• Personal relationships: a step too far?

    From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 12:25:02 2023
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with colleagues
    which – as well as partners – include “a person living in the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close
    relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”, according to
    the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling
    them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if Maxine
    Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the DBS scheme
    had been in place at the time, she could never have become teaching
    assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact with them.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Oct 23 12:41:15 2023
    On 23/10/2023 in message <uh5l6e$33m83$1@dont-email.me> Max Demian wrote:

    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling
    them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future government >wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if Maxine Carr had had
    to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the DBS scheme had been in
    place at the time, she could never have become teaching assistant to the >girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact with them.

    The company I worked for (also private) had a prohibition on relationships between managers and subordinates and between pretty well anybody in
    Personnel and other staff. Too long ago now for me to remember the exact
    terms but we did check with external solicitor if it was enforceable and
    he said "yes".

    I did have to enforce it once and we required one of the people concerned
    to leave.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

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  • From Michael Chare@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Oct 23 15:47:07 2023
    On 23/10/2023 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with colleagues
    which – as well as partners – include “a person living in the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”, according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling
    them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if Maxine
    Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the DBS scheme
    had been in place at the time, she could never have become teaching
    assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact with them.


    I would suggest that an employer should know about such relationships as
    it might influence how one of them treats the other.

    --
    Michael Chare

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  • From Tony The Welsh Twat@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Oct 23 08:18:10 2023
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 13:04:41 UTC+1, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with colleagues
    which – as well as partners – include “a person living in the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”, according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling
    them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if Maxine
    Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the DBS scheme
    had been in place at the time, she could never have become teaching
    assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact with them.

    --
    Max Demian

    My company already have this in place along with other things like do you have any criminal convictions, have you ever been declared bankrupt etc etc

    I never did quite work out how my performance in work (the ony thing a company should care about) might be affected if I'd just been nicked for ABH..........

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Michael Chare on Mon Oct 23 17:32:10 2023
    On 23/10/2023 15:47, Michael Chare wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >> the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary
    action or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not
    telling them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if
    Maxine Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the
    DBS scheme had been in place at the time, she could never have become
    teaching assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact
    with them.


    I would suggest that an employer should know about such relationships as
    it might influence how one of them treats the other.

    This ITV rule isn't just about relationships between employees - its
    about *any* relationships. "anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship" - so do they have to say whether they
    have sex, how often and what kind?

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Dr Dave@21:1/5 to Tony The Welsh Twat on Mon Oct 23 09:21:23 2023
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 16:48:44 UTC+1, Tony The Welsh Twat wrote:
    On Monday, 23 October 2023 at 13:04:41 UTC+1, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all staff
    this month, they are required to declare relationships with colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”, according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if Maxine Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the DBS scheme
    had been in place at the time, she could never have become teaching assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact with them.

    --
    Max Demian
    My company already have this in place along with other things like do you have any criminal convictions, have you ever been declared bankrupt etc etc

    I never did quite work out how my performance in work (the ony thing a company should care about) might be affected if I'd just been nicked for ABH..........

    It might mean you are more likely to assault people in the workplace - obviously.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Oct 23 17:35:44 2023
    On 23/10/2023 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with colleagues
    which – as well as partners – include “a person living in the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”, according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary action
    or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not telling
    them about your private relationships?

    Where there is a huge power imbalance between the two individuals or in hierarchical military institutions it is a fairly common workplace
    restriction. The company I worked for back in the 1980's had such a
    policy but was also prepared to break it from time to time when they
    wanted to recruit two engineers who were already married to each other.

    Relationships between senior managers and their reports were strictly
    forbidden although it didn't stop them happening. One I recall was
    caught in flagrante with one of his underlings at work - not good for
    career advancement. Relationships between peers were not uncommon and
    although theoretically against the company policy were generally ignored
    unless they affected smooth running of the company.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Jack Harry Teesdale@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Mon Oct 23 18:44:57 2023
    On 23/10/2023 17:35, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >> the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary
    action or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not
    telling them about your private relationships?

    Where there is a huge power imbalance between the two individuals or in hierarchical military institutions it is a fairly common workplace restriction. The company I worked for back in the 1980's had such a
    policy but was also prepared to break it from time to time when they
    wanted to recruit two engineers who were already married to each other.

    Relationships between senior managers and their reports were strictly forbidden although it didn't stop them happening. One I recall was
    caught in flagrante with one of his underlings at work - not good for
    career advancement. Relationships between peers were not uncommon and although theoretically against the company policy were generally ignored unless they affected smooth running of the company.


    IMHE If such a policy were rigidly enforced in many workplaces there
    would probably not be enough employees remaining for the organisation to continue to function.

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 18:51:35 2023
    "Tony The Welsh Twat" <tonythewelshtwat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b4c1a0d2-0a10-42e9-9467-1808937af098n@googlegroups.com...

    I never did quite work out how my performance in work (the ony thing a company should care about) might be affected if I'd just been nicked for ABH..........

    Well your propensity for engaging in acts of violence might certainly
    be of interest to your colleagues; if only to the extent of upgrading
    the first-aid facilities and possibly coming to work "tooled up".


    bb

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Oct 23 19:58:30 2023
    On 23-Oct-23 13:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 in message <uh5l6e$33m83$1@dont-email.me> Max Demian wrote:

    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >> the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary
    action or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not
    telling them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if
    Maxine Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the
    DBS scheme had been in place at the time, she could never have become
    teaching assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact
    with them.

    The company I worked for (also private) had a prohibition on
    relationships between managers and subordinates and between pretty well anybody in Personnel and other staff. Too long ago now for me to
    remember the exact terms but we did check with external solicitor if it
    was enforceable and he said "yes".

    I did have to enforce it once and we required one of the people
    concerned to leave.

    A very large company I once worked for (many decades back) seemed to
    have such a prohibition, and moved someone when she married her manager.
    But as for as I could discover, this 'rule' was not written down
    anywhere in the (voluminous) employee handbook or employment contracts.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 03:24:30 2023
    Don't most companies have policies regarding nepotism?

    --

    Graham.
    %Profound_observation%

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  • From Les. Hayward@21:1/5 to Sam Plusnet on Tue Oct 24 09:34:45 2023
    On 23/10/2023 19:58, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 23-Oct-23 13:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 in message <uh5l6e$33m83$1@dont-email.me> Max Demian wrote:

    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >>> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >>> the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary
    action or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not
    telling them about your private relationships?

    How about one night stands?

    This is a private company, but, if allowed, I can see a future
    government wanting to role it into the DBS scheme. After all, if
    Maxine Carr had had to tell her employer about Ian Huntley, and the
    DBS scheme had been in place at the time, she could never have become
    teaching assistant to the girls and Huntley wouldn't have had contact
    with them.

    The company I worked for (also private) had a prohibition on
    relationships between managers and subordinates and between pretty
    well anybody in Personnel and other staff. Too long ago now for me to
    remember the exact terms but we did check with external solicitor if
    it was enforceable and he said "yes".

    I did have to enforce it once and we required one of the people
    concerned to leave.

    A very large company I once worked for (many decades back) seemed to
    have such a prohibition, and moved someone when she married her manager.
    But as for as I could discover, this 'rule' was not written down
    anywhere in the (voluminous) employee handbook or employment contracts.

    Thankfully, I never came across any such restrictions. In my time I came
    across many instances of husband & wife operating in the same teams with
    no problem whatsoever.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Graham. on Tue Oct 24 15:45:49 2023
    On 24/10/2023 03:24, Graham. wrote:

    Don't most companies have policies regarding nepotism?

    That's not what this is about. At all.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Tue Oct 24 15:08:45 2023
    On 23/10/2023 18:51, billy bookcase wrote:
    "Tony The Welsh Twat" <tonythewelshtwat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b4c1a0d2-0a10-42e9-9467-1808937af098n@googlegroups.com...

    I never did quite work out how my performance in work (the ony thing a
    company should care about) might be affected if I'd just been nicked for
    ABH..........

    Well your propensity for engaging in acts of violence might certainly
    be of interest to your colleagues; if only to the extent of upgrading
    the first-aid facilities and possibly coming to work "tooled up".

    Depends a bit on the circumstances. IME Most GBH cases occurred when one
    or both of the participants were blind drunk. We had them repaint our
    village hall as Community Repay or whatever it was called. Most of the tradesmen were perfectly good blokes when sober. One had even hit his
    best friend (serious injury) and they were still friends afterwards.

    I felt a bit sorry for one of the military squaddies though. After a 6+
    month tour in Iraq and entirely dry they come back, get blind drunk on
    the first Saturday night out and then deck someone for looking at them
    funny. He wasn't the only one.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Oct 24 15:44:19 2023
    On 23/10/2023 17:35, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 12:25, Max Demian wrote:
    New ITV rules require staff to ‘declare relationships with colleagues’ >> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/22/new-itv-rules-require-staff-to-declare-relationships-with-colleagues

    Policy reportedly includes sexual relationships and friendships, and
    launch follows Phillip Schofield’s resignation over workplace affair

    Under a “Personal Relationships at Work Policy” distributed to all
    staff this month, they are required to declare relationships with
    colleagues which – as well as partners – include “a person living in >> the same household” and “anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or
    close relationship or friendship (whether short or longer term)”,
    according to the Sunday Times.

    It said that people who breach the policy could face disciplinary
    action or even lose their job.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Could an employer really legally sack or discipline you for not
    telling them about your private relationships?

    Where there is a huge power imbalance between the two individuals or in hierarchical military institutions it is a fairly common workplace restriction. The company I worked for back in the 1980's had such a
    policy but was also prepared to break it from time to time when they
    wanted to recruit two engineers who were already married to each other.

    Relationships between senior managers and their reports were strictly forbidden although it didn't stop them happening. One I recall was
    caught in flagrante with one of his underlings at work - not good for
    career advancement. Relationships between peers were not uncommon and although theoretically against the company policy were generally ignored unless they affected smooth running of the company.

    As I said. That Is Not What This Is About. It's about *any* kind of relationship with *anyone*.

    --
    Max Demian

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