So far, I've not found a steep enough hill to go down to test it.
In Cambridgeshire, which is well known for its flatness.
Or anywhere else yet. Although the ramps between multi-story car
park levels in Cambridgeshire are much the same as everywhere else.
You use cruise control inside a car park?!?!?!?
In message <5ARvkJ4RqqPkFAFp@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
In message <tTPhZUHmhvNkFwWY@brattleho.plus.com>, at 19:28:54 on Wed,
12 Apr 2023, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> remarked:
In message <$i0O8EpP$sNkFAWa@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
Or just as likely, drive down a road between two villages which used
to have 40, then back to 30, signs for perhaps a mile in the open >>>>countryside between, but someone quietly removed the 40 signs
meaning the road was now a 30 limit.
Apart from having the requisite street lighting for a 30 limit, speed >>>signs don't 'last for ever'. They require regular repeaters to remind
you that you are still in that speed limit zone.
For the longest time "30 repeaters" weren't allowed. Especially in the >>circumstances I outlined above. But I think they are creeping in.
Repeater signs were supposedly not allowed where there was no need to
have them - typically when the frequency of street lights was
sufficient to indicate it was a 30 limit. I think the repeated use of
30 road markings is, if not illegal, is not really approved.
You leave a 30 zone, and enter a 40 zone, there will then be regular
40 repeaters. If someone removes the first (large) 40 sign, you will
soon be made aware that you are no longer in the 30 zone, but are now
a 40 zone. In the absence of any 40 sign or 40 repeaters, and
inadequate street lighting to qualify as a 30 zone, you will be in a
60 NSL zone (if single carriageway).
Which is all very well in the general case, but the road had that half
mile of 40 between the two villages before, which has magically >>disappeared, and most drivers won't notice and assume it's still 40
like has been almost their entire life.
I don't think that most drivers will mind being inconvenienced if they >accidentally stick to a now non-existent 40 limit, instead of legally
being allowed to travel at 60 for a few hundred yards.
In message <wWZ249C2mrPkFwlc@brattleho.plus.com>, at 16:39:34 on Tue,
18 Apr 2023, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> remarked:
In message <5ARvkJ4RqqPkFAFp@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
In message <tTPhZUHmhvNkFwWY@brattleho.plus.com>, at 19:28:54 on Wed,
12 Apr 2023, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> remarked:
In message <$i0O8EpP$sNkFAWa@perry.uk>, Roland Perry >>>><roland@perry.co.uk> writes
Or just as likely, drive down a road between two villages which used >>>>>to have 40, then back to 30, signs for perhaps a mile in the open >>>>>countryside between, but someone quietly removed the 40 signs
meaning the road was now a 30 limit.
Apart from having the requisite street lighting for a 30 limit,
speed signs don't 'last for ever'. They require regular repeaters to >>>>remind you that you are still in that speed limit zone.
For the longest time "30 repeaters" weren't allowed. Especially in
the circumstances I outlined above. But I think they are creeping in.
Repeater signs were supposedly not allowed where there was no need to
have them - typically when the frequency of street lights was
sufficient to indicate it was a 30 limit. I think the repeated use of
30 road markings is, if not illegal, is not really approved.
You leave a 30 zone, and enter a 40 zone, there will then be regular
40 repeaters. If someone removes the first (large) 40 sign, you will >>>>soon be made aware that you are no longer in the 30 zone, but are
now a 40 zone. In the absence of any 40 sign or 40 repeaters, and >>>>inadequate street lighting to qualify as a 30 zone, you will be in a
60 NSL zone (if single carriageway).
Which is all very well in the general case, but the road had that
half mile of 40 between the two villages before, which has magically >>>disappeared, and most drivers won't notice and assume it's still 40
like has been almost their entire life.
I don't think that most drivers will mind being inconvenienced if they >>accidentally stick to a now non-existent 40 limit, instead of legally
being allowed to travel at 60 for a few hundred yards.
No, the roads in question )often misleadingly in open countryside
between villages used to be 40 for a several hundred yards, but
removing a couple of roadsigns made them 30 mph like the villages
either side.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> writes
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> remarked:
I don't think that most drivers will mind being inconvenienced if
they accidentally stick to a now non-existent 40 limit, instead of
legally being allowed to travel at 60 for a few hundred yards.
No, the roads in question )often misleadingly in open countryside
between villages used to be 40 for a several hundred yards, but
removing a couple of roadsigns made them 30 mph like the villages
either side.
A 30 limit requires street lamps to be spaced at not more than 183
metres apart, or repeaters. In the absence of such street lighting,
there must be 30mph repeaters. [Repeaters are also required when the
limit is 40 or 50.] In the absence of repeaters, the default limit is 60
for a single carriageway, and 70 for dual. Whether the speed limit
between the two villages changes to 30 when the 40 signs are removed, or changes (by default) to 60, will depend on the distance between the two villages, and whether there is adequate street lighting to obviate the
need for repeaters.
In message <CrgdNa7ZqMTkFABp@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
In message <wWZ249C2mrPkFwlc@brattleho.plus.com>, at 16:39:34 on Tue,
18 Apr 2023, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> remarked:
In message <5ARvkJ4RqqPkFAFp@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
In message <tTPhZUHmhvNkFwWY@brattleho.plus.com>, at 19:28:54 on
Wed, 12 Apr 2023, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> >>>>remarked:
In message <$i0O8EpP$sNkFAWa@perry.uk>, Roland Perry >>>>><roland@perry.co.uk> writes
Or just as likely, drive down a road between two villages which used >>>>>>to have 40, then back to 30, signs for perhaps a mile in the open >>>>>>countryside between, but someone quietly removed the 40 signs >>>>>>meaning the road was now a 30 limit.
Apart from having the requisite street lighting for a 30 limit,
speed signs don't 'last for ever'. They require regular repeaters
to remind you that you are still in that speed limit zone.
For the longest time "30 repeaters" weren't allowed. Especially in
the circumstances I outlined above. But I think they are creeping in.
Repeater signs were supposedly not allowed where there was no need to >>>have them - typically when the frequency of street lights was
sufficient to indicate it was a 30 limit. I think the repeated use of
30 road markings is, if not illegal, is not really approved.
You leave a 30 zone, and enter a 40 zone, there will then be
regular 40 repeaters. If someone removes the first (large) 40 sign, >>>>>you will soon be made aware that you are no longer in the 30 zone, >>>>>but are now a 40 zone. In the absence of any 40 sign or 40
repeaters, and inadequate street lighting to qualify as a 30 zone, >>>>>you will be in a 60 NSL zone (if single carriageway).
Which is all very well in the general case, but the road had that
half mile of 40 between the two villages before, which has magically >>>>disappeared, and most drivers won't notice and assume it's still 40 >>>>like has been almost their entire life.
I don't think that most drivers will mind being inconvenienced if
they accidentally stick to a now non-existent 40 limit, instead of >>>legally being allowed to travel at 60 for a few hundred yards.
No, the roads in question (often misleadingly in open countryside
between villages) used to be 40 for a several hundred yards, but
removing a couple of roadsigns made them 30 mph like the villages
either side.
A 30 limit requires street lamps to be spaced at not more than 183
metres apart, or repeaters. In the absence of such street lighting,
there must be 30mph repeaters. [Repeaters are also required when the
limit is 40 or 50.] In the absence of repeaters, the default limit is
60 for a single carriageway, and 70 for dual. Whether the speed limit
between the two villages changes to 30 when the 40 signs are removed,
or changes (by default) to 60, will depend on the distance between the
two villages, and whether there is adequate street lighting to obviate
the need for repeaters.
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