quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the kids'
TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue
Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live with the dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will move
into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

“Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog – the most
famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching
at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

unquote:

To repeat

" Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night.
It was too upsetting."


https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/12/i-was-a-shaking-gibbering-wreck-ex-blue-peter-presenter-yvette-fielding-claims-she-was-bullied-on-the-show


Sadly, Bonnie who died in 2001 is unavailable for comment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml


bb


* Although it could have been worse. Most likely David "Free Dog" Blunkett would have jumped at the chance. So at least Blue Peter viewers were
saved the prospect of watching him droning on, week after week.

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On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the kids'
TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live with the dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will move into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

“Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog – the most
famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

unquote:

To repeat

" Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night. It was too upsetting."

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/12/i-was-a-shaking-gibbering-wreck-ex-blue-peter-presenter-yvette-fielding-claims-she-was-bullied-on-the-show

Sadly, Bonnie who died in 2001 is unavailable for comment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml

bb

* Although it could have been worse. Most likely David "Free Dog" Blunkett would have jumped at the chance. So at least Blue Peter viewers were
saved the prospect of watching him droning on, week after week.

What is slightly unusual is that in this instance the presenter was not
being bullied or harassed by male bosses or colleagues. The (alleged)
bully was Biddy Baxter, the iconic and inspirational producer of Blue
Peter.

I never watched Blue Peter - even back in the days of Valerie Singleton
it always seemed incredibly dull and I don't know of any children who
made a point of watching it when it was broadcast.

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On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the kids'
TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live with the dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will move into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

“Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog – the most
famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

The poor dear actually worked for 5 full years on Blue Peter, from 29
June 1987 to 29 June 1992, when she must have been 23, and which is four
years after the apparently appalling abuse and the obvious horror of
living with a lovely dog.

I can only assume she liked the money rather more than she disliked the
dog or any 'bullying' she suffered.

But why is she raising this insignificant non-issue now, I wonder? Has
her career foundered and she desperately needs the publicity, or has she written a book she wants to flog for Christmas? They're the usual reasons.

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On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:11:52 PM UTC+1, The Todal wrote:

On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the kids' TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live with the dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will move into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

“Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog – the most famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

unquote:

To repeat

" Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every night. It was too upsetting."

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/12/i-was-a-shaking-gibbering-wreck-ex-blue-peter-presenter-yvette-fielding-claims-she-was-bullied-on-the-show

Sadly, Bonnie who died in 2001 is unavailable for comment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml

bb

* Although it could have been worse. Most likely David "Free Dog" Blunkett would have jumped at the chance. So at least Blue Peter viewers were
saved the prospect of watching him droning on, week after week.

What is slightly unusual is that in this instance the presenter was not
being bullied or harassed by male bosses or colleagues. The (alleged)
bully was Biddy Baxter, the iconic and inspirational producer of Blue
Peter.

I never watched Blue Peter - even back in the days of Valerie Singleton
it always seemed incredibly dull and I don't know of any children who
made a point of watching it when it was broadcast.

Leila Williams was the first presenter, and was a former Miss Great
Britain, so nothing dull about those episodes. I was surprised to find
her landlady of our local when we moved into Surbiton.

She is still alive, so is a good advert for what you can do with yoghurt pots.

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On 13/10/2023 15:19, Norman Wells wrote:

On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette
Fielding
claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the
kids'
TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the
treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated
similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue
Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live
with the
dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will
move
into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

“Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog – the most
famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner,
scratching
at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

The poor dear actually worked for 5 full years on Blue Peter, from 29
June 1987 to 29 June 1992, when she must have been 23, and which is four years after the apparently appalling abuse and the obvious horror of
living with a lovely dog.

I can only assume she liked the money rather more than she disliked the
dog or any 'bullying' she suffered.

But why is she raising this insignificant non-issue now, I wonder?  Has
her career foundered and she desperately needs the publicity, or has she written a book she wants to flog for Christmas?  They're the usual reasons.

I think she is saying that the way she was treated was inappropriate by
today's standards, which is useful to know even though it doesn't come
up to the same level of inappropriateness as Jimmy Savile or Frank Bough.

Those who worked for red-top newspapers such as The Sun, in the 1970s
and 1980s, were regularly bullied and humiliated by certain editors who
thought it was the best way of incentivising and enthusing the
reporters, who were always expected to find exciting stories by hook or
by crook - usually the latter.

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On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:22:29 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:

But why is she raising this insignificant non-issue now, I wonder? Has
her career foundered and she desperately needs the publicity, or has she written a book she wants to flog for Christmas? They're the usual reasons.

She was just chatting about it on a podcast, I don't see that she's "raising" it
at all.

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"The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:kot0r2F8m83U3@mid.individual.net...

On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette
Fielding
claims she was 'bullied' on the show

TV presenter Yvette Fielding, who made her name as the youngest ever
host of Blue Peter, has claimed she was bullied while working on the
kids'
TV show.

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the
treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated
similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

[...]at one point producers even forced her to live with Bonnie, the Blue
Peter dog, against her will. She became so unhappy she walked out.

"It got to the point where I'd just had enough. Being made to live with
the
dog, I had no say in it: 'You will move out of your flat and you will
move
into this house with the dog'," said Fielding.*

"Given this dog to look after at 18, and not just a dog - the most
famous dog in the country. Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner,
scratching
at the door every night. It was too upsetting.

unquote:

To repeat

" Poor Bonnie was pining for her owner, scratching at the door every
night.
It was too upsetting."


https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/12/i-was-a-shaking-gibbering-wreck-ex-blue-peter-presenter-yvette-fielding-claims-she-was-bullied-on-the-show


Sadly, Bonnie who died in 2001 is unavailable for comment

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml


bb


* Although it could have been worse. Most likely David "Free Dog"
Blunkett
would have jumped at the chance. So at least Blue Peter viewers were
saved the prospect of watching him droning on, week after week.

What is slightly unusual is that in this instance the presenter was not
being bullied or harassed by male bosses or colleagues. The (alleged)
bully was Biddy Baxter, the iconic and inspirational producer of Blue
Peter.

It's all a bit confusing

quote:

She claims that her poor treatment stemmed from her boss Biddy Baxter.
"I wanted her to be so proud of me, yet it was like being beaten by a
parent. Every time I did what I thought was right, she'd come back and
say something awful, or berate me in front of other people. It was
absolutely soul destroying,"commented the presenter.

Once Baxter left the series Fielding claims that her experience of the show fundamentally changed, and she went on to have "an absolute blast" for her remaining four years on the programme. However, despite her unhappiness
at the time, she holds no hard feelings. "The amount of awful people in
the television industry .

[ HOWEVER.... ]

I always thank Biddy because I think, if it wasn't for her, there's no way I would've stood up, told them where to go and got on with it," said Fielding. "She did that.She gave me the balls to do that. And I thank her for that. There's no bitterness there whatsoever.

unquote:

So who exactly is this "them", to whom she refers ? Who she told where to
go ?

I never watched Blue Peter - even back in the days of Valerie Singleton it always seemed incredibly dull and I don't know of any children who made a point of watching it when it was broadcast.

What I never knew was that the Blue Peter dogs usually lived with their
actual owners rather than living with the presenters or at least BBC producers, which I assumed ultimately owned the dogs. Same as police
dogs lived with their handlers.

However, according to the link Bonnie only lived with her owner Leonie
Peacock after she, Bonnie retired

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml


My closest encounter with "Blue Peter" was watching the "Armstrong and
Miller" Spoofs featuring Jessica Ransom. " Jeff won't be with us this week.
As you know Jeff took the money we raised to South America. However while
he was in South America, Jeff met these men who took all the money and
sold him this white powder and explained how he could make even more money."

All three "Which was wrrrrong "


bb

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On 13/10/2023 17:16, billy bookcase wrote:

"The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:kot0r2F8m83U3@mid.individual.net...

On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette
Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says the >>> treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated
similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

quote:

She claims that her poor treatment stemmed from her boss Biddy Baxter.
"I wanted her to be so proud of me, yet it was like being beaten by a
parent. Every time I did what I thought was right, she'd come back and
say something awful, or berate me in front of other people. It was
absolutely soul destroying,"commented the presenter.

Some young people can't take criticism of any sort, can they, even from
a seasoned, highly-experienced and highly-respected professional just
wanting better.

It all sounds a bit 'entitled' and 'millennial' to me.

[ HOWEVER.... ]

I always thank Biddy because I think, if it wasn't for her, there's no way I would've stood up, told them where to go and got on with it," said Fielding. "She did that.She gave me the balls to do that. And I thank her for that. There's no bitterness there whatsoever.

I should think not. The education and experiences Biddy gave her seem
to have stood her in very good stead indeed.

So who exactly is this "them", to whom she refers ? Who she told where to
go ?

Did she in fact even do anything of the sort? This doesn't hang
together at all and it all seems a bit fabricated to me.

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On 13/10/2023 19:17, Norman Wells wrote:

On 13/10/2023 17:16, billy bookcase wrote:

"The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message
news:kot0r2F8m83U3@mid.individual.net...

On 13/10/2023 13:20, billy bookcase wrote:

quote:

'I was a shaking, gibbering wreck': ex-Blue Peter presenter Yvette
Fielding claims she was 'bullied' on the show

The host, who was 18 when she first appeared on the BBC series, says
the
treatment she received was so bad that if a young presenter was treated >>>> similarly today there "would be quite a few implications".

quote:

She claims that her poor treatment stemmed from her boss Biddy Baxter.
"I wanted her to be so proud of me, yet it was like being beaten by a
parent. Every time I did what I thought was right, she'd come back and
say something awful, or berate me in front of other people. It was
absolutely soul destroying,"commented the presenter.

Some young people can't take criticism of any sort, can they, even from
a seasoned, highly-experienced and highly-respected professional just
wanting better.

It all sounds a bit 'entitled' and 'millennial' to me.

Also retrospective. Lots of child film stars coming out of the woodwork
to say what a hard time they had, e.g. Sarah Polley of The Adventures of
Baron Munchausen and Olivia Hussey of Romeo and Juliet (1968); there
must be plenty more.

--
Max Demian

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 09:33:19 -0700 (PDT), David McNeish <davidmcn@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:22:29 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:

But why is she raising this insignificant non-issue now, I wonder? Has
her career foundered and she desperately needs the publicity, or has she
written a book she wants to flog for Christmas? They're the usual reasons.

She was just chatting about it on a podcast, I don't see that she's "raising" it
at all.

Yes, this seems to be the media making a story out of very little. Almost anyone with any length of career, in any field, has some horror stories they can tell, but that doesn't mean that everything was unremittingly bad or
even that those responsible for the horrors were themselves bad people. Fielding herself doesn't seem to have been making a point of complaining,
she was merely relating some anecdotes from her career that she thought
would be of interest to her host and their listeners. That's not at all unreasonable. And I think she's probably right that times have changed, and that what was acceptable back then may not be considered acceptable today.

Mark

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:16:40 +0100, "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote:

What I never knew was that the Blue Peter dogs usually lived with their >actual owners rather than living with the presenters or at least BBC >producers, which I assumed ultimately owned the dogs. Same as police
dogs lived with their handlers.

All but one of the Blue Peter pets belonged to the BBC, until they retired.
Who looked after them varied. Petra, the first Blue Peter dog, lived with Christopher Trace, one of the early presenters. Patch and Shep lived with
John Noakes, and the BBC let him take Shep with him when he left the show. Goldie lived with Simon Groom, and then went to his parents she she was
retired from the show. Other pets were looked after by other members of the production team or third party contractors.

The one exception to the rule that all pets belonged to the BBC was Meg, one
of the later dogs, who was the personal property of presenter Matt Baker and not intended as an on-screen show pet, but turned out to be good on camera
and popular with viewers and so appeared on the show quite often.

However, according to the link Bonnie only lived with her owner Leonie >Peacock after she, Bonnie retired

https://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluepeter/pets/bonnie.shtml

Leonie Pocock (not Peacock) looked after Bonnie during her time on the show, and then became Bonnie's official owner after Bonnie was retired from the
show. Pocock was a BBC employee and part of the production team at the time (she also worked on Live and Kicking, among others).

I suspect that the main reason for getting Fielding to look after Bonnie was the hope that it would enhance their on-screen interaction, in the same way that it had for the dogs looked after by Groom, Noakes and Trace.
Particularly with dogs, having them "belong" to a specific presenter makes their relationship more natural and avoids the need for the dog to be performance-trained - the dog doesn't have to "pretend" to belong to a presenter, it already knows that it does. In the case of Fielding and
Bonnie, that seems not to have worked. But it wasn't unreasonable to try.

Mark

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On 14/10/2023 14:30, Mark Goodge wrote:

I suspect that the main reason for getting Fielding to look after Bonnie was the hope that it would enhance their on-screen interaction, in the same way that it had for the dogs looked after by Groom, Noakes and Trace. Particularly with dogs, having them "belong" to a specific presenter makes their relationship more natural and avoids the need for the dog to be performance-trained - the dog doesn't have to "pretend" to belong to a presenter, it already knows that it does. In the case of Fielding and
Bonnie, that seems not to have worked. But it wasn't unreasonable to try.

There's nothing at all wrong with that, providing everyone agreed on it
before Fielding was taken on. Some people like dogs, but others don't,
and I get the impression Fielding doesn't. But, she was young, and this
was a big break, so maybe she shouldn't have taken on the job, but did?

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On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:18:37 PM UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:

On 13/10/2023 17:16, billy bookcase wrote:

She claims that her poor treatment stemmed from her boss Biddy Baxter.
"I wanted her to be so proud of me, yet it was like being beaten by a parent. Every time I did what I thought was right, she'd come back and
say something awful, or berate me in front of other people. It was absolutely soul destroying,"commented the presenter.

Some young people can't take criticism of any sort, can they, even from
a seasoned, highly-experienced and highly-respected professional just
wanting better.

Beratings will continue until morale improves.

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 15:20:28 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

On 14/10/2023 14:30, Mark Goodge wrote:

I suspect that the main reason for getting Fielding to look after Bonnie was >> the hope that it would enhance their on-screen interaction, in the same way >> that it had for the dogs looked after by Groom, Noakes and Trace.
Particularly with dogs, having them "belong" to a specific presenter makes >> their relationship more natural and avoids the need for the dog to be
performance-trained - the dog doesn't have to "pretend" to belong to a
presenter, it already knows that it does. In the case of Fielding and
Bonnie, that seems not to have worked. But it wasn't unreasonable to try.

There's nothing at all wrong with that, providing everyone agreed on it >before Fielding was taken on. Some people like dogs, but others don't,
and I get the impression Fielding doesn't. But, she was young, and this
was a big break, so maybe she shouldn't have taken on the job, but did?

The problem with entertainment in general is that for every newcomer who
lands a big job, there are a hundred who would happily replace them if given the opportunity. And the people who do get the job know that full well, so
they have little incentive to rock the boat. It's only established stars who get the opportunity to say "no" to things they'd rather not do.

Some might argue that that's exploitative in itself, and in some ways it is. But it's always been the way that showbusiness works, and I don't think that Fielding can reasonably claim she didn't know that.

Mark

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On 13/10/2023 17:33, David McNeish wrote:

On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:22:29 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:

But why is she raising this insignificant non-issue now, I wonder? Has
her career foundered and she desperately needs the publicity, or has she
written a book she wants to flog for Christmas? They're the usual reasons.

She was just chatting about it on a podcast, I don't see that she's "raising" it
at all.

No, heaven forfend! But I note she's just had a new book published on
28 September just in time for the Christmas market.

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 15:00:02 +0100, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:

What is slightly unusual is that in this instance the presenter was not
being bullied or harassed by male bosses or colleagues. The (alleged)
bully was Biddy Baxter, the iconic and inspirational producer of Blue
Peter.

Indeed. Baxter did have a reputation for having an authoritarian approach,
but other presenters didn't necessarily consider it to be unacceptable.
These quotes from a media aricle sum it up quite well:

The trio also recognised the difficult relations they shared with Blue
Peter's legendary editor, Biddy Baxter.

Noakes said: "She was a very, very difficult woman."

Purves, 69, added: "But the programme succeeded - and I've said this many
times - because of her, not in spite of her. She absolutely ruled it; I
didn't always agree with her views, but she was right."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/3145552/Peter-Purves-Valerie-Singleton-and-John-Noakes-will-host-50th-anniversary-Blue-Peter.html
or https://tinyurl.com/ybbsa94y

Even Fielding herself has, on other occasions, been positive about Baxter.
So my impression of her account now, to be honest, is not that Baxter was treating her inappropriately, but that Fielding was - by her own admission - young and inexperienced, and simply ill-prepared for the hard work involved
in being part of a presenting team.

Mark

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On 13/10/2023 15:00, The Todal wrote:

I never watched Blue Peter - even back in the days of Valerie Singleton
it always seemed incredibly dull and I don't know of any children who
made a point of watching it when it was broadcast.

I did (main iteration for me was Val Singleton, Peter Purves and John Noakes[with Shep])early to late 70s. Left to study in '79 and TBH for
the next four years I had bigger concerns than Blue Peter and I was far
to old by the time I had graduated.

I also watched Magpie ( Mmm Jenny Hanley in her 'bingo dress'[1] ).


[1] Eyes down for a full house

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