It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know, especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 08/11/2023 21:58, Roger Hayter wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Are you quite sure your comments are completely free of any tinge of
racism?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >> discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
When you say 'their demands', can you clarify whether you think Sunak is making such demands?
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin....
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial discrimination?
Is a private prosecution a possibility?
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know, >especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus >in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as >they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its >political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >> discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
An interesting comment, made in your first paragraph, that I haven't
seen or read elsewhere: does that just mean I don't move in the right
(or wrong?) circles?
It reminds me that many years ago, in a different age and under a
government of a different colour, Ruth Kelly was chided for letting
her rather narrow and particular religious views influence her work as
a minister. And her Prime Minister was Tony Blair whose pal Dubya was
told by God to go and bomb Iraq - which both Blair and Bush proceeded
to do. Commentators and the public weren't particularly silent on that
matter either.
Nick
On 9 Nov 2023 at 17:30:54 GMT, "Nick Odell" <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >>> discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
An interesting comment, made in your first paragraph, that I haven't
seen or read elsewhere: does that just mean I don't move in the right
(or wrong?) circles?
It reminds me that many years ago, in a different age and under a
government of a different colour, Ruth Kelly was chided for letting
her rather narrow and particular religious views influence her work as
a minister. And her Prime Minister was Tony Blair whose pal Dubya was
told by God to go and bomb Iraq - which both Blair and Bush proceeded
to do. Commentators and the public weren't particularly silent on that
matter either.
Nick
A good point. Although the difference in "colour" of the Blair government was barely perceptible. Like Starmer, he was up for Buggins' turn when were sick of the previous lot rather than having any different policies. I think I would
rather have Sunak, whose interests and prejudices are known than another careerist with no principles at all.
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know, especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 08/11/2023 21:58, Roger Hayter wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As
we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi,
the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as
long as
they support Israel?
Are you quite sure your comments are completely free of any tinge of
racism?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because
of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting
racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
When you say 'their demands', can you clarify whether you think Sunak is making such demands?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 9 Nov 2023 at 12:03:01 GMT, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 08/11/2023 21:58, Roger Hayter wrote:No, I'm not quite sure.
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban
the Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin.
As we know, especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime
minister Modi, the Hindus in India are not averse to the occasional
anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as
long as they support Israel?
Are you quite sure your comments are completely free of any tinge of
racism?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because
of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely
to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial discrimination? Is a private prosecution a
possibility?
When you say 'their demands', can you clarify whether you think Sunak
is making such demands?
Sunak is threatening the Commissioner with terrible retribution if
anything goes wrong.
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know, >especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus >in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as >they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its >political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >> discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
On 09/11/2023 in message <uijj4f$2d62s$1@dont-email.me> Pancho wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>> Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we >>>> know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the >>>> Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as >>>> long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of >>>> its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting
racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire
that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from the
Labour Party.
Did Starmer say why? Is it because he doesn't want want people to live in peace? It seems to me a fairly large majority of people sympathise with
the Palestinians but most of our MPs don't.
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we >>>know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the >>>Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as >>>long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of >>>its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting >>>racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire >that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from the >Labour Party.
On 9 Nov 2023 at 22:33:36 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 09/11/2023 in message <uijj4f$2d62s$1@dont-email.me> Pancho wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>>> Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we >>>>> know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the >>>>> Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as >>>>> long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of >>>>> its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting >>>>> racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire >>> that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from the >>> Labour Party.
Did Starmer say why? Is it because he doesn't want want people to live in
peace? It seems to me a fairly large majority of people sympathise with
the Palestinians but most of our MPs don't.
Because an American "international committee" has decreed that any criticism of Israel, and by extension any criticism of current Israeli policy, amounts to anti-semitism. (Look it up if you don't believe me.) The British government
and the Labour Party have adopted this definition of anti-semitism. That is how they got rid of Corbyn; they didn't say he was anti-semitic, just that he did not do enough to force that definition on Labour Party membership, and expel more "anti-semites". By that definition that includes quite a lot of Jewish socialists, some of whome have now been duly expelled. (And probably a good chunk of the Israeli population have their doubts, amusingly enough.)
Therefore, if Starmer supports a cease fire, against American and Israeli policy, he is anti-semitic. Therefore he will have to be expelled from the Labour Party. You can't blame a conscience-less careerist for giving in to that!
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know, especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
On 9 Nov 2023 at 23:08:50 GMT, "Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 9 Nov 2023 at 22:33:36 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> >>wrote:
On 09/11/2023 in message <uijj4f$2d62s$1@dont-email.me> Pancho wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>>the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As >>>>>>we
know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>>the
Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as >>>>>>long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because >>>>>>of
its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to >>>>>>offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting >>>>>>racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>>>is Israel, including the occupied territories.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire >>>>that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the >>>>sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from >>>>the
Labour Party.
Did Starmer say why? Is it because he doesn't want want people to live in >>>peace? It seems to me a fairly large majority of people sympathise with >>>the Palestinians but most of our MPs don't.
Because an American "international committee" has decreed that any >>criticism
of Israel, and by extension any criticism of current Israeli policy, >>amounts
to anti-semitism. (Look it up if you don't believe me.) The British >>government
and the Labour Party have adopted this definition of anti-semitism. That
is
how they got rid of Corbyn; they didn't say he was anti-semitic, just that >>he
did not do enough to force that definition on Labour Party membership, and >>expel more "anti-semites". By that definition that includes quite a lot of >>Jewish socialists, some of whome have now been duly expelled. (And
probably a
good chunk of the Israeli population have their doubts, amusingly enough.)
Therefore, if Starmer supports a cease fire, against American and Israeli >>policy, he is anti-semitic. Therefore he will have to be expelled from the >>Labour Party. You can't blame a conscience-less careerist for giving in to >>that!
You can be a Tory MP who wouldn't have a Jewish person in his house, or
even
his golf club; indeed you can be a Tory MP who tacitly supports fascists
who
beat up identifiable Jewish people on the street. You can be forgiven that >minor anti-semitism. However, if you oppose American hegemony in the Middle >East by opposing Israeli policy, then that is important anti-semitism,
which
will get you expelled from the party.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the
desire that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river
and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from
the Labour Party.
Did Starmer say why? Is it because he doesn't want want people to live
in peace? It seems to me a fairly large majority of people sympathise
with the Palestinians but most of our MPs don't.
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial >>> discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire >that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from
the Labour Party.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>> Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire
that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from
the Labour Party.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>> Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
At a recent pro-Palestinian march, MP Andy McDonald expressed the desire
that: "All people, Israelis and Palestinians between the river and the
sea, can live in peaceful liberty."
This was intolerable to Keir Starmer, and McDonald was suspended from
the Labour Party.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban the >>>> Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to offend >>>> against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban
the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin.
As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi,
the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok
as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just
because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to
offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
Tantamount to?
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a
name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition
and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals
are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is
people that count.
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban
the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin.
As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi,
the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok
as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just
because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to
offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
Tantamount to?
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a
name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition
and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals
are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is
people that count.
Because an American "international committee" has decreed that any
criticism
of Israel, and by extension any criticism of current Israeli policy,
amounts
to anti-semitism.
On 11/11/2023 05:36 pm, Pancho wrote:
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>> the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin.
As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>> the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok >>>>>> as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just
because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to
offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
Tantamount to?
I refrained from pointing that out...
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a
name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition
and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals
are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is
people that count.
But countries (and even counties, boroughs, etc) are a way for a
community to make its own decisions without interference and without
being controlled by a hostile voting majority. The village engulfed by,
and absorbed into, an expanding nearby city will never again be a rural
place of tranquility.
On 09/11/2023 in message <kr5742F6nl0U1@mid.individual.net> Roger Hayter wrote:
Because an American "international committee" has decreed that any criticism >>of Israel, and by extension any criticism of current Israeli policy, amounts >>to anti-semitism.
Can you point me to the source of this please?
I have found:
"Report on Global Anti-Semitism
July 1, 2003 - December 15, 2004, submitted by the Department of State to the Committee
on Foreign Relations and the Committee on International Relations in accordance with
Section 4 of PL 108-332, December 30, 2004"
but don't want to get buried in it if it's not the one you mean!
On 09/11/2023 in message <kr5742F6nl0U1@mid.individual.net> Roger Hayter wrote:
Because an American "international committee" has decreed that any
criticism
of Israel, and by extension any criticism of current Israeli policy,
amounts
to anti-semitism.
Can you point me to the source of this please?
I have found:
"Report on Global Anti-Semitism
July 1, 2003 – December 15, 2004, submitted by the Department of State
to the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on International Relations in accordance with Section 4 of PL 108-332, December 30, 2004"
but don't want to get buried in it if it's not the one you mean!
So that any criticism levelled at Israel in respect of its attempt</snip>
to establish, maintain and defend itself as an exclusively Jewish
State is by definition anti-semitic.
On 12/11/2023 08:21, billy bookcase wrote:
<snip>
So that any criticism levelled at Israel in respect of its attempt</snip>
to establish, maintain and defend itself as an exclusively Jewish
State is by definition anti-semitic.
I hope you realise that the state of Israel is not exclusively Jewish?
<https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/441219-ISRAEL-2022-INTERNATIONAL-RELIGIOUS-FREEDOM-REPORT.pdf>
says
"approximately 73.8 percent of the population is Jewish"
Andy
I think this is the main one. But it is how it is interpreted that is important. It is generally interpreted in the Labour Party for instance that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic although I have to admit the document is a bit equivocal about saying that! The hardest clause for anti-racists is probably:
"Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor."
On 12 Nov 2023 at 13:25:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 11/11/2023 05:36 pm, Pancho wrote:
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote: >>>>>>
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>>> the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. >>>>>>> As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>>> the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok >>>>>>> as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just
because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to >>>>>>> offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>>>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
Tantamount to?
I refrained from pointing that out...
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a
name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition
and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals
are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is
people that count.
But countries (and even counties, boroughs, etc) are a way for a
community to make its own decisions without interference and without
being controlled by a hostile voting majority. The village engulfed by,
and absorbed into, an expanding nearby city will never again be a rural
place of tranquility.
But do you think it will be able to remain a hotbed of bitter feuds and intrigues?
On 12/11/2023 05:02 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Nov 2023 at 13:25:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 11/11/2023 05:36 pm, Pancho wrote:
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me>
wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>>>> the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. >>>>>>>> As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>>>> the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom.
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok >>>>>>>> as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just >>>>>>>> because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to >>>>>>>> offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that >>>>>> is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent
country?
Tantamount to?
I refrained from pointing that out...
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a
name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition >>>> and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals
are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is
people that count.
But countries (and even counties, boroughs, etc) are a way for a
community to make its own decisions without interference and without
being controlled by a hostile voting majority. The village engulfed by,
and absorbed into, an expanding nearby city will never again be a rural
place of tranquility.
But do you think it will be able to remain a hotbed of bitter feuds and
intrigues?
To what are you referring?
On 13 Nov 2023 at 11:06:16 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 12/11/2023 05:02 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Nov 2023 at 13:25:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 11/11/2023 05:36 pm, Pancho wrote:
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>>>>> the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. >>>>>>>>> As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>>>>> the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom. >>>>>>>>>
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok >>>>>>>>> as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just >>>>>>>>> because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to >>>>>>>>> offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent >>>>>> country?
Tantamount to?
I refrained from pointing that out...
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a >>>>> name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition >>>>> and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals >>>>> are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is >>>>> people that count.
But countries (and even counties, boroughs, etc) are a way for a
community to make its own decisions without interference and without
being controlled by a hostile voting majority. The village engulfed by, >>>> and absorbed into, an expanding nearby city will never again be a rural >>>> place of tranquility.
But do you think it will be able to remain a hotbed of bitter feuds and
intrigues?
To what are you referring?
Villages.
On 13/11/2023 02:52 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 at 11:06:16 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 12/11/2023 05:02 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 12 Nov 2023 at 13:25:51 GMT, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 11/11/2023 05:36 pm, Pancho wrote:
On 11/11/2023 13:25, AnthonyL wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 21:31:58 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/23 19:40, AnthonyL wrote:
On 8 Nov 2023 21:58:50 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
It is noteworthy that the two politicians baying for the Met to ban >>>>>>>>>> the
Palestinian march, Sunak and Braverman are both of Hindu origin. >>>>>>>>>> As we know,
especially under the present Hindu nationalist prime minister Modi, >>>>>>>>>> the Hindus
in India are not averse to the occasional anti-Muslim pogrom. >>>>>>>>>>
Are we sure we want such racists to govern our country; or is it ok >>>>>>>>>> as long as
they support Israel?
Do you think their demands to ban the pro-Palestine march just >>>>>>>>>> because of its
political position, when the police have said it is not likely to >>>>>>>>>> offend
against the actual law set to govern protests, amounts to
soliciting racial
discrimination? Is a private prosecution a possibility?
What exactly does a pro-Palestinian march mean?
Many regard it as a call for equal Palestinian rights in the region that
is Israel, including the occupied territories.
Isn't that paramount to the elimination of Israel as an independent >>>>>>> country?
Tantamount to?
I refrained from pointing that out...
It may mean the end of Israel as the Jewish state. It may even mean a >>>>>> name change. Rhodesia and South Africa, both, made a greater transition >>>>>> and survived as independent countries.
I believe states only have a right to exist in so much as individuals >>>>>> are willing to sacrifice their own interests for the community it
represents.
I wouldn't get hung up on countries getting wiped off the map, it is >>>>>> people that count.
But countries (and even counties, boroughs, etc) are a way for a
community to make its own decisions without interference and without >>>>> being controlled by a hostile voting majority. The village engulfed by, >>>>> and absorbed into, an expanding nearby city will never again be a rural >>>>> place of tranquility.
But do you think it will be able to remain a hotbed of bitter feuds and >>>> intrigues?
To what are you referring?
Villages.
Thank you.
Your clarification, however, simply means that for more is needed.
Are you arguing that all villages and rural areas should be controlled
by hostile city local politicians because villages are hotbeds of bitter feuds and intrigue?
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