If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

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On 31/10/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

Unlike slates, which will slip if not individually nailed, standard
practice with interlocking tiles used to be to nail the eaves, two more
rows, then every fifth row up. However, if you contact the tile
manufacturer, they should be able to tell you what they recommend for
fixing their tiles.

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On Tuesday, 31 October 2023 at 18:24:53 UTC, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

Have you ever heard of anybody facing prosecution for similar things? I can't see the cops being interested in any tenuous arguments that it might be fraud. You've got civil remedies - use those.

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On 31/10/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to
the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes
apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

Roof tiles are not routinely all nailed, so a poor example.

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On 31 Oct 2023 at 16:47:47 GMT, "Tony The Welsh Twat" <tonythewelshtwat@gmail.com> wrote:

If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that
they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

It is unlikely to be fraud. If the contract explicitly said every tile should be nailed then it is breach of contract, unless they can show why their method was equivalent. If the contract is silent on the matter then it must be a matter of degree/expert opinion whether it is a cheap but acceptable standard or not. In the absence of years passing or an exceptionally strong wind then I suppose tiles slipping suggests not. It may not be conclusive.

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On 31/10/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?

I had an extension put up.

it had a single pitched roof which sloped downwards away from the house.

Therer was going to be fascia board and guttering fitted.

I specified in writing that the fascia board was to be affixed using
screws, not nails.

The reason why? so I could remove it and run some CCTV cabling from
behind it which had been first fixed, I drilled a hole in fascia board
to pass cable through and then fixed the CCTV dome camera to the fascia
board. The connection of the camera pigtail to the CCTV cable was made
behind the fascia.

So the devil in the detail really is whether it was specified to the
roofer that every single roofing tile was to be nailed or screwed down.

As others have mentioned, roofers either follow their own training or
the manufacturers guidance.

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On 31/10/2023 16:47, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:

If a tradesman quotes you for a job, comes and apparently does it and then it subsequently becomes obvious that he/she didn't, is there a criminal offence (i.e fraud)?

As an example, a roofer who you employ to remove and nail every tile to the battens and then some tiles slip and upon examination it becomes apparent that they'd been selective in what they'd nailed?
Breach of contract. Contract not completed as per terms. But did he just

miss a few ? Fraud? How are you going to prove that? No chance...
Consumer rights act maybe, but that leads to not in accordance with
industry recognised best practice. Best practice is a long way from nail
every clay tile. Slates yes, tiles no. Tell the builder you want a
refund for not doing the job as instructed.

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