I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether
the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still
apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67993306
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:53:06 +0000, nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether
the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're correct about the target of the legislation.
On 2024-01-31, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:53:06 +0000, nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether
the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still
apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're
correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether
the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>> apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
And also already have much more influence than a single vote would give them.
On 2024-01-31, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:53:06 +0000, nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether
the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the >>>Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're
correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
On 31/01/2024 01:14 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>> the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>> apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
And also already have much more influence than a single vote would give them.
If that's the case (and I think we can agree that it would, at a
minimum, not be uncontroversial), would there be a body of opinion to
the effect that once someone's personal worth (measured in pounds
sterling) was greater than a specified amount, they should not be
allowed a vote anyway, whether abroad or in the United Kingdom?
That would be a logical extension to the view that for some reason.
those living abroad, for longer than fifteen elapsed years, should not
get the vote because they already - and allegedly - have more influence*
than a single vote might gain for them?
On 31/01/2024 01:14 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>> the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>> apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the
Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
And also already have much more influence than a single vote would give them.
If that's the case (and I think we can agree that it would, at a minimum, not be
uncontroversial), would there be a body of opinion to the effect that once someone's
personal worth (measured in pounds sterling) was greater than a specified amount, they
should not be allowed a vote anyway, whether abroad or in the United Kingdom?
That would be a logical extension to the view that for some reason. those living
abroad, for longer than fifteen elapsed years, should not get the vote because they
already - and allegedly - have more influence* than a single vote might gain for them?
[* With "influence" presumably meaning influence over political policies, whether
government or opposition.]
On 2024-01-31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:53:06 +0000, nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote: >>>>I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't >>>>prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the >>>>Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
You're probably right about the motivation (although the voting ID requirement backfired on them), but I think it is nonetheless the
right thing to do.
On 2024-01-31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2024-01-31, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:53:06 +0000, nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote: >>>>I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't >>>>prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't
the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the >>>>Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
You're probably right about the motivation (although the voting ID >requirement backfired on them), but I think it is nonetheless the
right thing to do.
On 31 Jan 2024 at 14:54:17 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
On 31/01/2024 01:14 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:That reads as incomprehensible nonsense to me. The logic of *not* giving the vote to people abroad for a long time was presumably that they no longer had an interest in UK affairs and were not contributing to them. The logic of changing that is that it is unfair and irrational to deprive them of a vote.
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>>> the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>>> apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't >>>>>> the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the >>>>>> Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>>>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
And also already have much more influence than a single vote would give them.
If that's the case (and I think we can agree that it would, at a
minimum, not be uncontroversial), would there be a body of opinion to
the effect that once someone's personal worth (measured in pounds
sterling) was greater than a specified amount, they should not be
allowed a vote anyway, whether abroad or in the United Kingdom?
That would be a logical extension to the view that for some reason.
those living abroad, for longer than fifteen elapsed years, should not
get the vote because they already - and allegedly - have more influence*
than a single vote might gain for them?
The discussion of rich expatriates was in my view anyway to discount them as irrelevant to the vast majority of expatriates, and probably uninterested in voting. Where you get the idea that expatriates should not have the vote *because* some of them are rich I do not know. Certainly no-one in this thread
has suggested it.
"JNugent" <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote in message news:l1v58pFuf73U1@mid.individual.net...
On 31/01/2024 01:14 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
"Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
nickodell49@yahoo.ca (nick) wrote:
I don't think we've done this one before, have we?
A British citizen, resident overseas has contacted me to ask whether >>>>>> the new rules about voting in UK General Elections from overseas still >>>>>> apply if they have dual citizenship.
I told them that I presumed so because dual citizenship shouldn't
prevent someone from voting in Dear Old Blighty and besides, aren't >>>>>> the target voters^w donors probably dual citizens of Bermuda or the >>>>>> Cayman Islands (other tax havens are available)?
Would I have been correct?
You're correct that dual citizenship is irrelevant. I don't think you're >>>>> correct about the target of the legislation.
Obviously - the target is the "stupid" Tory vote, rather than the
"rich" Tory vote. The latter group isn't big enough to be important.
And also already have much more influence than a single vote would give them.
If that's the case (and I think we can agree that it would, at a minimum, not be
uncontroversial), would there be a body of opinion to the effect that once someone's
personal worth (measured in pounds sterling) was greater than a specified amount, they
should not be allowed a vote anyway, whether abroad or in the United Kingdom?
What has wealth got to do with anything ?
The influence a single vote
might have, is primarily dependent on the nature of the constituency.
a) In a highly marginal constituency the votes of supporters of either of the main competing parties are clearly far more influential than the votes
of supporters of either party in what are normally considered
safe seats, where the result can be taken for granted.
That would be a logical extension to the view that for some reason. those living
abroad, for longer than fifteen elapsed years, should not get the vote because they
already - and allegedly - have more influence* than a single vote might gain for them?
[* With "influence" presumably meaning influence over political policies, whether
government or opposition.]
What might be a "logical view" would be that any party which had
so disadvantaged expatriates by enacting Brexit might try and curry
favour by enacting a fairly meaningless policy in the interests of "fairness"; which given a) above, is unlikely to have any real impact
unless expatriates originally lived in what are now marginal
constituencies
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