• Re: Daily Express registered with Royal Mail as a newspaper

    From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to notyalckram@gmail.com on Thu Feb 15 16:59:31 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:19:58 -0800 (PST), "notya...@gmail.com" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

    The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on the Up!"".
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/_132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

    This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially in recession.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest

    Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for mailing purposes?

    Any regular publication can be registed with the Royal Mail as a
    'newspaper.' That's how they get discounts for bulk mailing. I used to
    edit a quarterly magazine and the society benefitted from the
    Periodical Publishers' Association's contract with RM.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Thu Feb 15 17:29:55 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:59:31 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:19:58 -0800 (PST), "notya...@gmail.com" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

    The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on
    the Up!"".
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/ _132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

    This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially
    in recession. >>https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/ gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest

    Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for >>mailing purposes?

    Any regular publication can be registed with the Royal Mail as a
    'newspaper.' That's how they get discounts for bulk mailing. I used to
    edit a quarterly magazine and the society benefitted from the Periodical Publishers' Association's contract with RM.

    Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Sat Feb 17 14:26:49 2024
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 17:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
    <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:



    Any regular publication can be registed with the Royal Mail as a
    'newspaper.' That's how they get discounts for bulk mailing. I used to
    edit a quarterly magazine and the society benefitted from the Periodical
    Publishers' Association's contract with RM.

    Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?

    Not when I was involved. I shouldn't think RM would care.

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Sat Feb 17 14:59:53 2024
    "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote in message news:uqlhmj$3cvb6$2@dont-email.me...

    Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?

    This would only apply to publications not already registered
    as newspapers.


    quote:

    Post Office Act 1908
    (1)For the purpose of the registration of newspapers under this Act, any publication consisting wholly or in great part of political or other news,
    or of articles relating thereto, or ' to other current topics, with or
    without advertisements, shall be deemed a newspaper; subject to these conditions-

    (a)that it be printed and published in the British Islands ;

    (b)that it be published in numbers at intervals of not more than seven days ;

    (c)that it have the full title and date of publication printed at the top
    of the first page, and the whole or part of the title and the date of publication
    printed at the top of every subsequent page.

    [...]

    Registration of newspapers at Post Office

    (1)The proprietor or printer of any newspaper within the description aforesaid,


    and the proprietor or printer of any publication which, regard being had to
    the proportion of advertisements to other matter therein, is not within the description aforesaid,

    but which was stamped as a newspaper before the fifteenth day of June one thousand eight hundred and fifty-five, may register it at the
    General Post Office in London, at such time in each year and in such form
    and with such particulars as the Postmaster-General directs, paying on
    each registration such fee not exceeding five shillings as Post Office regulations
    direct.

    (2)The Postmaster-General may from time to time revise the register and remove therefrom
    any publication not being a newspaper.

    :unquote

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/8/48/crossheading/newspapers/enacted


    Although according to this, the system was set to be axed 21 years ago

    quote:
    UK Royal Mail newspaper service to be axed
    Nov 24, 2003 | News | 0

    The Royal Mail has confirmed plans to scrap a service allowing newspapers to be sent
    first-class for the price of second-class postage.

    The Newspaper Registration Service was established about 150 years ago to promote
    literacy and freedom of information across the United Kingdom.

    https://postandparcel.info/9536/news/uk-royal-mail-newspaper-service-to-be-axed/


    bb

    *As distinct from the Newspaper Libel and Registration Act 1881

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to notya...@gmail.com on Sun Feb 18 16:07:46 2024
    On 18/02/2024 07:28, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday 17 February 2024 at 16:44:51 UTC, billy bookcase wrote:

    The headline in the Daily Express this morning was "We're [Britain] on the Up!"".
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C387/production/_132655005_dailyexpress-nc.png.webp

    This is on the same day that ONS has announced that the UK is officially in recession.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/latest

    Can a comic like this or Viz be legally registered as a Newspaper for mailing purposes?


    "Jethro_uk" <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote in message
    news:uqlhmj$3cvb6$2...@dont-email.me...

    Isn't there some sort of criteria of %age of adverts ?
    This would only apply to publications not already registered
    as newspapers.


    quote:

    Post Office Act 1908
    (1)For the purpose of the registration of newspapers under this Act, any
    publication consisting wholly or in great part of political or other news, >> or of articles relating thereto, or ' to other current topics, with or
    without advertisements, shall be deemed a newspaper; subject to these
    conditions-

    (a)that it be printed and published in the British Islands ;

    (b)that it be published in numbers at intervals of not more than seven days ;

    (c)that it have the full title and date of publication printed at the top
    of the first page, and the whole or part of the title and the date of publication
    printed at the top of every subsequent page.

    [...]

    Registration of newspapers at Post Office

    (1)The proprietor or printer of any newspaper within the description aforesaid,


    and the proprietor or printer of any publication which, regard being had to >> the proportion of advertisements to other matter therein, is not within the >> description aforesaid,

    but which was stamped as a newspaper before the fifteenth day of June one
    thousand eight hundred and fifty-five, may register it at the
    General Post Office in London, at such time in each year and in such form
    and with such particulars as the Postmaster-General directs, paying on
    each registration such fee not exceeding five shillings as Post Office regulations
    direct.

    (2)The Postmaster-General may from time to time revise the register and remove therefrom
    any publication not being a newspaper.

    :unquote

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/8/48/crossheading/newspapers/enacted


    Although according to this, the system was set to be axed 21 years ago

    quote:
    UK Royal Mail newspaper service to be axed
    Nov 24, 2003 | News | 0

    The Royal Mail has confirmed plans to scrap a service allowing newspapers to be sent
    first-class for the price of second-class postage.

    The Newspaper Registration Service was established about 150 years ago to promote
    literacy and freedom of information across the United Kingdom.

    https://postandparcel.info/9536/news/uk-royal-mail-newspaper-service-to-be-axed/


    bb

    *As distinct from the Newspaper Libel and Registration Act 1881

    Thank you. The point remains that if a "journal" publishes stuff that completely contradicts reality then is it entitled to keep its registration as a newspaper?

    Well, yes. Both The Guardian and the Daily Mirror still manage to be
    classified as "news"papers, even though neither of them carries much
    actual news.

    Obviously we have a free press, so The Express can publish outright lies [as above], but should it be enabled to benefit from discounts provided to genuine newspapers as opposed to propaganda?

    Seriously?

    You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and
    space in which the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the
    Maxwell press) exist?

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Feb 20 12:49:06 2024
    "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote in message news:l3fddiFl32jU1@mid.individual.net...

    You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and space in which
    the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?

    The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
    fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?

    I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.


    bb











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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Tue Feb 20 13:38:51 2024
    On 20/02/2024 06:49, billy bookcase wrote:

    "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:

    You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and space in which
    the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?

    The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
    fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?
    I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.

    Mad Ken was still going on about the Daily Mail's alleged early 1930s
    support for Hitler* right up until he was defeated by Boris. Thereafter,
    we heard rather less from him (Mad Ken).

    [* Up until the second half of that decade, it would have been churlish
    not to have some admiration for the way in which Hitler and his party
    had changed Germany's fortunes for the better.]

    Maxwell MP (Labour) was famous for other things as well as being the
    owner of the Mirror.

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Feb 20 20:04:45 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:38:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 06:49, billy bookcase wrote:

    "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:

    You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and
    space in which
    the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?

    The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
    fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?
    I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.

    Mad Ken was still going on about the Daily Mail's alleged early 1930s
    support for Hitler* right up until he was defeated by Boris. Thereafter,
    we heard rather less from him (Mad Ken).

    [* Up until the second half of that decade, it would have been churlish
    not to have some admiration for the way in which Hitler and his party
    had changed Germany's fortunes for the better.]

    Only if one either knew nothing about what was going on in Germany or was an admirer of fascism. Dachau, for instance, was set up for political prisoners
    in 1933. Storm troopers, the Brownshirts, were used against political rivals, intellectual rivals and Jews from 1921. Other totalitarian acts are, as they say, history.




    Maxwell MP (Labour) was famous for other things as well as being the
    owner of the Mirror.


    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Tue Feb 20 14:34:27 2024
    On 20/02/2024 14:04, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 20 Feb 2024 at 19:38:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 06:49, billy bookcase wrote:

    "JNugent" <jennings&co@mail.com> wrote:

    You think the Daily Express is the worst for that, in the same time and >>>> space in which
    the The Graun (the tax exile press) and the Mirror (the Maxwell press) exist?

    The Maxwell Press being newspapers owned by the same Robert Maxwell who
    fell / jumped./ was pushed off his yacht in 1991 ?
    I'd imagine they'd be a bit soggy by now.

    Mad Ken was still going on about the Daily Mail's alleged early 1930s
    support for Hitler* right up until he was defeated by Boris. Thereafter,
    we heard rather less from him (Mad Ken).

    [* Up until the second half of that decade, it would have been churlish
    not to have some admiration for the way in which Hitler and his party
    had changed Germany's fortunes for the better.]

    Only if one either knew nothing about what was going on in Germany or was an admirer of fascism. Dachau, for instance, was set up for political prisoners in 1933. Storm troopers, the Brownshirts, were used against political rivals, intellectual rivals and Jews from 1921. Other totalitarian acts are, as they say, history.

    Hence the carefully-constructed phrase "some admiration".

    Not everyone who admired Hitler was a supporter.

    Read "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie".

    Despite the inability of some to admit it, not everything in 1920s and
    1930s Italy and 1930s Germany, was bad news. Just some of it. And is
    there a single country in the worls of which that could not have been said?

    Maxwell MP (Labour) was famous for other things as well as being the
    owner of the Mirror.

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