• Finding an elephant, was Re: ANPR and reality.

    From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Tue Dec 19 23:04:47 2023
    On 19/12/2023 21:27, billy bookcase wrote:
    ....
    I didn't even need to go to Regents Park. When I was about 5 or 6 we
    used to live in an upstairs flat in an ordinary suburban road in West
    London. Edwardian semis and terraces. This was similar to 4 or 5 parallel side roads leading to bigger roads at either end. One day I just happened
    to be looking out the window when I saw an elephant being led down the
    road. I can't remember anyone rushing out of their houses to look at
    him, or her, or anything.
    ISTR being told later that he'd been on his way to a local pub
    which was situated on a major road and had a very large beer garden and
    put on events. Measuring on Google Maps the nearest Western Region
    Station is less than a mile away in one direction and the pub less
    than a mile away in the other. Unfortunately I've never been able to
    find any confirmation, for any of this most unlikely event, but I
    can still picture it to this day.

    It is certainly something that would stick in the memory. Were I trying
    to research it, I would look at the British Newspaper Archives:

    https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

    You know where it happened, the name of the pub and roughly when. A
    search on the pub name and elephant in the local newspaper(s) around
    that time might throw up something. It is the sort of thing that a local
    rag might cover and the site allows you to do a lot of searching for
    free. I think they even allow limited downloads without taking out a subscription.

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Dec 20 08:57:19 2023
    "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in message news:tTCdnVxLb6y5vB_4nZ2dnZeNn_Rg4p2d@giganews.com...
    On 19/12/2023 21:27, billy bookcase wrote:
    ....
    I didn't even need to go to Regents Park. When I was about 5 or 6 we
    used to live in an upstairs flat in an ordinary suburban road in West
    London. Edwardian semis and terraces. This was similar to 4 or 5 parallel
    side roads leading to bigger roads at either end. One day I just happened
    to be looking out the window when I saw an elephant being led down the
    road. I can't remember anyone rushing out of their houses to look at
    him, or her, or anything.
    ISTR being told later that he'd been on his way to a local pub
    which was situated on a major road and had a very large beer garden and
    put on events. Measuring on Google Maps the nearest Western Region
    Station is less than a mile away in one direction and the pub less
    than a mile away in the other. Unfortunately I've never been able to
    find any confirmation, for any of this most unlikely event, but I
    can still picture it to this day.

    It is certainly something that would stick in the memory. Were I trying to research it,
    I would look at the British Newspaper Archives:

    https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

    You know where it happened, the name of the pub and roughly when.
    A search on the pub name and elephant in the local newspaper(s)
    around that time might throw up something.
    It is the sort of thing that a local rag might cover and the site
    allows you to do a lot of searching for free. I think they even
    allow limited downloads without taking out
    a subscription.

    Thank you very much for that tip.

    Just the name of the Pub, verified from a 1960's Kemps Directory
    (its now the Harvester Royal) the name of the road, and "elephant"
    did the trick.

    quote:

    The new lodger a circus elephant looked In the customers when he
    arrived on Sunday at the Royal Hotel Boston-road Hanwell where he
    will stay for three weeks

    Published: Saturday 06 December 1952
    Newspaper: Middlesex County Times
    County: London, England

    unquote

    I even got the age right

    He possibly belonged to Billy Smart who originally had local
    connections ( A family removal firm is still in business )
    and by the 50's ran one of the largest circuses in
    Europe with a menagerie based in Berkshire which by 1960
    included 15 elephants; which he rented out in the winter
    off-season. Unlike Bertram Mills, whose descendants continued
    to run shows over the Christmas season at Olympia every year.
    (So who's the circus expert all of a sudden, then)

    http://www.circopedia.org/Billy_Smart

    http://www.circopedia.org/Bertram_Mills

    Now all I need to do, is to find out the name of the elephant.



    bb

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Wed Dec 20 09:49:48 2023
    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote in message news:ulua9l$g8tr$1@dont-email.me...

    He possibly belonged to Billy Smart who originally had local
    connections ( A family removal firm is still in business )
    and by the 50's ran one of the largest circuses in
    Europe with a menagerie based in Berkshire which by 1960
    included 15 elephants; which he rented out in the winter
    off-season. Unlike Bertram Mills, whose descendants continued
    to run shows over the Christmas season at Olympia every year.
    (So who's the circus expert all of a sudden, then)

    Or not as the case may be.

    Having finally read my own link, it appears that rather than
    shutting up shop entirely, "Billy Smart's Christmas Spectacular"
    along with "Billy Smart's Circus" was a regular feature on BBC TV
    on er Christmas Day for over a decade. Often following on directly
    from 'Er Indoors at 3.15. Ooops !

    ( I once knew a lad who lived a few doors away from their furnture
    removals business, who was always mentioning their connection to
    Billy Smart who I'd never really heard of. You live and learn)


    bb

    http://www.circopedia.org/Billy_Smart

    http://www.circopedia.org/Bertram_Mills

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Wed Dec 20 10:19:17 2023
    On 20/12/2023 08:57, billy bookcase wrote:
    "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in message news:tTCdnVxLb6y5vB_4nZ2dnZeNn_Rg4p2d@giganews.com...
    On 19/12/2023 21:27, billy bookcase wrote:
    ....
    I didn't even need to go to Regents Park. When I was about 5 or 6 we
    used to live in an upstairs flat in an ordinary suburban road in West
    London. Edwardian semis and terraces. This was similar to 4 or 5 parallel >>> side roads leading to bigger roads at either end. One day I just happened >>> to be looking out the window when I saw an elephant being led down the
    road. I can't remember anyone rushing out of their houses to look at
    him, or her, or anything.
    ISTR being told later that he'd been on his way to a local pub
    which was situated on a major road and had a very large beer garden and
    put on events. Measuring on Google Maps the nearest Western Region
    Station is less than a mile away in one direction and the pub less
    than a mile away in the other. Unfortunately I've never been able to
    find any confirmation, for any of this most unlikely event, but I
    can still picture it to this day.

    It is certainly something that would stick in the memory. Were I trying to research it,
    I would look at the British Newspaper Archives:

    https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

    You know where it happened, the name of the pub and roughly when.
    A search on the pub name and elephant in the local newspaper(s)
    around that time might throw up something.
    It is the sort of thing that a local rag might cover and the site
    allows you to do a lot of searching for free. I think they even
    allow limited downloads without taking out
    a subscription.

    Thank you very much for that tip.

    Pleased to help. I have found the archive very useful during my research
    into my family tree, although to appear in the newspapers, my ancestors
    usually had to end up in Court, although not always convicted. However,
    I also find myself wandering off course, reading other stories from the newspapers.

    Just the name of the Pub, verified from a 1960's Kemps Directory
    (its now the Harvester Royal) the name of the road, and "elephant"
    did the trick.

    quote:

    The new lodger a circus elephant looked In the customers when he
    arrived on Sunday at the Royal Hotel Boston-road Hanwell where he
    will stay for three weeks

    Published: Saturday 06 December 1952
    Newspaper: Middlesex County Times
    County: London, England

    unquote

    I even got the age right

    He possibly belonged to Billy Smart who originally had local
    connections ( A family removal firm is still in business )
    and by the 50's ran one of the largest circuses in
    Europe with a menagerie based in Berkshire which by 1960
    included 15 elephants; which he rented out in the winter
    off-season. Unlike Bertram Mills, whose descendants continued
    to run shows over the Christmas season at Olympia every year.
    (So who's the circus expert all of a sudden, then)

    http://www.circopedia.org/Billy_Smart

    http://www.circopedia.org/Bertram_Mills

    Now all I need to do, is to find out the name of the elephant.



    bb















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    Colin Bignell

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