If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where
else I might get an answer.
On 25/10/2023 23:10, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know
where else I might get an answer.
The ones shooting at them are probably members of Hamas.
On 26/10/2023 00:16, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 25/10/2023 23:10, TTman wrote:But hamas would hide any signs of carrying guns when Israel goes in and pretend to be innocent Palastinians ?
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know
where else I might get an answer.
The ones shooting at them are probably members of Hamas.
On 26/10/2023 00:16, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 25/10/2023 23:10, TTman wrote:But hamas would hide any signs of carrying guns when Israel goes in and pretend to be innocent Palastinians ?
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know
where else I might get an answer.
The ones shooting at them are probably members of Hamas.
On 26/10/2023 22:39, TTman wrote:
On 26/10/2023 00:16, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 25/10/2023 23:10, TTman wrote:But hamas would hide any signs of carrying guns when Israel goes in
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know
where else I might get an answer.
The ones shooting at them are probably members of Hamas.
and pretend to be innocent Palastinians ?
Why not ask the Paras who served in Northern Ireland how to deal with
this problem?
On 27/10/2023 10:21, GB wrote:
On 26/10/2023 22:39, TTman wrote:
On 26/10/2023 00:16, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 25/10/2023 23:10, TTman wrote:But hamas would hide any signs of carrying guns when Israel goes in
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know
where else I might get an answer.
The ones shooting at them are probably members of Hamas.
and pretend to be innocent Palastinians ?
Why not ask the Paras who served in Northern Ireland how to deal with
this problem?
Or ask the British or American soldiers who stormed into villages and
towns in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, to identify and capture
"insurgents" or "enemy combatants".
I'm sure they always tried their very hardest not to torture or kill
innocent civilians but in wartime some innocents 'scape not the
thunderbolt. And it was all in a good cause because ultimately the good
guys won, and Afghanistan is a better place.
It's refreshing that Biden urged the Israelis not to repeat the mistakes
the US made.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-unites-states-response-to-hamass-terrorist-attacks-against-israel-and-russias-ongoing-brutal-war-against-ukraine/
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message news:uhg486$27klu$1@dont-email.me...
It's refreshing that Biden urged the Israelis not to repeat the mistakes
the US made.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-unites-states-response-to-hamass-terrorist-attacks-against-israel-and-russias-ongoing-brutal-war-against-ukraine/
quote:
I know we have our divisions at home. We have to get past them.
unquote:
Which they have. One lot now are confined to reservations while the
other lot are six times a likely to end up in goal
quote:
We can't let petty, partisan, angry politics get in the way of our responsibilities as a great nation.
unquote
<vomit>
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the
basis of the use man made of that land.
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee camps. Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they
were known.
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhg486$27klu$1@dont-email.me...
It's refreshing that Biden urged the Israelis not to repeat the mistakes >>> the US made.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-unites-states-response-to-hamass-terrorist-attacks-against-israel-and-russias-ongoing-brutal-war-against-ukraine/
quote:
I know we have our divisions at home. We have to get past them.
unquote:
Which they have. One lot now are confined to reservations while the
other lot are six times a likely to end up in goal
quote:
We can't let petty, partisan, angry politics get in the way of our
responsibilities as a great nation.
unquote
<vomit>
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is
another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the
basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quiteDid Israel do that?
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee camps. >> Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they
were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is
another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the
basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quiteDid Israel do that?
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee
camps.
Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they
were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhg486$27klu$1@dont-email.me...
It's refreshing that Biden urged the Israelis not to repeat the mistakes >>>> the US made.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-unites-states-response-to-hamass-terrorist-attacks-against-israel-and-russias-ongoing-brutal-war-against-ukraine/
quote:
I know we have our divisions at home. We have to get past them.
unquote:
Which they have. One lot now are confined to reservations while the
other lot are six times a likely to end up in goal
quote:
We can't let petty, partisan, angry politics get in the way of our
responsibilities as a great nation.
unquote
<vomit>
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is
another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the
basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live their before 1948!
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee camps. >>> Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they
were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
Being chosen as they were largely uninhabitable.
"JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is
another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the
basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
Until your next door neighbour decides your lawn is such a waste
of good land.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
quote:
A:
In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs - about half of prewar
Mandatory Palestine's Arab population - fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war.
[9] The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession,
and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11]
Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted
to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were subject
to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] The terms also refer to the wider period of war itself and the subsequent, ongoing oppression.[15]
unquote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
2) As a result of the Six-Day War, around 280,000 to 325,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled[43] from the territories won in the Six-Day War by Israel, ncluding the demolished Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, Bayt Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Jiftlik, Agarith and Huseirat, and the "emptying" of the refugee camps of Aqabat Jabr and Ein as-Sultan.[44][45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Palestinian_exodus
Where exactly do you think the "iilegal settlers" are actually settling ?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee
camps.
Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they
were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
That being land where they never discovered any mineral resources
presumably.
Or exhausted them all, and then handed it back. For subsequent use as locations on "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" The "Red Camino" film follow up isn't that bad either as thee things go. Jesse and his former
drug mates and some flashbacks
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee to
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
"GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhg486$27klu$1@dont-email.me...
It's refreshing that Biden urged the Israelis not to repeat the mistakes >>>>> the US made.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-unites-states-response-to-hamass-terrorist-attacks-against-israel-and-russias-ongoing-brutal-war-against-ukraine/
quote:
I know we have our divisions at home. We have to get past them.
unquote:
Which they have. One lot now are confined to reservations while the
other lot are six times a likely to end up in goal
quote:
We can't let petty, partisan, angry politics get in the way of our
responsibilities as a great nation.
unquote
<vomit>
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is >>>> another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the >>>> basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite >>>> remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the >>>> basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used, >>>> by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did), that
was their own doing.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee camps.
Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they >>>> were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
Being chosen as they were largely uninhabitable.
Maybe in the desert states, around the Grand Canyon, etc.
Not in the east (eg, on the Carolina side of the Smoky Mountains),
verdant and productive. And still, the only way you know you're on a
highway passing through a reservation is the occasional official road
sign and the retail opportunities for handicrafted goods, etc. Wigwams
are rarely seen (if ever).
On 27/10/2023 08:21 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
"JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich
Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is >>>> another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted
that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the >>>> basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
Until your next door neighbour decides your lawn is such a waste
of good land.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite >>>> remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the >>>> basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used, >>>> by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
quote:
A:
In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs - about half of prewar
Mandatory Palestine's Arab population - fled from their homes or were
expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948
Palestine war.
[9] The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession,
and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11]
Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were
poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted
to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were
subject
to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] The terms also refer to the >> wider period of war itself and the subsequent, ongoing oppression.[15]
unquote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
2) As a result of the Six-Day War, around 280,000 to 325,000 Palestinians >> fled or were expelled[43] from the territories won in the Six-Day War by
Israel, ncluding the demolished Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, Bayt
Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Jiftlik, Agarith and Huseirat, >> and the "emptying" of the refugee camps of Aqabat Jabr and Ein
as-Sultan.[44][45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Palestinian_exodus
Where exactly do you think the "iilegal settlers" are actually settling ?
Annexation of land is, or always had been, an outcome of war, declared
or undeclared. The 1967 "Six Day War" was ill-advised on the part of the states which attacked Israel, if only because they could not win.
Fighting a war one cannot win (whether fought for good or not so good reasons) may well lead to territorial losses. Germany lost a lot of
territory due to post-WW2 annexation. That's one of the reasons why
post-war Poland had an autobahn running east from its new border with
(East) Germany.
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is
probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it
would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee
camps.
Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they >>>> were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the
most part visually unoccupied.
That being land where they never discovered any mineral resources
presumably.
When? Reservations were established a long time ago, probably before Pennsylvania oil was recognised as an asset rather than a pollutant.
Or exhausted them all, and then handed it back. For subsequent use as
locations on "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" The "Red Camino" film
follow up isn't that bad either as thee things go. Jesse and his former
drug mates and some flashbacks
I have been in NM a few times (I have a friend in Los Alamos). It's surprising how fertile the state is, given its general appearance.
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:14:02 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:21 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
"JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:Annexation of land is, or always had been, an outcome of war, declared
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
As well as being the US's English speaking point-man in the oil rich >>>>> Middle East, Israel shares another thing in common with the US; and is >>>>> another reason the US would seek to defend them. .
In his political writings the English Philosopher John Locke asserted >>>>> that land was gifted to man, and ownership established thereby, on the >>>>> basis of the use man made of that land.
So convincing.
Until your next door neighbour decides your lawn is such a waste
of good land.
I'm a Freeman on the Land convert purely on that basis! ;-)
An argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite >>>>> remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the >>>>> basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of >>>>> that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used, >>>>> by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee >>>>> camps.
Did Israel do that?
quote:
A:
In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs - about half of prewar
Mandatory Palestine's Arab population - fled from their homes or were
expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948
Palestine war.
[9] The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, >>> and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11]
Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were
poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted
to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were >>> subject
to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] The terms also refer to the >>> wider period of war itself and the subsequent, ongoing oppression.[15]
unquote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
2) As a result of the Six-Day War, around 280,000 to 325,000 Palestinians >>> fled or were expelled[43] from the territories won in the Six-Day War by >>> Israel, ncluding the demolished Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, Bayt >>> Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Jiftlik, Agarith and Huseirat,
and the "emptying" of the refugee camps of Aqabat Jabr and Ein
as-Sultan.[44][45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Palestinian_exodus
Where exactly do you think the "iilegal settlers" are actually settling ? >>
or undeclared. The 1967 "Six Day War" was ill-advised on the part of the
states which attacked Israel, if only because they could not win.
Fighting a war one cannot win (whether fought for good or not so good
reasons) may well lead to territorial losses. Germany lost a lot of
territory due to post-WW2 annexation. That's one of the reasons why
post-war Poland had an autobahn running east from its new border with
(East) Germany.
I see no sign of any sovereign states wanting their land back, or opposing the
annexation of the land. The conflict is all about the treatment of the civilian occupants of the annexed land. For instance, I expect the remaining inhabitants of the land Poland annexed, after perhaps some German sympathisers
had left in the immediate aftermath, can vote in Polish elections, and don't have their more fertile land annexed at gun point by traditional Poles and thereafter protected from the locals by the Polish army.
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Which on one level is most probably true. The land area of Israel is >>>>> probably is a lot more highly developed industrially at least than it >>>>> would have be had it remained as Palestine.
But that hardly justifies displacing millions of people into refugee >>>>> camps.
Which are essentially little different to Indian Reservations, as they >>>>> were known.
Indian reservations were and still are massive tracts of land, for the >>>> most part visually unoccupied.
That being land where they never discovered any mineral resources
presumably.
When? Reservations were established a long time ago, probably before
Pennsylvania oil was recognised as an asset rather than a pollutant.
Or exhausted them all, and then handed it back. For subsequent use as
locations on "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" The "Red Camino" film >>> follow up isn't that bad either as thee things go. Jesse and his former
drug mates and some flashbacks
I have been in NM a few times (I have a friend in Los Alamos). It's
surprising how fertile the state is, given its general appearance.
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite >>>>> remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the >>>>> basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of >>>>> that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used, >>>>> by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee >>>>> camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did), that
was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families slow to leave may have encouraged them.
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't
quite remember, to justify the European colonisation of North
America. On the basis that the native Americans simply weren't
making the best use of that land. Which is exactly the same
justification as was, and is used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to
refugee camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live
their before 1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did),
that was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families
slow to leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't
quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America.
On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of >>>>>> that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is
used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee >>>>>> camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live
their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did), that >>> was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families
slow to
leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't quite >>>>>> remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. On the >>>>>> basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of >>>>>> that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is used, >>>>>> by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee >>>>>> camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred.
Not that many compared with the number of arabs who used to live their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did), that >>> was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families slow to >> leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
On 28/10/2023 17:30, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toNot that many compared with the number of arabs who used to liveAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't >>>>>>> quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. >>>>>>> On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best use of >>>>>>> that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is >>>>>>> used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to refugee >>>>>>> camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred. >>>>>
their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did), that >>>> was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families
slow to
leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
Some might say it's a fine line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
As a general rule, terrorists who have their way are generally called
freedom fighters even if they directly targeted civilians. Those who
don't are called terrorists.
I guess you would call the likes of Yitzhak Shamir a freedom fighter,
yet to many he is and will always be a terrorist.
YMMV
On 28/10/2023 17:30, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toNot that many compared with the number of arabs who used to liveAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't >>>>>>> quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. >>>>>>> On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best
use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is >>>>>>> used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to
refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred. >>>>>
their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did),
that
was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families
slow to
leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
Some might say it's a fine line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
As a general rule, terrorists who have their way are generally called
freedom fighters even if they directly targeted civilians. Those who
don't are called terrorists.
I guess you would call the likes of Yitzhak Shamir a freedom fighter,
yet to many he is and will always be a terrorist.
YMMV
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were
terrorists?
On 28/10/2023 17:30, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 14:13, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 28 Oct 2023 at 12:05:14 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 27/10/2023 08:11 pm, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 27 Oct 2023 at 16:49:35 BST, "JNugent" <jnugent@mail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 27/10/2023 03:12 pm, billy bookcase wrote:
That doesn't prove anything. If people choose (or chose) to flee toNot that many compared with the number of arabs who used to liveAn argument which was then used, whether by Locke himself I can't >>>>>>> quite
remember, to justify the European colonisation of North America. >>>>>>> On the
basis that the native Americans simply weren't making the best
use of
that land. Which is exactly the same justification as was, and is >>>>>>> used,
by Israel in displacing Palestinians, and consigning them to
refugee
camps.
Did Israel do that?
There are many Arab Israeli citizens. They are not banned or barred. >>>>>
their before
1948!
refugee camps rather than staying where they were (which many did),
that
was their own doing.
Terrorists burning down their houses and slaughtering those families
slow to
leave may have encouraged them.
Are you saying that the founders of the state of Israel were terrorists?
Some might say it's a fine line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
As a general rule, terrorists who have their way are generally called
freedom fighters even if they directly targeted civilians. Those who
don't are called terrorists.
I guess you would call the likes of Yitzhak Shamir a freedom fighter,
yet to many he is and will always be a terrorist.
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where
else I might get an answer.
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On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where
else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb etc.] can be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged, however the other side is likely to arrest them until they determine whether they are combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war.
On 30/10/2023 12:19, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where >>> else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb
etc.] can be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged,
however the other side is likely to arrest them until they determine
whether they are combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war.
Even young children? The IDF aren't going to go into Gaza, arrest people
and read them their rights. They carry guns, not handcuffs.
On 30/10/2023 14:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/10/2023 12:19, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where >>> else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb
etc.] can be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged,
however the other side is likely to arrest them until they determine
whether they are combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war.
Even young children? The IDF aren't going to go into Gaza, arrest people and read them their rights. They carry guns, not handcuffs.
Armies do generally take prisoners. What makes you think the IDF won't?
On 30/10/2023 12:19, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where >>> else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb etc.] can
be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged, however the >> other side is likely to arrest them until they determine whether they are
combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war.
Even young children? The IDF aren't going to go into Gaza, arrest people
and read them their rights. They carry guns, not handcuffs.
On 30/10/2023 14:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/10/2023 12:19, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where >>>> else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb
etc.] can be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged,
however the other side is likely to arrest them until they determine
whether they are combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war.
Even young children? The IDF aren't going to go into Gaza, arrest people
and read them their rights. They carry guns, not handcuffs.
Armies do generally take prisoners. What makes you think the IDF won't?
On 30 Oct 2023 at 15:00:11 GMT, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 30/10/2023 14:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/10/2023 12:19, notya...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 23:10:51 UTC+1, TTman wrote:Even young children? The IDF aren't going to go into Gaza, arrest people >>> and read them their rights. They carry guns, not handcuffs.
If/when Israel invade Gaza, how will they distinguish between
Palastinians and members of Hamas? I ask here because I don't know where >>>>> else I might get an answer.
Basically it is a war. Anyone carrying a weapon [gun, grenade, bomb
etc.] can be assumed to be a combatant and engaged.
Anyone not carrying a weapon is a civilian and can't be engaged,
however the other side is likely to arrest them until they determine
whether they are combatants, at which time they become prisoners of war. >>>
Armies do generally take prisoners. What makes you think the IDF won't?
Their stated intention to kill all Hamas members? The fact that they regard Hamas fighters as terrorists, not enemy soldiers? Lets wait and see how many they capture. My betting is very few.
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