So perhaps if you write a social media post condemning Israel for its
actions in Gaza and saying that Jewish groups in the UK have a >disproportionate influence over our politicians, that could bar you from
many jobs perhaps permanently. On the other hand, if you say that those >marching to support Palestinian rights are hate marchers and useful
idiots, as silly Suella has done, it is doubtful whether that will damage >your career.
Is George Galloway an "extremist"? Quite a few politicians and media
pundits would say so. Do we want our politicians to be bland? Do we make
the journey to the polling station to vote for a person who has no strong >opinions or who keeps those opinions secret?
Am 04/03/2024 um 09:06 schrieb The Todal:
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of
regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal
subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
At least it is not moving towards kidnapping, raping and beheading like
Hamas have been doing.
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
Is George Galloway an "extremist"? Quite a few politicians and media pundits would say so. Do we want our politicians to be bland? Do we make
the journey to the polling station to vote for a person who has no
strong opinions or who keeps those opinions secret?
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
From the Times today:
quote
Ministers are to broaden the government’s definition of extremism as
part of a crackdown on people and groups “undermining” Britain’s institutions and values.
Rishi Sunak has asked Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, to
update the government’s definition of extremism, which was first set out more than a decade ago. It defines extremism as “vocal or active
opposition to fundamental British values” and is seen by the government
as no longer being fit for purpose.
A new definition, which is still being finalised, is expected to cover
those whose actions more broadly “undermine” the country’s institutions or values.
On 04/03/2024 in message <l4lh8tFs5tlU1@mid.individual.net> The Todal
wrote:
So perhaps if you write a social media post condemning Israel for its >>actions in Gaza and saying that Jewish groups in the UK have a >>disproportionate influence over our politicians, that could bar you
from many jobs perhaps permanently. On the other hand, if you say that >>those marching to support Palestinian rights are hate marchers and
useful idiots, as silly Suella has done, it is doubtful whether that
will damage your career.
Is George Galloway an "extremist"? Quite a few politicians and media >>pundits would say so. Do we want our politicians to be bland? Do we
make the journey to the polling station to vote for a person who has
no strong opinions or who keeps those opinions secret?
What I found most amusing about Sunak's speech was his statement that democracy was being undermined followed by strong criticism of the
result of a properly held democratic bye-election.
On 04/03/2024 in message <l4lh8tFs5tlU1@mid.individual.net> The Todal
wrote:
So perhaps if you write a social media post condemning Israel for its
actions in Gaza and saying that Jewish groups in the UK have a
disproportionate influence over our politicians, that could bar you
from many jobs perhaps permanently. On the other hand, if you say that
those marching to support Palestinian rights are hate marchers and
useful idiots, as silly Suella has done, it is doubtful whether that
will damage your career.
Is George Galloway an "extremist"? Quite a few politicians and media
pundits would say so. Do we want our politicians to be bland? Do we
make the journey to the polling station to vote for a person who has
no strong opinions or who keeps those opinions secret?
What I found most amusing about Sunak's speech was his statement that democracy was being undermined followed by strong criticism of the
result of a properly held democratic bye-election.
One of the best ways to uphold democracy would be to ban all forms of lobbying and membership of lobbying groups, some of whom seem to have
the power to tell our MPs what to do.
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
From the Times today:
quote
Ministers are to broaden the government’s definition of extremism as
part of a crackdown on people and groups “undermining” Britain’s institutions and values.
Rishi Sunak has asked Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, to
update the government’s definition of extremism, which was first set out more than a decade ago. It defines extremism as “vocal or active
opposition to fundamental British values” and is seen by the government
as no longer being fit for purpose.
A new definition, which is still being finalised, is expected to cover
those whose actions more broadly “undermine” the country’s institutions or values.
The postal vote in Rochdale was a whopping 43 percent of the total.
Postal votes are open to "vote harvesting" and the unusual proportion of >postal votes here is concerning.
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 18:07:35 GMT, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
The postal vote in Rochdale was a whopping 43 percent of the total.
Postal votes are open to "vote harvesting" and the unusual proportion
of postal votes here is concerning.
Overall turnout was very low for a Parliamentary election. And the
lower the turnout, the higher the proportion of postal voters tends to
be, because postal voters are more likely to vote.
Mark
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 09:06:37 +0000, The Todal wrote:
Our government seems to be moving gradually towards Putin's policy of
regarding vocal opposition to the government's policies as criminal
subversion. Or maybe I'm exaggerating?
From the Times today:
quote
Ministers are to broaden the government’s definition of extremism as
part of a crackdown on people and groups “undermining” Britain’s
institutions and values.
Rishi Sunak has asked Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, to
update the government’s definition of extremism, which was first set out >> more than a decade ago. It defines extremism as “vocal or active
opposition to fundamental British values” and is seen by the government
as no longer being fit for purpose.
A new definition, which is still being finalised, is expected to cover
those whose actions more broadly “undermine” the country’s institutions
or values.
The change is significant because groups or individuals deemed to be
extremist by ministers can be excluded from government and council
funding and barred from working with public bodies. Senior Whitehall
sources said that the announcement, expected later this month, would
include a list of groups that fell foul of the new definition, but added
that this was still being worked on and was “legally fraught”.
unquote
My moderately diligent trawl of legislation.gov.uk didn't find any prior definition of extremism; mainly just enablings of funding to combat it.
Its 'complement', "fundamental British values", seems always to be
expressed as an explicit formulaic enumeration rather than alone: eg
"5. The standard about the spiritual, moral, social and cultural
development of pupils at the school is met if the proprietor—
"(a) actively promotes the fundamental British values of democracy,
the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance
of those with different faiths and beliefs; ..."
from the Schedule to the Education (Independent School Standards)
Regulations 2014. SI 2014/3283
Which I suspect a majority would probably largely approve. Nothing
said explicitly about freedom of thought and speech and the exceptions thereto, though I presume they can all be deemed corollaries.
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