Hi,neighbours front garden where he normally roams (these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or the street).
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next street. My cat was in a
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation.
As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence?
Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is there anything else?
Hi,neighbours front garden where he normally roams (these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or the street).
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next street. My cat was in a
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.it was their dog, but is there anything else?
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation. As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence? Obviously I need to prove
And you'll need to persuade them that this is a case they should pursue
On 30/11/2023 23:11, Jimzzr wrote:
Hi,
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next >> street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next >> street. My cat was in a neighbours front garden where he normally roams
(these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or >> the street).
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest
negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation.
As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but >> it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence?
Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is there anything else?
Mmm so the dog escaped but the cat was roaming.
why sue(seek damages) for EVERYTHING ? Animals will be animals .
On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 11:24:33 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:cat owner to keep his animal under control in a public place but there is on dog owners. Swings and roundabouts. Dogs usually have a greater potential to cause harm and the duty of care of the owner is accordingly higher.
On 1 Dec 2023 at 09:48:47 GMT, "soup" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:It's not an offence for a dog to kill at cat. It's damage to someones property. There's no legal requirement to report your dog killing a cat to the police or you running over a cat but there is if I run over a dog. Equally there's no requirement for a
On 30/11/2023 23:11, Jimzzr wrote:What we need is an urban environment so hostile to cats that, like American >> city dwellers, the owners keep them indoors or in a secure yard. Quite why >> cats are free to tease, torture and kill any small mammal or bird on anyone's
Hi,Mmm so the dog escaped but the cat was roaming.
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next >>>> street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next
street. My cat was in a neighbours front garden where he normally roams >>>> (these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or
the street).
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest
negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation.
As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but
it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence? >>>> Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is there anything else? >>>
why sue(seek damages) for EVERYTHING ? Animals will be animals .
property, but predation of cats, when on someone else's property, is somehow >> considered an offence I do not understand.
If the dog had attacked a person, or pet accompanying or under the control of
a person, I could understand the concern.
--
Roger Hayter
On 1 Dec 2023 at 09:48:47 GMT, "soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
On 30/11/2023 23:11, Jimzzr wrote:
Hi,
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next >>> street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next >>> street. My cat was in a neighbours front garden where he normally roams
(these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or >>> the street).
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest
negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation.
As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but >>> it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence?
Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is there anything else?
Mmm so the dog escaped but the cat was roaming.
why sue(seek damages) for EVERYTHING ? Animals will be animals .
What we need is an urban environment so hostile to cats that, like American city dwellers, the owners keep them indoors or in a secure yard. Quite why cats are free to tease, torture and kill any small mammal or bird on anyone's property, but predation of cats, when on someone else's property, is somehow considered an offence I do not understand.
If the dog had attacked a person, or pet accompanying or under the control of a person, I could understand the concern.
On 30/11/2023 23:11, Jimzzr wrote:
Hi,
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by aStaffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the
next street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in
the next street. My cat was in a neighbours front garden where he
normally roams (these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or the street).
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggestnegligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in thissituation. As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled
the dog off but it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no
criminal offence? Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is
there anything else?
Thanks
Jim
First and foremost, my sincerest condolences on the loss of your cat -
this must be both distressing and frustrating for you.
Rather than listening to advice from random strangers on the Internet, I would recommend that you read the NPCC's guidance issued to the police
for "Dealing with Dogs" as this will provide you with an excellent understanding of how the police deal with these matters, so you know
what to expect should you decide to report the matter to the police.
You can download a copy of the NPCC's "Dealing with Dogs" document here:
https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/publications/disclosure-logs/operations-coordination-committee/2023/march/057-2023-dealing-with-dd-guidance-notes-for-police_redacted.pdf
Similarly, you can read the CPS' guidance on the prosecution of offences involving dangerous dogs here:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/dangerous-dog-offences
Unfortunately, I must disagree with the advice proffered elsewhere in
the thread by poster Norman Wells as his interpretation of your
circumstances seems to have neglected to take into account the effect of
case law that applies in these circumstances, namely, Sansom v Chief Constable of Kent (1981) (You can read the case in full here: https://crimeline.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/sansom.pdf)
Summarising the case, Ms Sansom's dog, of previous good character, got
into the garden of her next door neighbour, Mr Barnes, who kept tame
rabbits in hutches. The dog opened one of the hutches and killed two
white rabbits in the hutch. The matter before the court was did this
course of events make the dog a "dangerous dog", with all the legal implications thereof?
The court's answer was, unfortunately for you, no it did not. This was
a single isolated incident and, (N.B. the following phrase is used a lot
when referring to the case), "it is in the very nature of dogs to chase, wound and kill other little animals."
Another quote from the Sansom case is: "I have very great sympathy with
Mr. Barnes in the loss of his tame rabbits, but I would consider it to
be straining language too far to attach for that one incident the
permanent label of "dangerous" to this dog. In my view, as I said at the beginning, he was on this occasion a bad dog and dogs are apt to be bad."
In short, a single incident of a dog killing an animal smaller than
itself is unlikely to attract the attention of the police and it would,
I suggest, be difficult in the extreme to sue successfully the owner for
a criminal offence under the Dangerous Dogs Act.
You asked about the possibility of launching a civil suit against the
owner for the cost of your vet's bill and this is possible, but by no
means certain. (In the Sansom case, the court gave consideration to Mr Barnes suing or endeavouring to sue Ms Sansom and the conclusion was
that Mr Barnes "would never get his claim on its feet.") However, teach case turns on it own facts and merit so this may not apply in your case.
On 1 Dec 2023 at 09:48:47 GMT, "soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
On 30/11/2023 23:11, Jimzzr wrote:
Hi,
My cat was recently injured and subsequently died from an attack by a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier that had escaped from a back garden in the next >>> street via a gate that was either not locked or became unlocked in the next >>> street. My cat was in a neighbours front garden where he normally roams
(these front gardens are open plan with no fencing either between houses or >>> the street).
The dog was clearly not under the owners control and I would suggest
negligent in not ensuring the gate was secure.
Do I have a good civil case for damages (ca £2k vet bills) in this situation.
As far as I can tell there is no criminal offence. I pulled the dog off but >>> it did not attempt to bite me so I guess there is no criminal offence?
Obviously I need to prove it was their dog, but is there anything else?
Mmm so the dog escaped but the cat was roaming.
why sue(seek damages) for EVERYTHING ? Animals will be animals .
What we need is an urban environment so hostile to cats that, like American city dwellers, the owners keep them indoors or in a secure yard. Quite why cats are free to tease, torture and kill any small mammal or bird on anyone's property, but predation of cats, when on someone else's property, is somehow considered an offence I do not understand.
If the dog had attacked a person, or pet accompanying or under the control of a person, I could understand the concern.
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