DOLF @ 0804 HOURS ON 29 NOVEMBER 2021: "It seems that you have lost
direction and your goose is cooked ...
The DAO TE CHING for today is #47 - Ignorant Guides, Viewing the Distant:
“The farther you go, the less you know.
Thus the sage knows without travelling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.” [Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 47]
And then you went on verbose tangents in an attempt to conceal that fact."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 1208 HOURS ON 30 NOVEMBER 2021: "How is it
possible to act against the Dao?
I don't know what you are referring to."
DOLF @ 1224 HOURS ON 1 DECEMBER 2021: "The spoken Dao is not the Dao, so I don’t know why you use so many words…
<https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>
#373 as [#30, #70, #3, #70, #200] = lógos (G3056): {UMBRA: #373 % #41 =
#4} 1) of speech; 1a) a *WORD*, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea; 1b) what someone has said; 1b1) a word; 1b2) the
sayings of God; 1b3) decree, mandate or order; 1b4) of the moral precepts given by God; 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets; 1b6) what
is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum,
a maxim; 1c) discourse; 1c1) the act of speaking, speech; 1c2) the faculty
of speech, skill and practice in speaking; 1c3) a kind or style of
speaking; 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction; 1d) doctrine, teaching; 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative; 1f)
matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute,
case, suit at law; 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed; 2) *ITS* *USE* *AS* *RESPECT* *TO* *THE* *MIND* *ALONE*; 2a) reason, the
mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating; 2b)
account, i.e. regard, consideration; 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score;
2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment; 2e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation; 2e1) reason would; 2f) reason, cause, ground; 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's
life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's
salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the
second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.;
Try number instead…
The suggestion given of the name DAO TE CHING conveys the changes necessary to obtain the virtue (TE) of DAO."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0014 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I have no idea
what you're referring to.
Mixing and matching Romanizations occurs.
To obtain the De of Dao, or Teh of Tao, may suggest some body or individual has lost Tao.
A virtue of being in the Zone is to experience wonder.
One may wonder, how does one arrive in, stay in, know
and be in the Zone and if such a state is possible forever.
How long is eternity.
How long does the present last.
Now is the time at all times now is.
A great gift, the present, unfolds.
To be an eternal, an immortal, with Tao Chia, is possible.
To not identify with mortality seeing as how duality suggests,
when mortality exists, not-mortality also exists. TTC 2 articulates.
Beyond being either/or
Prior to nonbeing both/and
Not-two, not-one, not any thing
Neither a non-thing nor nothing
The above batch of #373 appear to be like a dictionary of a sort.
Forgetting about words might be a technique.
Thinking without words is possible and perhaps common when being
spontaneous, prior to words emerging, naturally."
DOLF @ 1244 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I ought to confess that I had
written my “so many words” statement before then doing a time check and in
being satisfied then made sure it was posted without further delay @ 1224 hours."
#316 as [#8, #6, #300, #2] / #316 as [#8, #300, #2, #6] / #365 as [#5, #8, #300, #2, #10, #600] / #310 as [#8, #300, #2] =
châshab (H2803): {UMBRA: #310 % #41 = #23} 1) to think, plan, esteem, calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to
think, account; 1a2) to plan, devise, mean; 1a3) to charge, impute, reckon; 1a4) to esteem, value, regard; 1a5) to invent; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be accounted, be thought, be esteemed; 1b2) to be computed, be reckoned; 1b3)
to be imputed; 1c) (Piel); 1c1) to think upon, consider, be mindful of;
1c2) *TO* *THINK* *TO* *DO*, *DEVISE*, *PLAN*; 1c3) to count, reckon; 1d) (Hithpael) to be considered;
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Initial Post: 23 November 2021
DOLF @ 0804 HOURS ON 29 NOVEMBER 2021: "It seems that you have lost
direction and your goose is cooked ...
The DAO TE CHING for today is #47 - Ignorant Guides, Viewing the Distant:
“The farther you go, the less you know.
Thus the sage knows without travelling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.” [Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 47]
And then you went on verbose tangents in an attempt to conceal that fact."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 1208 HOURS ON 30 NOVEMBER 2021: "How is it
possible to act against the Dao?
I don't know what you are referring to."
DOLF @ 1224 HOURS ON 1 DECEMBER 2021: "The spoken Dao is not the Dao, so I don’t know why you use so many words…
<https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>
#373 as [#30, #70, #3, #70, #200] = lógos (G3056): {UMBRA: #373 % #41 =
#4} 1) of speech; 1a) a *WORD*, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea; 1b) what someone has said; 1b1) a word; 1b2) the
sayings of God; 1b3) decree, mandate or order; 1b4) of the moral precepts given by God; 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets; 1b6) what
is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum,
a maxim; 1c) discourse; 1c1) the act of speaking, speech; 1c2) the faculty
of speech, skill and practice in speaking; 1c3) a kind or style of
speaking; 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction; 1d) doctrine, teaching; 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative; 1f)
matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute,
case, suit at law; 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed; 2) *ITS* *USE* *AS* *RESPECT* *TO* *THE* *MIND* *ALONE*; 2a) reason, the
mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating; 2b)
account, i.e. regard, consideration; 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score;
2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment; 2e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation; 2e1) reason would; 2f) reason, cause, ground; 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's
life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's
salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the
second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.;
Try number instead…
The suggestion given of the name DAO TE CHING conveys the changes necessary to obtain the virtue (TE) of DAO."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0014 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I have no idea
what you're referring to.
Mixing and matching Romanizations occurs.
To obtain the De of Dao, or Teh of Tao, may suggest some body or individual has lost Tao.
A virtue of being in the Zone is to experience wonder.
One may wonder, how does one arrive in, stay in, know
and be in the Zone and if such a state is possible forever.
How long is eternity.
How long does the present last.
Now is the time at all times now is.
A great gift, the present, unfolds.
To be an eternal, an immortal, with Tao Chia, is possible.
To not identify with mortality seeing as how duality suggests,
when mortality exists, not-mortality also exists. TTC 2 articulates.
Beyond being either/or
Prior to nonbeing both/and
Not-two, not-one, not any thing
Neither a non-thing nor nothing
The above batch of #373 appear to be like a dictionary of a sort.
Forgetting about words might be a technique.
Thinking without words is possible and perhaps common when being
spontaneous, prior to words emerging, naturally."
DOLF @ 1244 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I ought to confess that I had
written my “so many words” statement before then doing a time check and in
being satisfied then made sure it was posted without further delay @ 1224 hours."
#316 as [#8, #6, #300, #2] / #316 as [#8, #300, #2, #6] / #365 as [#5, #8, #300, #2, #10, #600] / #310 as [#8, #300, #2] =
châshab (H2803): {UMBRA: #310 % #41 = #23} 1) to think, plan, esteem, calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to
think, account; 1a2) to plan, devise, mean; 1a3) to charge, impute, reckon; 1a4) to esteem, value, regard; 1a5) to invent; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be accounted, be thought, be esteemed; 1b2) to be computed, be reckoned; 1b3)
to be imputed; 1c) (Piel); 1c1) to think upon, consider, be mindful of;
1c2) *TO* *THINK* *TO* *DO*, *DEVISE*, *PLAN*; 1c3) to count, reckon; 1d) (Hithpael) to be considered;
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Initial Post: 23 November 2021
dolf wrote:
You sometimes make insightful comments and if I aggregate them with my own >> conceptions on the subject it accords me a comprehensive syncretic
progression of the topic.
Tao Chia has interested me since late 1996
after exploring newsgroups for a second time.
In the early 1990s,
there wasn't any group
that captured my attention.
One seldom finds on Usenet persons who are focusing on the topic rather
than personal attacks
Flames are a common Usenet phenomenon.
In fact, here, in this bamboo grove, there was
upon my arrival a poster who held a position
such that Tao was G-d and was criticized
without remorse to an absurd degree.
At first, being somewhat of a perennialist, eclectic,
syncretistic thinker of mystical states myself, to understand
what the problem was, was difficult for me until differences
were explained to a point where the fog lifted.
Seeing everyone as assumed to be saying the same sort
of neoplatonic idea, in a mystical fog, is not uncommon.
With some paradigms, every one and all things are
God as a given such as pantheism.
With Taoism, gods are okay and even a Supreme Being,
the Supreme Lord on High, Shang Ti, or simply Ti, for short,
is an interpretation of TTC 4, except Tao is prior to Ti.
https://terebess.hu/english/tao/gia.html#Kap04
Of note is how in Jane English's revision of the Feng-English
version the word, gods, is changed to emperors.
Interpretations of a word, a name, may vary
as perhaps is suggested by TTC 1.2.a.b.
http://www.mobilewords.pro/Tao/chap04.htm#top
Sentence 5 at the above mobilewords.pro site
appears to have a term seen as Lord or God a lot.
Hatcher's matrix uses the pinyin di aka Di for Ti
in the final line of DDJ 4.
https://alidark.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/laozib1.pdf
Dao appears to be fluid (04a) if not neutral or compliant,
similar to water metaphorically and to wonder if Dao
had a source or who or what its mother was, was
by an author of a saying or a sayer of one when
before writing an oral tradition was said to be.
DDJ 4 may suggest Dao is in all things
as the words, wan-wu, the 10k, appears.
The Feng-English TTC 4 has Tao
as the source of ten thousand things.
A seeker seeking consistency might be curious
about the source of wan-wu. Is the source, Three.
Is the source, Being. Is the speaker/writer neoplatonic.
Given ancient thought in the region, an organic view,
a world-view where tzu-jan/ziran is seen organically as
natural, things are born, three is, two is, one is, and
to presume Tao is the child as well could have bins.
In various TTC verses, the source varies.
In TTC 4, Tao is the source. In TTC 1, the nameless
wu-ming, is the beginning of heaven and earth given
the Feng-English interpretation. Yu-ming is the mother.
And, in TTC 1, the two, be they wu-ming and yu-ming
or mystery and manifestation, are sides of a unity, prehaps.
Xuan or xuan-xuan could be called, the Source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuanxue
Neidan may be an art if not a physical science.
Inner alchemical formulas vary among paradigms.
dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:12:06 +1100, dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
DOLF @ 0819 HOURS ON 3 DECEMBER 2021: "This chapter now includes five >>>>> instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas.I have no idea what you're referring to.
That the spoken word ought as integrity then follow a circular / elliptical
path: by that I mean if it runs long enough then it ought to cohere along >>>>> an equivalent head to tail path.
The DAO is metaphysical and therefore before / alongside / outside time." >>>>
What chapter?
What are the five instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas?
I keep aggregations of our dialog as chapters and I note therein that I
have five ideas which as spontaneity are associated to ideas derived from a >>> time check.
Thank you for your participation.
This newsgroup is a source and at times the Source
of many wonders, especially Tao Chia ones, at times,
usually a round three in the morning unless four later on.
https://terebess.hu/english/chuangtzu.html
<< What is acceptable we call acceptable; what is unacceptable we call unacceptable. A road is made by people walking on it; things are so
because they are called so. What makes them so? Making them so makes
them so. What makes them not so? Making them not so makes them not so.
Things all must have that which is so; things all must have that which
is acceptable. There is nothing that is not so, nothing that is not acceptable.
For this reason, whether you point to a little stalk or a great
pillar, a leper or the beautiful Hsi-shih, things ribald and shady or
things grotesque and strange, the Way makes them all into one. Their dividedness is their completeness; their completeness is their
impairment. No thing is either complete or impaired, but all are made
into one again. Only the man of far reaching vision knows how to make
them into one. So he has no use [for categories], but relegates all to
the constant. The constant is the useful; the useful is the passable;
the passable is the successful; and with success, all is accomplished.
He relies upon this alone, relies upon it and does not know he is
doing so. This is called the Way.
But to wear out your brain trying to make things into one without
realizing that they are all the same - this is called "three in the
morning." What do I mean by "three in the morning"? When the monkey
trainer was handing out acorns, he said, "You get three in the morning
and four at night." This made all the monkeys furious. "Well, then,"
he said, "you get four in the morning and three at night." The monkeys
were all delighted. There was no change in the reality behind the
words, and yet the monkeys responded with joy and anger. Let them, if
they want to. So the sage harmonizes with both right and wrong and
rests in Heaven the Equalizer. This is called walking two roads.>>
Having many paradigms, for me, is akin to having a tool chest
full of treasures buried among the ten thou sand things.
<< The understanding of the men of ancient times went a long way. How
far did it go? To the point where some of them believed that things
have never existed - so far, to the end, where nothing can be added.
Those at the next stage thought that things exist but recognized no boundaries among them. Those at the next stage thought there were
boundaries but recognized no right and wrong. Because right and wrong appeared, the Way was injured, and because the Way was injured, love
became complete. But do such things as completion and injury really
exist, or do they not? >>
- fun stuff, imo, a regular hobby horse a round. Thanks! Cheers!
I've heard of Mobius and Klein
plus there's the uroborus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_strip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
<< The ouroboros entered Western tradition via ancient Egyptian
iconography and the Greek magical tradition. It was adopted as a
symbol in Gnosticism and Hermeticism and most notably in alchemy.>>
With Taoist alchemy, especially Nei Tan, an infant appears again.
To return to a state of that of an infant, a newborn, one may.
A sacred embryo could be visualized, metaphysically, and then,
similar to yoga chakra wheels, vorticies, etc., energy may rise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan
<< ... ... ultimately returning
to the primordial unity of the Tao, i.e., becoming an Immortal. >>
Wei Tan can be an other story.
http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/taoism/peng.html
<< On these island were believed to be plants that had the gift of
restoring life to the dead and renewing youth, mushrooms of
immortality (believed to be a species of Agaric), waters or wells of
life and life prolonging trees. Everyone that ate the mushrooms or the >>>> fruit of P'eng-Lai renewed their youth and acquired the power of
floating from island to island. >>
States of consciousness, mystical experiences, paradigms
and such knots often vary from tail to tale telling time
for time beings in places within spaces naturally.
- thanks! Cheers!
dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
DOLF @ 0804 HOURS ON 29 NOVEMBER 2021: "It seems that you have lost >>>>>> direction and your goose is cooked ...
The DAO TE CHING for today is #47 - Ignorant Guides, Viewing the Distant:
?The farther you go, the less you know.
Thus the sage knows without travelling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.? [Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 47]
And then you went on verbose tangents in an attempt to conceal that fact."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 1208 HOURS ON 30 NOVEMBER 2021: "How is it >>>>>> possible to act against the Dao?
I don't know what you are referring to."
DOLF @ 1224 HOURS ON 1 DECEMBER 2021: "The spoken Dao is not the Dao, so I
don?t know why you use so many words?
<https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>
#373 as [#30, #70, #3, #70, #200] = lógos (G3056): {UMBRA: #373 % #41 =
#4} 1) of speech; 1a) a *WORD*, uttered by a living voice, embodies a >>>>>> conception or idea; 1b) what someone has said; 1b1) a word; 1b2) the >>>>>> sayings of God; 1b3) decree, mandate or order; 1b4) of the moral precepts
given by God; 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets; 1b6) what
is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum,
a maxim; 1c) discourse; 1c1) the act of speaking, speech; 1c2) the faculty
of speech, skill and practice in speaking; 1c3) a kind or style of >>>>>> speaking; 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction; 1d) doctrine,
teaching; 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative; 1f) >>>>>> matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, >>>>>> case, suit at law; 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed; 2)
*ITS* *USE* *AS* *RESPECT* *TO* *THE* *MIND* *ALONE*; 2a) reason, the >>>>>> mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating; 2b) >>>>>> account, i.e. regard, consideration; 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score; >>>>>> 2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment; 2e) >>>>>> relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation; 2e1) reason would;
2f) reason, cause, ground; 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God,
Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister
in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's >>>>>> life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's >>>>>> salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the >>>>>> second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words
and deeds.;
Try number instead?
The suggestion given of the name DAO TE CHING conveys the changes necessary
to obtain the virtue (TE) of DAO."
ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0014 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I have no idea >>>>>> what you're referring to.
Mixing and matching Romanizations occurs.
To obtain the De of Dao, or Teh of Tao, may suggest some body or individual
has lost Tao.
A virtue of being in the Zone is to experience wonder.
One may wonder, how does one arrive in, stay in, know
and be in the Zone and if such a state is possible forever.
How long is eternity.
How long does the present last.
Now is the time at all times now is.
A great gift, the present, unfolds.
To be an eternal, an immortal, with Tao Chia, is possible.
To not identify with mortality seeing as how duality suggests,
when mortality exists, not-mortality also exists. TTC 2 articulates. >>>>>>
Beyond being either/or
Prior to nonbeing both/and
Not-two, not-one, not any thing
Neither a non-thing nor nothing
The above batch of #373 appear to be like a dictionary of a sort.
Forgetting about words might be a technique.
Thinking without words is possible and perhaps common when being
spontaneous, prior to words emerging, naturally."
DOLF @ 1244 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I ought to confess that I had >>>>>> written my ?so many words? statement before then doing a time check and in
being satisfied then made sure it was posted without further delay @ 1224
hours."
#316 as [#8, #6, #300, #2] / ? #316 as [#8, #300, #2, #6] /
? #365 as [#5, #8, #300, #2, #10, #600] / ?#310 as [#8, #300, #2] =
châshab (H2803): {UMBRA: #310 % #41 = #23} 1) to think, plan, esteem, >>>>>> calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to >>>>>> think, account; 1a2) to plan, devise, mean; 1a3) to charge, impute, reckon;
1a4) to esteem, value, regard; 1a5) to invent; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be >>>>>> accounted, be thought, be esteemed; 1b2) to be computed, be reckoned; 1b3)
to be imputed; 1c) (Piel); 1c1) to think upon, consider, be mindful of; >>>>>> 1c2) *TO* *THINK* *TO* *DO*, *DEVISE*, *PLAN*; 1c3) to count, reckon; 1d)
(Hithpael) to be considered;
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