• They are kicking out the wrong immigrants

    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 17:40:29 2024
    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to pre-empt
    the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to mitigate
    risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way of a reminder,
    the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows people in the UK to
    bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. The most recently
    published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show that in September
    2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week to people under this
    scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’ extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next year, (described in
    this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses on this and it is clearly
    where the government would like attention to be, rather than on the
    immediate closure of the Ukraine Family Scheme. "



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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Tue Feb 20 11:30:00 2024
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to mitigate
    risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows people in the UK to
    bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. The most recently
    published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show that in September
    2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week to people under this
    scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’ extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next year, (described in
    this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses on this and it is clearly
    where the government would like attention to be, rather than on the
    immediate closure of the Ukraine Family Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin
    reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like being
    called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and is odd
    as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Tue Feb 20 14:16:35 2024
    In message <ur22fn$2fe8k$2@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:


    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shu >>ts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss& >>utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-fami >>ly-scheme-without-notice
    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the >>Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to >>mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way
    of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows
    people in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here.
    The most recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show
    that in September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week to >>people under this scheme.
    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’
    extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next
    year, (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission >>Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also
    focusses on this and it is clearly where the government would like >>attention to be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine >>Family Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin >reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like being >called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and is odd
    as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).

    The Ukrainian/Russian name is (logically, I suppose) simply Ukrainia (ook-ra-eena), which we would (logically) pronounce as you-crane-ee-a.
    --
    Ian
    Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 14:47:11 2024
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to
    mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way of
    a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows people in
    the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. The most
    recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show that in
    September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week to people
    under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’ extension
    of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next year,
    (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission Extension” >> scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses on this and it
    is clearly where the government would like attention to be, rather
    than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and is odd
    as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).


    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian?

    It's not the kind of people we really want post-Brexit, is it?


    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Feb 22 14:25:08 2024
    On 20/02/2024 14:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to
    mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way of
    a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows people
    in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. The most
    recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show that in
    September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week to people
    under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’ extension
    of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next year,
    (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission
    Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses on >>> this and it is clearly where the government would like attention to
    be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin
    reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like
    being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and
    is odd as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).


    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian?

    They're just not all that special, just because Putin doesn't like them.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 18:22:50 2024
    Am 22/02/2024 um 14:25 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 20/02/2024 14:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to
    mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way
    of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows
    people in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here.
    The most recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show
    that in September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week
    to people under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’
    extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next
    year, (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission
    Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses >>>> on this and it is clearly where the government would like attention
    to be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family
    Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin
    reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like
    being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and
    is odd as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).


    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian?

    They're just not all that special, just because Putin doesn't like them.


    We know they are genuine refugees and not economic migrants with no
    background information.

    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Thu Feb 22 19:16:30 2024
    On 22 Feb 2024 at 18:22:50 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 22/02/2024 um 14:25 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 20/02/2024 14:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the
    Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to
    mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way >>>>> of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows
    people in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here.
    The most recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show >>>>> that in September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week
    to people under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’
    extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next
    year, (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission
    Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses >>>>> on this and it is clearly where the government would like attention
    to be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family
    Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin
    reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of
    chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like
    being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and
    is odd as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language).


    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian?

    They're just not all that special, just because Putin doesn't like them.


    We know they are genuine refugees and not economic migrants with no background information.

    I don't know if this will come as a surprise to you, but the last thing this government and its grass-roots supporters want is *more* genuine refugees!

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Thu Feb 22 20:28:45 2024
    On 22/02/2024 19:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2024 at 18:22:50 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 22/02/2024 um 14:25 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 20/02/2024 14:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the >>>>>> Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to >>>>>> mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way >>>>>> of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows
    people in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. >>>>>> The most recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show >>>>>> that in September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week >>>>>> to people under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’
    extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next
    year, (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission >>>>>> Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses >>>>>> on this and it is clearly where the government would like attention >>>>>> to be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family
    Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin >>>>> reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of >>>>> chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like
    being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and >>>>> is odd as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language). >>>>>

    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian? >>>
    They're just not all that special, just because Putin doesn't like them. >>>

    We know they are genuine refugees and not economic migrants with no
    background information.

    I don't know if this will come as a surprise to you, but the last thing this government and its grass-roots supporters want is *more* genuine refugees!

    Yet it has an affinity to migrants. With more than ever before.

    http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/assets/6c38dae4-8477-4661-a860-fc19199ac765.png
    From:
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/

    Also Figure 3:

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

    I suppose as long as the boats capture the Daily Mail's imagination all
    is good for the Tories.

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 12:23:06 2024
    Am 22/02/2024 um 19:16 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 22 Feb 2024 at 18:22:50 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 22/02/2024 um 14:25 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 20/02/2024 14:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Am 20/02/2024 um 11:30 schrieb Max Demian:
    On 19/02/2024 17:40, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://freemovement.org.uk/statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=statement-of-changes-hc-556-home-office-shuts-ukraine-family-scheme-without-notice


    "The explanatory memorandum says that the immediate closure of the >>>>>> Ukraine Family Scheme was to “prevent a rush of applications to
    pre-empt the changes to the rules which have, in part, been made to >>>>>> mitigate risks of misuse of the generosity of the schemes”. By way >>>>>> of a reminder, the Ukraine Family Scheme is the one that allows
    people in the UK to bring Ukrainian family members to safety here. >>>>>> The most recently published quarterly statistics (table UVS_02) show >>>>>> that in September 2023 the UK was granting around 100 visas a week >>>>>> to people under this scheme.

    Over the weekend, various papers reported on the 18 months’
    extension of leave that Ukrainians will be able to apply for next
    year, (described in this Economic Note as the “Ukraine Permission >>>>>> Extension” scheme). The Minister’s written statement also focusses >>>>>> on this and it is clearly where the government would like attention >>>>>> to be, rather than on the immediate closure of the Ukraine Family
    Scheme. "

    Welcoming the Ukrainians into this country was a knee jerk anti Putin >>>>> reaction on the assumption that the Ukrainian war would be over by
    Christmas (or even Easter) 2022.

    Most British people would only have heard of Ukraine as the origin of >>>>> chicken Kiev (which probably isn't even a Ukrainian dish).

    The only other thing I knew about Ukraine is that they don't like
    being called *The* Ukraine. This was also true in the Soviet era (and >>>>> is odd as there isn't a definite article in the Ukrainian language). >>>>>

    Ok, you've convinced me now. It was indeed right to kick them out.

    Or is it just because they are a little bit too white and too Christian? >>>
    They're just not all that special, just because Putin doesn't like them. >>>

    We know they are genuine refugees and not economic migrants with no
    background information.

    I don't know if this will come as a surprise to you, but the last thing this government and its grass-roots supporters want is *more* genuine refugees!


    Glad I am not the only one thinking that.

    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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