https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68610723
"Police said driver Nikesh Mistry, 34, had forced the rider on to the
wrong side of the carriageway following a "non-verbal exchange" as the
pair exited Walton Roundabout in Milton Keynes on 19 November 2022.
The motorbike was pushed into the bridge railings, causing the rider to
come off and fall over the edge before the car collided with an oncoming vehicle.
The rider of the motorcycle suffered serious injuries and was airlifted
to hospital, while the occupants of the cars were taken there by ambulance.
Mistry, of Groundsel Close, Walnut Tree, Milton Keynes, admitted two
counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving and one count of causing grievous bodily harm with intent.
He was jailed for four years and 10 months at Aylesbury Crown Court and
will need to take an extended driving test before getting his licence back."
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68610723
"Police said driver Nikesh Mistry, 34, had forced the rider on to the
wrong side of the carriageway following a "non-verbal exchange" as the
pair exited Walton Roundabout in Milton Keynes on 19 November 2022.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68610723
"Police said driver Nikesh Mistry, 34, had forced the rider on to the
wrong side of the carriageway following a "non-verbal exchange" as the
pair exited Walton Roundabout in Milton Keynes on 19 November 2022.
The motorbike was pushed into the bridge railings, causing the rider to
come off and fall over the edge before the car collided with an oncoming vehicle.
The rider of the motorcycle suffered serious injuries and was airlifted
to hospital, while the occupants of the cars were taken there by ambulance.
Mistry, of Groundsel Close, Walnut Tree, Milton Keynes, admitted two
counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving and one count of causing grievous bodily harm with intent.
He was jailed for four years and 10 months at Aylesbury Crown Court and
will need to take an extended driving test before getting his licence
back."
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike
all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers
on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and
must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a
result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be
deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the
road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike,
but the barriers on that side of the road and also an oncoming car?
And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear
to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to chase
after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by filtering
ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's fault, seeing
he didn't intend to hit the other car.
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and
must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a
result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be
deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the
road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike,
but the barriers on that side of the road and also an oncoming car?
And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear
to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to chase
after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by filtering
ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's fault, seeing
he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a vehicle used as a weapon.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a vehicle >> used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so I
think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to the
decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access to an
awful lot more evidence than we do.
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so I
think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to the
decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access to an
awful lot more evidence than we do.
On 20 Mar 2024 at 16:17:12 GMT, "Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and
must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a
result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be
deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the
road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike,
but the barriers on that side of the road and also an oncoming car?
And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear
to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to chase
after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by filtering
ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's fault, seeing
he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a vehicle >> used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so I
think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to the
decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access to an
awful lot more evidence than we do.
On 20/03/2024 05:28 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 16:17:12 GMT, "Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and >>>>>>> must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a
result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be >>>>>> deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the
road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, >>>>> but the barriers on that side of the road and also an oncoming car?
And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear >>>>> to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to chase
after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by filtering
ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's fault, seeing >>>> he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a vehicle >>> used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There is no problem about a murder or attempt charge using a vehicle,
surely?
Juries were apparently reluctant to convict in cases of inadvertence
(hence the "CDBDD" law), but this was not that.
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 18:22:06 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68610723
"Police said driver Nikesh Mistry, 34, had forced the rider on to the
wrong side of the carriageway following a "non-verbal exchange" as the
pair exited Walton Roundabout in Milton Keynes on 19 November 2022.
https://news.sky.com/story/man-jailed-for-ramming-motorcyclist-off-bridge-in-act-of-extreme-road-rage-13097558
"Mistry, driving a silver BMW"
Nothing like perpetuating a stereotype, eh.
On 20 Mar 2024 at 16:17:12 GMT, "Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:...
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the
road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike,
but the barriers on that side of the road and also an oncoming car?
And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear
to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to chase
after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by filtering
ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's fault, seeing
he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a vehicle >> used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike
all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers
on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
On 20 Mar 2024 at 18:09:13 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 05:28 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 16:17:12 GMT, "Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike,
and must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a >>>>>>> result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to >>>>>>> be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of
the road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the
motorbike, but the barriers on that side of the road and also an
oncoming car? And you're describing that, with a straight face,
as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to
chase after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by
filtering ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's
fault, seeing he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There is no problem about a murder or attempt charge using a vehicle,
surely?
Juries were apparently reluctant to convict in cases of inadvertence
(hence the "CDBDD" law), but this was not that.
Juries have to be convinced of an intent to kill or inflict serious
injury. "Road rage" is often interpreted as righteous indignation with
no murderous intent unless the circumstances are very clear, like
turning round and driving back over the victim's body.
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in news:5906215605.7774f9a7@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 18:09:13 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 05:28 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 16:17:12 GMT, "Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
news:4175594127.1b955a2f@uninhabited.net:
On 20 Mar 2024 at 13:23:02 GMT, "Jon Ribbens"
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, >>>>>>>>> and must have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a >>>>>>>> result of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to >>>>>>>> be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the
motorbike all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of
the road, to the extent that the car crashes into not just the
motorbike, but the barriers on that side of the road and also an >>>>>>> oncoming car? And you're describing that, with a straight face,
as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
That beautifully illustrates the difficulty in prosecuting such
crimes. Half the jury is going to think it is quite natural to
chase after a motorcyclist who has disrespected them, perhaps by
filtering ahead of them, and that the crash wasn't really anyone's >>>>>> fault, seeing he didn't intend to hit the other car.
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There is no problem about a murder or attempt charge using a vehicle,
surely?
Juries were apparently reluctant to convict in cases of inadvertence
(hence the "CDBDD" law), but this was not that.
Juries have to be convinced of an intent to kill or inflict serious
injury. "Road rage" is often interpreted as righteous indignation with
no murderous intent unless the circumstances are very clear, like
turning round and driving back over the victim's body.
or recklessness:
(apologies for refering out to wikipedia but the second link appears more authorative)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_murder ("recklessly" half way
down)
https://www.lawteacher.net/lectures/criminal-law/committing-an- offence/mens-rea/
("Recklessness" one third down.)
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike
all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers
on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing
that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
Jeff
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike
all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers
on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing
that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
On 21 Mar 2024 at 09:56:59 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike >>> all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result >>>> of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate. >>>
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers >>> on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing >>> that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
Jeff
As someone else said, when you try to intimidate a two-wheeled vehicle with a ton of car, even if you don't specifically intend to hit it, I would very readily be convinced that the act was reckless as to potentially fatal consequences. Jurors' MMV, and usualy does.
"Peter Walker" <not@for.mail> wrote:
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in
Juries have to be convinced of an intent to kill or inflict serious
injury. "Road rage" is often interpreted as righteous indignation with
no murderous intent unless the circumstances are very clear, like
turning round and driving back over the victim's body.
or recklessness:
(apologies for refering out to wikipedia but the second link appears more
authorative)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_murder ("recklessly" half way
down)
https://www.lawteacher.net/lectures/criminal-law/committing-an-
offence/mens-rea/
("Recklessness" one third down.)
Well yes, but the juror who invariably blames other parties for the result of his own driving recklessness is hardly going to accept the concept that driving stupidly is "reckless" as to the consequences. It's just an accident, isn't it?
On 20/03/2024 17:46, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so I
think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to the
decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access to an
awful lot more evidence than we do.
It was clearly opinion, and hence not defamation.
On 20 Mar 2024 at 18:09:13 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
Juries were apparently reluctant to convict in cases of inadvertence
(hence the "CDBDD" law), but this was not that.
Juries have to be convinced of an intent to kill or inflict serious injury. >"Road rage" is often interpreted as righteous indignation with no murderous >intent unless the circumstances are very clear, like turning round and driving >back over the victim's body.
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
On 21 Mar 2024 at 09:56:59 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike >>> all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result >>>> of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate. >>>
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers >>> on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing >>> that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
Jeff
As someone else said, when you try to intimidate a two-wheeled vehicle with a ton of car, even if you don't specifically intend to hit it, I would very readily be convinced that the act was reckless as to potentially fatal consequences. Jurors' MMV, and usualy does.
On 2024-03-21, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike >>> all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result >>>> of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate. >>>
extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers >>> on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing >>> that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
If that video was the beginning and the end of the story then you
might, perhaps, have a plausible argument. But, of course, it isn't.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
Except for the fact that he pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily
harm with intent? That seems like a bit of a big thing to fail to
mention.
On 21/03/2024 13:54, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-21, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2024 13:23, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-03-20, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:Was the video you watched the one where the car has chased the motorbike >>>> all the way over to the far edge of the wrong side of the road, to the >>>> extent that the car crashes into not just the motorbike, but the barriers >>>> on that side of the road and also an oncoming car? And you're describing >>>> that, with a straight face, as "did not appear to be deliberate"?
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must >>>>>> have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result >>>>> of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate. >>>>
What I am saying is that there is no clear evidence that it was the
drivers intention to run the motorcyclist into the barrier. The bike is
only forced into the barrier when the perusing car is pushed a
considerable distance sideways by the impact with the oncoming car.
If that video was the beginning and the end of the story then you
might, perhaps, have a plausible argument. But, of course, it isn't.
Very Dangerous driving certainly, but no evidence that "Mistry
deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike"
Except for the fact that he pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily
harm with intent? That seems like a bit of a big thing to fail to
mention.
Probably on the advice from his legal team, trying to fight it may well
have resulted in a longer sentence than pleading guilty.
Jeff
On 20/03/2024 17:48, Pancho wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:46, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a
vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so
I think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to the
decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access to an
awful lot more evidence than we do.
It was clearly opinion, and hence not defamation.
Can you just explain that, please. It's clearly not in the same category
of opinion as "My MP is terrible".
On 21/03/2024 15:26, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:48, Pancho wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:46, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with a >>>>>> vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder, so
I think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming to
the decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had access
to an awful lot more evidence than we do.
It was clearly opinion, and hence not defamation.
Can you just explain that, please. It's clearly not in the same
category of opinion as "My MP is terrible".
No, not "clearly".
It is opinion in that the PP makes clear he is giving his interpretation
of the video, “What I see”. He is not suggesting he is basing the statement on additional facts.
It is an opinion that other “reasonable” people share. Roger and Me, for starters.
On 19/03/2024 18:22, GB wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68610723
"Police said driver Nikesh Mistry, 34, had forced the rider on to the
wrong side of the carriageway following a "non-verbal exchange" as the
pair exited Walton Roundabout in Milton Keynes on 19 November 2022.
The motorbike was pushed into the bridge railings, causing the rider to
come off and fall over the edge before the car collided with an oncoming
vehicle.
The rider of the motorcycle suffered serious injuries and was airlifted
to hospital, while the occupants of the cars were taken there by ambulance. >>
Mistry, of Groundsel Close, Walnut Tree, Milton Keynes, admitted two
counts of causing serious injury by dangerous driving and one count of
causing grievous bodily harm with intent.
He was jailed for four years and 10 months at Aylesbury Crown Court and
will need to take an extended driving test before getting his licence
back."
So, Mistry deliberately pushed the motorcyclist off his bike, and must
have come quite close to killing him.
No, watch the video, the rider was pushed into the railings as a result
of the collision between the 2 cars, it did not appear to be deliberate.
Jeff
On 22/03/2024 10:33, Pancho wrote:
On 21/03/2024 15:26, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:48, Pancho wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:46, GB wrote:
On 20/03/2024 17:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
I must be in the other half, what I see is attempted murder with >>>>>>> a vehicle
used as a weapon.
Well me too, but there are a lot of car fanatics about.
There was no mention in the news of a charge of attempted murder,
so I think we should avoid defaming Mr Mistry. The CPS, in coming
to the decision not to charge attempted murder, would have had
access to an awful lot more evidence than we do.
It was clearly opinion, and hence not defamation.
Can you just explain that, please. It's clearly not in the same
category of opinion as "My MP is terrible".
No, not "clearly".
It is opinion in that the PP makes clear he is giving his
interpretation of the video, “What I see”. He is not suggesting he is
basing the statement on additional facts.
Thanks for explaining where you are coming from on this. I'm not
qualified to agree or disagree with your interpretation of the law.
It is an opinion that other “reasonable” people share. Roger and Me,
for starters.
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