displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-jenrick- west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about "supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home Secretary suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel there must be something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against them.

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Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-jenrick- west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about "supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home Secretary suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel there must be something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against them.

Sadly, Braverman will do nothing.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:29:48 +0000, Brian wrote:

Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-

jenrick-

west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about
"supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home
Secretary suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel
there must be something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against
them.

Sadly, Braverman will do nothing.

JOOI what do you believe she should be doing ?

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On 09/10/2023 16:29, Brian wrote:

Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-jenrick-
west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about
"supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home Secretary
suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel there must be
something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against them.

Sadly, Braverman will do nothing.

She has had training as a lawyer, but all her legal advice to the nation
is inaccurate and unreliable. She is a dimwit. And we can rely on the
police to prosecute those who commit hate crimes, without Braverman
trying to ingratiate herself with the Jewish community by threatening demonstrators.

It must be lawful to demonstrate against the actions of the Israeli
government, which now intends to pulverise all the non combatant
civilians in Gaza to teach them not to vote for Hamas.

I hope the Hamas terrorists are captured and punished severely, and I'm
sure it's lawful to say that. Unfortunately it's probably lawful for
Israel's supporters to say that Gaza must be razed to the ground and its inhabitants exterminated.

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On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 18:53:36 UTC+1, Brian wrote:

Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-jenrick- west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about "supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home Secretary suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel there must be something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against them.

Sadly, Braverman will do nothing.

Surely that is a good thing as everything she doesn’t stand up to the slightest moral, ethical or intellectual examination?

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 19:15:50 +0100, The Todal wrote:

On 09/10/2023 16:29, Brian wrote:

Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

displays of support for Hamas.

So how does that work ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-robert-

jenrick-

west-london-israel-hamas-b1112092.html

Flying a flag ?

Beeping as you go past a flag ?

Suggesting Israel might not have some responsibility ?

I have to admit in such a nuanced situation I would be hesitant about
"supporting" any one side. That was until our illustrious Home
Secretary suggested it would be illegal for me to do so. Now I feel
there must be something noteworthy in Hamas actions if she is against
them.

Sadly, Braverman will do nothing.

She has had training as a lawyer, but all her legal advice to the nation
is inaccurate and unreliable. She is a dimwit. And we can rely on the
police to prosecute those who commit hate crimes, without Braverman
trying to ingratiate herself with the Jewish community by threatening demonstrators.

It must be lawful to demonstrate against the actions of the Israeli government, which now intends to pulverise all the non combatant
civilians in Gaza to teach them not to vote for Hamas.

I hope the Hamas terrorists are captured and punished severely, and I'm
sure it's lawful to say that. Unfortunately it's probably lawful for
Israel's supporters to say that Gaza must be razed to the ground and its inhabitants exterminated.

Gaza delenda est ?

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I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg
that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

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On 15/10/2023 12:36, Jethro_uk wrote:

I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg
that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

I can't see any point to the post, but it's not threatening, so why
would anyone take action?

Or, is it threatening in some obscure way that has gone whooshing past me?

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 14:01:00 +0100, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 12:36, Jethro_uk wrote:

I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg
that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

I can't see any point to the post, but it's not threatening, so why
would anyone take action?

Or, is it threatening in some obscure way that has gone whooshing past
me?

I was merely demonstrating that there are clearly a few people like
myself who feel slightly put upon being told what we must think.

Bearing in mind the words in the press (it would be an insult to call
them reporting) were very much "Wave this flag, and you're nicked, sonny
jim".

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On 15/10/2023 16:50, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 14:01:00 +0100, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 12:36, Jethro_uk wrote:

I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg
that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

I can't see any point to the post, but it's not threatening, so why
would anyone take action?

Or, is it threatening in some obscure way that has gone whooshing past
me?

I was merely demonstrating that there are clearly a few people like
myself who feel slightly put upon being told what we must think.

Bearing in mind the words in the press (it would be an insult to call
them reporting) were very much "Wave this flag, and you're nicked, sonny jim".

Which press said that? There have been pro-Palestine rallies in London,
which have passed off entirely peacefully. I wasn't present, but I'd
expect that Palestine flags were waved.

Maybe, you should read some different newspapers?

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On 15/10/2023 20:10, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 16:50, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 14:01:00 +0100, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 12:36, Jethro_uk wrote:

I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg >>>> that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

I can't see any point to the post, but it's not threatening, so why
would anyone take action?

Or, is it threatening in some obscure way that has gone whooshing past
me?

I was merely demonstrating that there are clearly a few people like
myself who feel slightly put upon being told what we must think.

Bearing in mind the words in the press (it would be an insult to call
them reporting) were very much "Wave this flag, and you're nicked, sonny
jim".

Which press said that? There have been pro-Palestine rallies in London,
which have passed off entirely peacefully. I wasn't present, but I'd
expect that Palestine flags were waved.

Maybe, you should read some different newspapers?

In the UK, waving the Palestinian flag is not illegal. Waving the Hamas
flag is likely to count as supporting an outlawed terrorist
organisation, which is illegal.

--
Colin Bignell

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On 15/10/2023 20:10, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 16:50, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 14:01:00 +0100, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 12:36, Jethro_uk wrote:

I note with interest a post in my local FB group of a Palestinian falg >>>> that has had "This is for you Suella Braverman" written on it.

Presumably doors will be kicked in ?

I can't see any point to the post, but it's not threatening, so why
would anyone take action?

Or, is it threatening in some obscure way that has gone whooshing past
me?

I was merely demonstrating that there are clearly a few people like
myself who feel slightly put upon being told what we must think.

Bearing in mind the words in the press (it would be an insult to call
them reporting) were very much "Wave this flag, and you're nicked, sonny
jim".

Which press said that? There have been pro-Palestine rallies in London,
which have passed off entirely peacefully. I wasn't present, but I'd
expect that Palestine flags were waved.

Maybe, you should read some different newspapers?

Oops, I exaggerated the peacefulness. One man was arrested for shouting
racial abuse at the protesters (and the police) and waving a UK flag.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67115772

Note the many Palestinian flags in the photo.

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On 15/10/2023 20:15, Colin Bignell wrote:

In the UK, waving the Palestinian flag is not illegal. Waving the Hamas
flag is likely to count as supporting an outlawed terrorist
organisation, which is illegal.

I entirely agree. In practice, you might get away with waving a Hamas
flag, because nobody would recognise it!

There's some info here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version



Proscription makes it a criminal offence to:

belong, or profess to belong, to a proscribed organisation in the UK or overseas (section 11 of the Act)
invite support for a proscribed organisation (the support invited need
not be material support, such as the provision of money or other
property, and can also include moral support or approval) (section 12(1)) express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed
organisation, reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation
(section 12(1A))
arrange, manage or assist in arranging or managing a meeting in the
knowledge that the meeting is to support or further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or is to be addressed by a person who belongs
or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation (section 12(2)); or
to address a meeting if the purpose of the address is to encourage
support for, or further the activities of, a proscribed organisation
(section 12(3))
wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in
such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that the individual
is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation (section 13)
publish an image of an item of clothing or other article, such as a flag
or logo, in the same circumstances (section 13(1A))


The penalties for proscription offences under sections 11 and 12 are a
maximum of 14 years in prison and/or a fine. The maximum penalty for a
section 13 offence is 6 months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding £5,000.

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On 15/10/2023 20:34, GB wrote:

On 15/10/2023 20:15, Colin Bignell wrote:

In the UK, waving the Palestinian flag is not illegal. Waving the
Hamas flag is likely to count as supporting an outlawed terrorist
organisation, which is illegal.

I entirely agree. In practice, you might get away with waving a Hamas
flag, because nobody would recognise it!...

If the police at a pro-Palestinian march don't recognise the Hamas flag,
they haven't been briefed properly.


--
Colin Bignell

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 20:16:33 +0100, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

Oops, I exaggerated the peacefulness. One man was arrested for shouting >racial abuse at the protesters (and the police) and waving a UK flag.

Although, to forestall the obvious comments from the 'kipperite tendency,
the police did make it clear that the flag "was in no way the reason for his arrest and forms no part of the charges against him".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67115772

Note the many Palestinian flags in the photo.

And also the fact that 15 people were arrested at the protest, including for assaults on emergency workers. So not entirely peaceful, as you say.

Mark

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