Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message >news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
I must admit it seems a bit weird to me that he has been arrested and was
in custody for on the face of it a terrible freak accident in what is
clearly a very dangerous high speed contact sport.
Inadequate PPE for the players might be a reasonable thing to pursue but
that is a charge to make against the organisers not the players.
On 15/11/2023 09:14, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
I must admit it seems a bit weird to me that he has been arrested and
was in custody for on the face of it a terrible freak accident in what
is clearly a very dangerous high speed contact sport.
Inadequate PPE for the players might be a reasonable thing to pursue but
that is a charge to make against the organisers not the players.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:29:22 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 09:14, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of
the incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two
players involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
I must admit it seems a bit weird to me that he has been arrested
and was in custody for on the face of it a terrible freak accident
in what is clearly a very dangerous high speed contact sport.
Inadequate PPE for the players might be a reasonable thing to pursue
but that is a charge to make against the organisers not the players.
There are suggestions that the actions that caused the incident could
be classified as reckless.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:14:12 -0000, "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com>
wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message >>news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
Is that for legal reasons?
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:14:12 -0000, "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com>
wrote:
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
Is that for legal reasons?
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
I must admit it seems a bit weird to me that he has been arrested and
was in custody for on the face of it a terrible freak accident in what
is clearly a very dangerous high speed contact sport.
Inadequate PPE for the players might be a reasonable thing to pursue but
that is a charge to make against the organisers not the players.
The police have a policy of not naming those they are dealing with, either
as victims, witnesses or suspects, unless there is a good reason to do so. Mere public curiosity is not a good reason, it needs to be something which can be justified as helping to advance the investigation. In this case, it's hard to see what the police could gain by naming the person arrested, so the default position stands.
As far as the media are concerned, while not being bound by the same policy, they nonetheless generally prefer to avoid making a statement which could be defamatory.
Also, the other player involved is black, while Johnson is white. If you search social media, there is already a torrent of racist abuse against the other player, which wouldn't be justified even if he was negligent. The media, quite rightly, don't want to contribute to that.
On 15/11/2023 09:14 am, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of >homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A >twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested
today in connection with...".
Why the ages are quoted is unclear.
But today the BBC say the arrested man has been released on bail
following the death of Johnson after a collision with Matt Petgrave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67312798
So is this because it is after the charge?
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:26:49 +0000, JNugent <jnu...@mail.com> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 09:14 am, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nos...@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0...@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of >homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A >twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested >today in connection with...".
Why the ages are quoted is unclear.
But today the BBC say the arrested man has been released on bail
following the death of Johnson after a collision with Matt Petgrave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67312798
So is this because it is after the charge?
On 15/11/2023 09:00, AnthonyL wrote:
<snip>
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding thatI'm a little surprised by that. They know who he is. Did they think he
he remained in custody."
was a flight risk?
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding that
he remained in custody."
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of >homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A >twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested
today in connection with...".
Why the ages are quoted is unclear.
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
For those not aware:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
"A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death
of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
The Nottingham Panthers player was hit in the neck by a skate during a
match against the Sheffield Steelers on 28 October.
The 29-year-old was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
A post-mortem examination confirmed he died as a result of a fatal
neck injury, South Yorkshire Police said.
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding that
he remained in custody."
On 15/11/2023 09:00, AnthonyL wrote:
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
For those not aware:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
"A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death
of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
The Nottingham Panthers player was hit in the neck by a skate during a match against the Sheffield Steelers on 28 October.
The 29-year-old was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
A post-mortem examination confirmed he died as a result of a fatal
neck injury, South Yorkshire Police said.
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding that
he remained in custody."
Seems the whole Ice Hokey community is shocked at the arrest...How can
you be arrested for the result of a freak accident?
Your car gets hit by lightning and you career off the road and kill someone....manslaughter ????
On 15/11/2023 09:00, AnthonyL wrote:
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a publicSeems the whole Ice Hokey community is shocked at the arrest...How can
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
For those not aware:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
"A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death
of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.
The Nottingham Panthers player was hit in the neck by a skate during a
match against the Sheffield Steelers on 28 October.
The 29-year-old was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.
A post-mortem examination confirmed he died as a result of a fatal
neck injury, South Yorkshire Police said.
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding that
he remained in custody."
you be arrested for the result of a freak accident?
Your car gets hit by lightning and you career off the road and kill someone....manslaughter ????
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:26:49 +0000, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 15/11/2023 09:14 am, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
As you yourself say, the arrested player's name is no secret
"for anyone sufficiently interested in the matter", to find
out for themselves. If they didn't already know
So surely, under such circumstances, the question then becomes,
what further purpose is served by publicly naming a player who
has been arrested on a serious charge; other than to satisfy
the idle curiosity of the public. When by so doing this may
damage the reputation of a totally innocent man.
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of
homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A
twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested
today in connection with...".
Why the ages are quoted is unclear.
But today the BBC say the arrested man has been released on bail
following the death of Johnson after a collision with Matt Petgrave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67312798
So is this because it is after the charge?
The force said detectives arrested the suspect on Tuesday, adding thatSeems the whole Ice Hokey community is shocked at the arrest...How can you
he remained in custody."
be arrested for the result of a freak accident?
Your car gets hit by lightning and you career off the road and kill >someone....manslaughter ????
On 15/11/2023 09:14 am, billy bookcase wrote:
"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:655486d0.3327515@news.eternal-september.org...
Why all the cloak and daggers? The incident happened at a public
event, was reported and commented on at the time, videos exist of the
incident, anyone can readily find out the names of the two players
involved yet the headline is now:
Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested
today in connection with...".
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:26:49 +0000, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
It's fairly normal for the identity of a person arrested on suspicion of
homicide not to be disclosed before charge, hence formulae such as "A
twenty-six year old man and a twenty-seven year old woman were arrested
today in connection with...".
Why the ages are quoted is unclear.
Indeed, and that can sometimes be just as embarassing To the arrested
person. There was a situation recently local to me where the police reported that "An xx year old woman was arrested". But we all knew precisely who it was (it was all over social media, and some of us had been present at the incident leading to the arrest), which means that the police have now told
us all how old she is. Which happens to be not quite the same age as she likes to give the impression of being.
But today the BBC say the arrested man has been released on bail
following the death of Johnson after a collision with Matt Petgrave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67312798
So is this because it is after the charge?
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