 08:36, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
    "Alan J. Wylie" <alan@wylie.me.uk> writes:

    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    P.S.
    The building is 5km or so north of Bassingbourn Barracks, previously
    the home of the Army Training Regiment, now the Mission Ready Training
    Centre (MRTC), a unit responsible for training troops for operations
    abroad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassingbourn_Barracks


    I don't think it came from there. I had a look on flightradar, and it
    seems it came from Wattisham, there's a discontinuity when it reaches
    Croydon Road, then it messes around Wimpole and heads back to Wattisham
    and circles for a while, with another discontinuity in the track
    recording. Maybe it landed? Or maybe they turned off the tracking equipment?

    Anyway, the mystery seems solved; we had a better view than anything at
    an airshow :-}

    Again, thanks for the input.

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    Mike Scott
    Harlow, England

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Alan J. Wylie on Thu Apr 25 16:19:15 2024
    Alan J. Wylie <alan@wylie.me.uk> wrote:
    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    The building is shown on a 1902 OS map at TL 320 502.

    That's the abode of:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Blundell

    however I think that's a red herring - FR24 doesn't show it landing. It
    seems to have started from Wattisham, done some manoeurves over Wimpole and then headed back to Wattisham. FR24 just doesn't link that into one
    continuous track, you have to scroll the timeline forward and back to see pieces of the track.

    Theo

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 18:46:17 2024
    In message <xmx*C0PIz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 16:19:15 on Thu,
    25 Apr 2024, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
    Alan J. Wylie <alan@wylie.me.uk> wrote:
    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches
    your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    The building is shown on a 1902 OS map at TL 320 502.

    That's the abode of:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Blundell

    Small world. He was my (somewhat reclusive) neighbour when I lived in
    Melbourn, and moved away in perhaps 2002. I knew it was in that general
    area but never had the urge to explore it.
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    Roland Perry

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Mike Scott on Fri Apr 26 19:23:31 2024
    On 25-Apr-24 15:54, Mike Scott wrote:
    On 25/04/2024 08:36, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
    "Alan J. Wylie" <alan@wylie.me.uk> writes:

    Flightradar 24 shows an Army Air Corps Apache AH-64E in the vicinity at
    about 12:30. No markings in the photo on the website, the colour matches >>> your description. It seems to have taken off from an expensive villa
    style house north of Croyden Road between Croyden and Arrington and
    headed to Wattisham Flying Station.

    P.S.
    The building is 5km or so north of Bassingbourn Barracks, previously
    the home of the Army Training Regiment, now the Mission Ready Training
    Centre (MRTC), a unit responsible for training troops for operations
    abroad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassingbourn_Barracks


    I don't think it came from there. I had a look on flightradar, and it
    seems it came from Wattisham, there's a discontinuity when it reaches
    Croydon Road, then it messes around Wimpole and heads back to Wattisham
    and circles for a while, with another discontinuity in the track
    recording. Maybe it landed? Or maybe they turned off the tracking
    equipment?

    Anyway, the mystery seems solved; we had a better view than anything at
    an airshow :-}

    Again, thanks for the input.

    Someone forgot to pick up their sandwiches. Bound to be that.

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    Sam Plusnet

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