I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
On 12/10/2023 10:18, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of
the year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for
carrying one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc?
I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week
at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
Once you go over 3.5t GVW I suspect those rules apply. Is your choice of camper van going to be really that big?
As a general rule, carrying goods implied work related activities or
hire and reward. I would trust the words on a forum any more than here.
BICBW
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
On 12/10/2023 10:18 am, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part ofYou say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
the year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for
carrying one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc?
I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week
at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Do you mean things for your own use (in which case, see above), or do
you mean trade goods you hope to sell?
In that latter case, you'd need the appropriate licence for the vehicle,
an operator's licence and insurance which would cover the carriage of
trade goods.
JNugent wrote:
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Aren't cars categorised as "PLG" on the V5 form, i.e. Private/Light
Goods vehicle?
Is it 3.5t before of after loading? In any case I would be going for a
small camper van.
Fredxx:
On 12/10/2023 10:18, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of
the year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for
carrying one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc?
I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week
at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
Once you go over 3.5t GVW I suspect those rules apply. Is your choice of
camper van going to be really that big?
As a general rule, carrying goods implied work related activities or
hire and reward. I would trust the words on a forum any more than here.
BICBW
On 12/10/2023 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
JNugent wrote:
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Aren't cars categorised as "PLG" on the V5 form, i.e. Private/Light
Goods vehicle?
Yes, but I still need a specific clause in my insurance to allow me to
carry goods for the purposes of my business. Otherwise, it is limited to social, domestic and pleasure use. That means shopping or visiting
family and friends. My insurer also includes commuting to a single
workplace in SD&P, but not all do.
On 12/10/2023 17:58, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 12/10/2023 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
JNugent wrote:
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Aren't cars categorised as "PLG" on the V5 form, i.e. Private/Light
Goods vehicle?
Yes, but I still need a specific clause in my insurance to allow me to
carry goods for the purposes of my business. Otherwise, it is limited to
social, domestic and pleasure use. That means shopping or visiting
family and friends. My insurer also includes commuting to a single
workplace in SD&P, but not all do.
I would have thought you would also need a specific clause just for
business use even if not carrying goods.
On 12/10/2023 17:58, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 12/10/2023 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
JNugent wrote:
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased
them. But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping",
whether they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Aren't cars categorised as "PLG" on the V5 form, i.e. Private/Light
Goods vehicle?
Yes, but I still need a specific clause in my insurance to allow me to
carry goods for the purposes of my business. Otherwise, it is limited
to social, domestic and pleasure use. That means shopping or visiting
family and friends. My insurer also includes commuting to a single
workplace in SD&P, but not all do.
I would have thought you would also need a specific clause just for
business use even if not carrying goods.
JNugent wrote:
You say "goods", which is, to say the least, ambiguous.
Most of us carry "goods" in our cars, private vans and SUVs at least
once a week - home from the supermarket where we have purchased them.
But we rarely use the word "goods" as opposed to "shopping", whether
they consist of a loaf of bread or a 48" TV.
However, the word you use rings alarm bells.
Aren't cars categorised as "PLG" on the V5 form, i.e. Private/Light
Goods vehicle?
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at
best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
SF
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:18:05 +0000, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I
repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at
best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
SF
This would be a bit of a shock to camper van/motor home owners with kids
at University.
The start/end of term shuttle usually involves the camper as there is more space for all the "useful things" offspring "need".
I noted down(up?) thread a mention of different rules for over 3.5 tonnes which might also be a shock to some as a lot of motor homes are rated
higher.
Will be watching.
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for >insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for >accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the >highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I >repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
On 13/10/2023 17:00, David wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:18:05 +0000, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of
the year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for
carrying one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc?
I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week
at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
SF
This would be a bit of a shock to camper van/motor home owners with
kids at University.
The start/end of term shuttle usually involves the camper as there is
more space for all the "useful things" offspring "need".
I noted down(up?) thread a mention of different rules for over 3.5
tonnes which might also be a shock to some as a lot of motor homes are
rated higher.
Will be watching.
The Government classes motorhomes as good vehicles if they:
carry goods for exhibition and sale, or are used as a workshop, or are
used for storage
Motorhomes over 3.05 Tonne MUW are also subject to lower speed limits on single and dual carriageways. Both sets of information here:
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Insurers may, of course, choose to set their own additional restrictions
on their use.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 22:50:11 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 13/10/2023 17:00, David wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:18:05 +0000, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of
the year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper >>>> van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for
carrying one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc?
I repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week
at best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
SF
This would be a bit of a shock to camper van/motor home owners with
kids at University.
The start/end of term shuttle usually involves the camper as there is
more space for all the "useful things" offspring "need".
I noted down(up?) thread a mention of different rules for over 3.5
tonnes which might also be a shock to some as a lot of motor homes are
rated higher.
Will be watching.
The Government classes motorhomes as good vehicles if they:
carry goods for exhibition and sale, or are used as a workshop, or are
used for storage
Motorhomes over 3.05 Tonne MUW are also subject to lower speed limits on
single and dual carriageways. Both sets of information here:
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Insurers may, of course, choose to set their own additional restrictions
on their use.
"Used for storage" is another interesting and possibly ambiguous one. :-)
I assume it is aimed at parking up a derelict MH and then using it to
store goods long term.
Much like derelict Luton vans.
Not to keep a table and chairs under cover over the winter.
Also, 3.05 Tonnes MUW is probably something an owner of a 3.5 Tonne is unlikely to accurately know.
The Unladen Weight on the vehicle plate is quite likely to be inaccurate
if any additional features have been added post manufacture, from an extra battery to solar panels to tow bar to.....
Cheers
Dave R
On 12/10/2023 10:18, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I
repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at best. >>
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
Once you go over 3.5t GVW I suspect those rules apply. Is your choice of camper van going to be really that big?
As a general rule, carrying goods implied work related activities or
hire and reward. I would trust the words on a forum any more than here.
BICBW
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:18:05 +0000, Simon Ferrol wrote:
I am thinking of buying a camper van because I want to spend part of the
year in warmer climates.
I also need to refurbish my flat (which I need to keep for
insurance/tax/DVLA/HMRC pursposes).
There are a lot of goods that I could collect for free if I had a van
and I am missing out on all of them.
As tax and insurance for a van is much higher than a camper van, I
though that I could catch two birds with one stone by using the camper
van (occasionally, not as a trade) to carry goods in/out of my flat.
But then I read this on a camper van forum:
" This vehicle needs an MOT certificate from xx/xx/20xx but goods
vehicle certificate required now if vehicle carrying goods/burden not
needed by the user for accommodation purposes on the vehicle."
How would you interpret the "goods/burden not needed by the user for
accommodation purposes on the vehicle"?
Would that be interpreted as for commercial purposes, or could the
highway/metropolitan police potentially stop me and fine me for carrying
one of these goods on the camper van?
What is involved here: just MOT or also different tax/insurance, etc? I
repeat, this would be occasional, maybe a couple of times per week at
best.
I know of people who "just do it" but I want to be on the safe side.
SF
This would be a bit of a shock to camper van/motor home owners with kids
at University.
The start/end of term shuttle usually involves the camper as there is more space for all the "useful things" offspring "need".
I noted down(up?) thread a mention of different rules for over 3.5 tonnes which might also be a shock to some as a lot of motor homes are rated
higher.
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