"Accept" has nothing to do with it. They're here regardless. Saying
"we don't accept you" doesn't make them magically vanish.
If your question is "why can't we return them to that safe country",
the answer is "because of Brexit".
On 21/04/2023 15:38, Jon Ribbens wrote:
"Accept" has nothing to do with it. They're here regardless. Saying
"we don't accept you" doesn't make them magically vanish.
If your question is "why can't we return them to that safe country",
the answer is "because of Brexit".
I've missed something here.
I thought that while we were in the EU people had freedom of movement,
which meant that any EU citizen could come here legally.
Now we are not in the EU this is no longer the case (and has led to
labour shortages in some areas).
Surely this means that we can now return some people we couldn't return before? I don't see how Brexit affects it.
Of course the biggest nationality at the moment seems to be Albanian,
and they have never had the right to come here.
That last sentence is exactly the point you're missing. When we're
talking about "small boat crossings" we're not talking about EU
citizens. They're non-EU citizens who have merely travelled through
the EU to get here.
Before Brexit, there was a rule called the "Dublin III Regulation",
which said that in that exact situation, we could generally speaking
return the asylum seeker to the EU country they had travelled through
to get to us, and that EU country would be required to accept them
back.
Now that we are enjoying the marvels and splendours of Brexit, the
Dublin III Regulation no longer covers us, and so we cannot demand
that EU countries take asylum seekers back.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
But I still don't know why they aren't sending Albanians back on the
next flight to Tirana.
On 25/04/2023 15:14, Jon Ribbens wrote:
That last sentence is exactly the point you're missing. When we're
talking about "small boat crossings" we're not talking about EU
citizens. They're non-EU citizens who have merely travelled through
the EU to get here.
Before Brexit, there was a rule called the "Dublin III Regulation",
which said that in that exact situation, we could generally speaking
return the asylum seeker to the EU country they had travelled through
to get to us, and that EU country would be required to accept them
back.
Now that we are enjoying the marvels and splendours of Brexit, the
Dublin III Regulation no longer covers us, and so we cannot demand
that EU countries take asylum seekers back.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
Ah, thank you.
However...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle
suggests that there was a camp in France holding many people, at least some of
whom were trying to get to Britain, while the UK was still in the EU. They used
to stow away on lorries, but better customs checks have stopped that.
But I still don't know why they aren't sending Albanians back on the next flight
to Tirana.
Andy
On 25/04/2023 16:23, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 25/04/2023 15:14, Jon Ribbens wrote:
That last sentence is exactly the point you're missing. When we're
talking about "small boat crossings" we're not talking about EU
citizens. They're non-EU citizens who have merely travelled through
the EU to get here.
Before Brexit, there was a rule called the "Dublin III Regulation",
which said that in that exact situation, we could generally speaking
return the asylum seeker to the EU country they had travelled through
to get to us, and that EU country would be required to accept them
back.
Now that we are enjoying the marvels and splendours of Brexit, the
Dublin III Regulation no longer covers us, and so we cannot demand
that EU countries take asylum seekers back.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
Ah, thank you.
However...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle
suggests that there was a camp in France holding many people, at least
some of whom were trying to get to Britain, while the UK was still in
the EU. They used to stow away on lorries, but better customs checks
have stopped that.
But I still don't know why they aren't sending Albanians back on the
next flight to Tirana.
Andy
They claim asylum citing "modern slavery" apparently. Some of them anyway.
On 25/04/2023 15:14, Jon Ribbens wrote:
That last sentence is exactly the point you're missing. When we're
talking about "small boat crossings" we're not talking about EU
citizens. They're non-EU citizens who have merely travelled through
the EU to get here.
Before Brexit, there was a rule called the "Dublin III Regulation",
which said that in that exact situation, we could generally speaking
return the asylum seeker to the EU country they had travelled through
to get to us, and that EU country would be required to accept them
back.
Now that we are enjoying the marvels and splendours of Brexit, the
Dublin III Regulation no longer covers us, and so we cannot demand
that EU countries take asylum seekers back.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
Ah, thank you.
However...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle
suggests that there was a camp in France holding many people, at least
some of whom were trying to get to Britain, while the UK was still in
the EU. They used to stow away on lorries, but better customs checks
have stopped that.
But I still don't know why they aren't sending Albanians back on the
next flight to Tirana.
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