• The EU opens formal proceedings against TikTok, why can't the UK?

    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 14:18:07 2024
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess whether
    TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in areas linked
    to the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access for researchers, as well as the risk management of addictive design and
    harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report sent
    by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act."

    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable negative effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system, including
    algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural addictions and/ or
    create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such assessment is required to counter potential risks for the exercise of the fundamental right to the person's physical and mental well-being, the respect of the rights of
    the child as well as its impact on radicalisation processes.
    Furthermore, the mitigation measures in place in this respect, notably
    age verification tools used by TikTok to prevent access by minors to inappropriate content, may not be reasonable, proportionate and effective;"

    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From nick@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Mon Feb 19 16:14:12 2024
    Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess whether TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in areas linked
    to the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access for researchers, as well as the risk management of addictive design and
    harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report sent
    by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act."

    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable negative effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system, including
    algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural addictions and/ or
    create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such assessment is required to counter potential risks for the exercise of the fundamental right to the person's physical and mental well-being, the respect of the rights of
    the child as well as its impact on radicalisation processes.
    Furthermore, the mitigation measures in place in this respect, notably
    age verification tools used by TikTok to prevent access by minors to inappropriate content, may not be reasonable, proportionate and effective;"

    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

    But... but.... but.....

    We have the Online Safety Act and we were promised that because it is
    British, it would be far more effective than any of that foreign legislation. https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/

    What could possibly be wrong?

    Nick

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 20:54:23 2024
    On 19 Feb 2024 at 16:14:12 GMT, "nick" <nick> wrote:

    Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess whether
    TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in areas linked
    to the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access for
    researchers, as well as the risk management of addictive design and
    harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report sent
    by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act."

    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and
    mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable negative
    effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system, including
    algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural addictions and/ or
    create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such assessment is required to
    counter potential risks for the exercise of the fundamental right to the
    person's physical and mental well-being, the respect of the rights of
    the child as well as its impact on radicalisation processes.
    Furthermore, the mitigation measures in place in this respect, notably
    age verification tools used by TikTok to prevent access by minors to
    inappropriate content, may not be reasonable, proportionate and effective;"

    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

    But... but.... but.....

    We have the Online Safety Act and we were promised that because it is British, it would be far more effective than any of that foreign legislation. https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/

    What could possibly be wrong?

    Nick

    This does seem to be part of an American move to disable TikTok, which they don't like because it is Chinese. Is it really any worse than Snapchat, Twitter (which has few controls and those changed from day to day by Elon
    Musk) Instagram and Facebook?

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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 17:26:54 2024
    Am 19/02/2024 um 16:14 schrieb nick:
    Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess
    whether TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in
    areas linked to the protection of minors, advertising transparency,
    data access for researchers, as well as the risk management of
    addictive design and harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report
    sent by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act."

    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and
    mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable
    negative effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system,
    including algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural
    addictions and/ or create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such
    assessment is required to counter potential risks for the exercise of
    the fundamental right to the person's physical and mental well-being,
    the respect of the rights of the child as well as its impact on
    radicalisation processes. Furthermore, the mitigation measures in
    place in this respect, notably age verification tools used by TikTok
    to prevent access by minors to inappropriate content, may not be
    reasonable, proportionate and effective;"

    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

    But... but.... but.....

    We have the Online Safety Act and we were promised that because it is British, it would be far more effective than any of that foreign
    legislation. https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/

    What could possibly be wrong?

    Nick


    Brexit apart, would I be wrong in saying the British government (any government, whether Tory or Lab) would think twice before going the
    Chinese lobby? Because in the USA, if you dare criticize Tiktok, you are automatically labelled as anti-Asian racist white pig.

    Whereas the Europeans don't seem seem to have this deferential attitude.

    But, what do I know?


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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 02:55:17 2024
    According to Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com>:
    Chinese lobby? Because in the USA, if you dare criticize Tiktok, you are >automatically labelled as anti-Asian racist white pig.

    Hi, American here, and let me just say that statement is wildly
    inconsistent with reality.

    In 34 of the 50 US states, government employees are forbidden to use
    Tiktok on government devices. One state, Montana, has banned it
    outright although for reasons related to our First Amendment and rules
    against state (rather than federal) regulation of commerce, that law
    is likely to be struck down by courts.

    Way more details than anyone cares about here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_TikTok_in_the_United_States

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    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 09:32:17 2024
    Am 19/02/2024 um 20:54 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 19 Feb 2024 at 16:14:12 GMT, "nick" <nick> wrote:

    Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess whether >>> TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in areas linked
    to the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access for
    researchers, as well as the risk management of addictive design and
    harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report sent >>> by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act."

    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and
    mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable negative >>> effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system, including
    algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural addictions and/ or
    create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such assessment is required to >>> counter potential risks for the exercise of the fundamental right to the >>> person's physical and mental well-being, the respect of the rights of
    the child as well as its impact on radicalisation processes.
    Furthermore, the mitigation measures in place in this respect, notably
    age verification tools used by TikTok to prevent access by minors to
    inappropriate content, may not be reasonable, proportionate and effective;" >>
    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

    But... but.... but.....

    We have the Online Safety Act and we were promised that because it is
    British, it would be far more effective than any of that foreign legislation.
    https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/

    What could possibly be wrong?

    Nick

    This does seem to be part of an American move to disable TikTok, which they don't like because it is Chinese. Is it really any worse than Snapchat, Twitter (which has few controls and those changed from day to day by Elon Musk) Instagram and Facebook?


    You are asking if AIDS is worse than Ebola. Whataboutism?

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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Tue Feb 20 11:21:38 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024 at 09:32:17 GMT, "Ottavio Caruso" <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Am 19/02/2024 um 20:54 schrieb Roger Hayter:
    On 19 Feb 2024 at 16:14:12 GMT, "nick" <nick> wrote:

    Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_926

    "The European Commission has opened formal proceedings to assess whether >>>> TikTok may have breached the Digital Services Act (DSA) in areas linked >>>> to the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access for >>>> researchers, as well as the risk management of addictive design and
    harmful content.

    On the basis of the preliminary investigation conducted so far,
    including on the basis of an analysis of the risk assessment report sent >>>> by TikTok in September 2023, as well as TikTok's replies to the
    Commission's formal Requests for Information (on illegal content,
    protection of minors, and data access), the Commission has decided to
    open formal proceedings against TikTok under the Digital Services Act." >>>
    "The compliance with the DSA obligations related to the assessment and >>>> mitigation of systemic risks, in terms of actual or foreseeable negative >>>> effects stemming from the design of TikTok's system, including
    algorithmic systems, that may stimulate behavioural addictions and/ or >>>> create so-called ‘rabbit hole effects'. Such assessment is required to >>>> counter potential risks for the exercise of the fundamental right to the >>>> person's physical and mental well-being, the respect of the rights of
    the child as well as its impact on radicalisation processes.
    Furthermore, the mitigation measures in place in this respect, notably >>>> age verification tools used by TikTok to prevent access by minors to
    inappropriate content, may not be reasonable, proportionate and effective;"

    As usual it seem the UK seems to tolerate if not even foster these
    behaviour from rogue and dodgy platforms.

    But... but.... but.....

    We have the Online Safety Act and we were promised that because it is
    British, it would be far more effective than any of that foreign legislation.
    https://www.wired.com/story/the-uks-controversial-online-safety-act-is-now-law/

    What could possibly be wrong?

    Nick

    This does seem to be part of an American move to disable TikTok, which they >> don't like because it is Chinese. Is it really any worse than Snapchat,
    Twitter (which has few controls and those changed from day to day by Elon
    Musk) Instagram and Facebook?


    You are asking if AIDS is worse than Ebola. Whataboutism?

    Not really. I am saying the attack on TikTok is part of US promoted economic warfare, and not a great deal to do with what TikTok actually does.

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    Roger Hayter

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