• Re: UK Involvement in War Crimes 1

    From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Pamela on Thu Oct 26 10:14:21 2023
    "Pamela" <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote in message news:XnsB0A8C2F55611F91F3A2@135.181.20.170...

    A theoretical question could be raised today about
    recent events: would it have been justified to interrogate
    a member of Hamas using all the methods available if it were
    to have led to the prevention of the recent massacre in Israel?

    Whereas a practical answer would be that any such interrogation
    could only ever confirm what the interrogators should already know.

    If they really got lucky, that is.

    That to maintain utmost security Hamas like all such organisations
    works on the basis of cells, a strict need to know principle
    and strictly one way top down communication with plenty of cut-outs

    So that each cell might contain anything from 3 to 100 members.
    The only thing these people will know is possibly the names of fellow
    cell members. Their only other knowledge of Hamas operations outside
    of their cell, and of the wider organisation is the same as is everybody
    else; what they see on the TV or read in the paper

    In theory each cell is an active service unit held in a perpetual
    state of readiness. In order to maintain morale and readiness
    individual cells are occasionally instructed to launch attacks into
    Israel - which the other cells will read about.

    The decision to launch a co-ordinated attack - as happened here
    and which was and is always a theoretical possibility - could probably
    be taken at very short notice by only a very few people.

    Clearly there will be one member of each cell who actually receives
    the instructions who could possibly be compromised. So he will
    most likely be known to other cell members under a false name and
    identity, which may or may not eventually be linked to an actual
    innocent person .

    Next week: how new members are actually recruited

    It's why I referred to Abu Graib as being worse, because purely
    physical methods were widely used there. Recall the newspaper front
    pages showing a hooded prisoner with his arms out attached to electric
    wires as an example of physical methods.

    The very fact such photographs appeared on newspaper front pages
    gives cause to doubt their veracity. And leads to the suspicion
    that they are more likely propaganda. Most likely to either to
    discredit the torturers or further terrorise potential victims.


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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Nov 12 23:38:07 2023
    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote in message news:xn0o99d7sowfnqq01k@news.individual.net...
    On 12/11/2023 in message <uirg11$8128$1@dont-email.me> billy bookcase wrote:


    On 12/11/2023 in message <uirg11$8128$1@dont-email.me> billy bookcase wrote:


    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote in message >>news:xn0o99aleosxd1b01j@news.individual.net...

    I was rather assuming that we would honour a proper obligation

    THis being an "obligation" to 2,500 then 2,850* now people who in
    1968 were not reckoned to be any longer cost effective

    In what way does that change our obligation?

    Obligations are only obligations when it's any particular
    country's interests to honour them.

    Same as treaties.

    Treaties are simply a reflection of the power relationship
    of the various parties at the time they're drawn up. Some
    will be between equals, some like the Treaty of Versailles
    not.
    As soon as the power relationship changes between those
    countries, along with their various allies, then any treaty
    can be safely ignored. (See above)



    * I won't even bother working out what particular small town
    or village in the UK has a larger population than this

    How would that affect our legal obligation?

    Why should the "obligation" of a UK Govt to 2,850 people
    living on islands 945 miles off the coast of Argentine
    be any bigger than its "obligation" to the 2,850 people
    living in a village in the middle of the UK which will
    need to be cut in half to facilitate a motorway, or HS2 ?

    Or be any greater than any polemical party's "obligation" to
    fulfil its election pledges upon election ?

    Assuming of course that it has any such "obligations"
    and that democracy isn't a total sham.


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