• AI - and so it begins

    From Tony The Welsh Twat@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 8 08:47:41 2023
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his 40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Tony The Welsh Twat on Wed Nov 8 18:12:36 2023
    On 08/11/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his 40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.


    Not AI and he was trying to correct a fault with the sensors on the
    robot: the sensors that failed to identify him as not a box of vegetables.


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    Colin Bignell

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  • From Dr Dave@21:1/5 to Tony The Welsh Twat on Wed Nov 8 13:18:24 2023
    On Wednesday, 8 November 2023 at 18:07:16 UTC, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his 40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.

    In other news, dozens of people were killed by machines operated by “real intelligence (sic)” which failed to notice them at all …

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Nov 8 20:48:29 2023
    "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in message news:cG-dnUQR6pD7Utb4nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    On 08/11/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed
    to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his
    40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him
    and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and
    chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.


    Not AI and he was trying to correct a fault with the sensors on the robot: the sensors that failed to identify him as not a box of vegetables.

    Indeed. It's when they start doing it on purpose, in a bid to take
    over the factory, that people will probably need to start worrying.


    bb

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  • From soup@21:1/5 to Tony The Welsh Twat on Thu Nov 9 07:51:12 2023
    On 08/11/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his 40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.

    "Sent to hospital" sounds like the foreman said "you better take an
    hour or so and get that 'ouchie' checked out at the local A&E"

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Tony The Welsh Twat on Thu Nov 9 07:54:32 2023
    On Wed, 08 Nov 2023 08:47:41 -0800, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it
    failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling,
    reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his
    40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed him
    and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and
    chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.

    Nearly 25 years ago, I visited a warehouse in Hemel Hempstead that was
    operated entirely by robots. No one was allowed on the floor if they were working. Having robotic fork lifts allowed them to make the racks much
    higher than if they had to be manually worked.

    The only manpower in the place were the teams that took the goods on and
    off the lorries, since the mag strips the robots used to navigate stopped
    short of the loading bay.

    Whole thing ran off an AS400 and was supplied by a German firm. (The
    company wanted a UK solution, but guess what ????)

    I remain underwhelmed.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Thu Nov 9 12:09:28 2023
    On 08/11/2023 18:12, Colin Bignell wrote:
    On 08/11/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it
    failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling,
    reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in his
    40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed
    him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face
    and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.


    Not AI and he was trying to correct a fault with the sensors on the
    robot: the sensors that failed to identify him as not a box of vegetables.



    What I find surprising is that a box of veg weighs 10-20 kgs. Why do the
    robots have to be so powerful that they can seriously hurt a man? It
    seems a waste of resources, as well as being dangerous.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 9 20:52:53 2023
    On 09/11/2023 12:09, GB wrote:
    On 08/11/2023 18:12, Colin Bignell wrote:
    On 08/11/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67354709

    A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it
    failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling,
    reports say.

    The incident occurred when the man, a robotics company employee in
    his 40s, was inspecting the robot.

    The robotic arm, confusing the man for a box of vegetables, grabbed
    him and pushed his body against the conveyer belt, crushing his face
    and chest, South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

    He was sent to hospital but later died.


    Not AI and he was trying to correct a fault with the sensors on the
    robot: the sensors that failed to identify him as not a box of
    vegetables.



    What I find surprising is that a box of veg weighs 10-20 kgs.

    Where do you get that figure from? I've not seen any information about
    the size or weight of the boxes the arm was moving. All of the reports
    also use stock photos of robot arms, so we don't even know what it looks
    like.

    Why do the
    robots have to be so powerful that they can seriously hurt a man? It
    seems a waste of resources, as well as being dangerous.

    Perhaps they need to lift an entire pallet load of boxes at one time.
    Robots are dangerous, which is why people are usually kept well away
    from them. The vast majority of accidents involving robots happen, like
    this one, during maintenance, when somebody does need to be near them.

    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri Nov 10 11:44:57 2023
    On 09/11/2023 20:52, Colin Bignell wrote:

    Where do you get that figure from? I've not seen any information about
    the size or weight of the boxes the arm was moving. All of the reports
    also use stock photos of robot arms, so we don't even know what it looks like.

    The BBC report just attributes the image to Getty, without saying that
    it has nothing to do with the actual installation, but of course you
    must be correct.

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 10 12:37:01 2023
    On 10/11/2023 11:44, GB wrote:
    On 09/11/2023 20:52, Colin Bignell wrote:

    Where do you get that figure from? I've not seen any information about
    the size or weight of the boxes the arm was moving. All of the reports
    also use stock photos of robot arms, so we don't even know what it
    looks like.

    The BBC report just attributes the image to Getty, without saying that
    it has nothing to do with the actual installation, but of course you
    must be correct.

    I always assume that Getty Images means a stock photo.

    I have now found this report. It uses a picture taken by the local fire department, which shows the actual robot:

    https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-robot-worker-death-976dc34487051c762362f17166c17fd7

    I was expecting something more like the stock picture used here, but the
    Korean one, while still quite large (to judge by the stairs in the
    background), appears to be smaller:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/man-crushed-death-industrial-robot-confused-box-police

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    Colin Bignell

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