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    From Jim gm4dhj ...@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 14:44:44 2024
    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound bar ?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 14:52:07 2024
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ...
    wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because the >speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate amp
    to Aviano 1 speakers.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    All things being equal, fat people use more soap

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 14:54:41 2024
    On 17/01/2024 14:44, Jim gm4dhj ... wrote:
    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    It depends on what depth you want your TV to be. My TV is 20mm front
    screen to the back and around 5x lighter than the previous (smaller)
    flat screen TV that it replaced.

    Thinner TVs mean more boxes in the shipping container.

    --
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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jan 17 15:01:12 2024
    On 17/01/2024 14:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ...
    wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate
    amp to Aviano 1 speakers.


    I too have an (surround sound) AV amp with a separate speakers.

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 15:44:37 2024
    On 17/01/2024 14:44, Jim gm4dhj ... wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    The available space in a modern flat screen is just too small to produce
    a decent speaker enclosure... So you can't get a decent sized driver in
    there. It is fair to say that there is a wide range of audio quality -
    but it is a range that starts at abysmal and only goes up to "fairly
    poor" IMHO.

    Sound bars can work better given much more air volume to play with - but
    even those are fairly compromised. They will at least match what would
    you would have got out of a large high end CRT of its day.

    If you want decent sound on then cheap, get a midrange set of bluetooth headphones, and link them to the TV.

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Tim Lamb@21:1/5 to jgnewsid@outlook.com on Wed Jan 17 15:56:39 2024
    In message <xn0ogxqwz1tgxno005@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ...
    wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate
    amp to Aviano 1 speakers.

    I use a set of Bose blue tooth headphones. A gift, I couldn't afford to
    buy them!

    Means I can enjoy TV when the rest of my family are in bed.


    --
    Tim Lamb

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  • From Chris Hogg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 20:11:53 2024
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:12 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 17/01/2024 14:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ...
    wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate
    amp to Aviano 1 speakers.


    I too have an (surround sound) AV amp with a separate speakers.


    I have Humax PVR sound output feeding a hi-fi amplifier and stereo
    speakers sitting below the TV.

    --

    Chris

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 15:59:35 2024
    On 1/17/2024 9:44 AM, Jim gm4dhj ... wrote:
    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it
    because the speakers are to the rear or do they just
    want you to buy a a sound bar ?

    https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08WYXFVR2?linkCode=gs2&tag=foresite-20&th=1

    "This was my move from the built-in tv speakers to something external. HOLY COW. What a difference."

    Apparently there is a difference.

    At 450 watts, you really can hear telly.

    HOLY COW.

    Just make sure telly has the correct jacks on the back.

    *******

    Another way to do surround sound, is headphones with a multitude of speakers inside.
    Some will be equipped with an HRTF transform, to create a more lifelike soundscape.

    https://www.soundguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Tritton.jpg

    ( https://www.soundguys.com/surround-sound-headphones-guide-49389/ )

    For computers, years ago, Zalman made some 5.1 headphones, but they
    were a bit of a bust, because computer audio jacks didn't drive it
    properly. If a user wanted those to work, there was a separate amplifier
    box to drive them. The ones you can get now, should be a lot better.

    That allows you to enjoy telly the way it was meant to be heard,
    without bothering others.

    But if everyone in the house likes to rock, 450 watts ought to do it.

    Paul

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Thu Jan 18 13:17:54 2024
    On 17/01/2024 20:11, Chris Hogg wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:12 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 17/01/2024 14:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ...
    wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because >>>> the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound >>>> bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate
    amp to Aviano 1 speakers.


    I too have an (surround sound) AV amp with a separate speakers.


    I have Humax PVR sound output feeding a hi-fi amplifier and stereo
    speakers sitting below the TV.


    ditto,

    but since buying a 2nd hand 2017 Sony Bravia 43 inch which has
    acceptable sound, I only use the sound output from the HD-FOX-T2
    via an amptastic amp on those occasions when I want better
    sound

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Jan 18 15:01:17 2024
    On 18/01/2024 13:17, Andrew wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 20:11, Chris Hogg wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:01:12 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 14:52, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 in message <uo8p4s$21nif$2@dont-email.me> Jim gm4dhj ... >>>> wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because >>>>> the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound >>>>> bar ?

    I only use my TV to display a picture, sound is provided by a separate >>>> amp to Aviano 1 speakers.


    I too have an (surround sound) AV amp with a separate speakers.


    I have Humax PVR sound output feeding a hi-fi amplifier and stereo
    speakers sitting below the TV.

    but since buying a 2nd hand 2017 Sony Bravia 43 inch which has
    acceptable sound, I only use the sound output from the HD-FOX-T2
    via an amptastic amp on those occasions when I want better
    sound

    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV. That way the
    sound of anything shown on the TV goes to the speakers, whether live TV
    (rare), or stuff from one of my two PVRs.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Jan 18 15:03:43 2024
    On 18/01/2024 12:39, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Unless you get a very large model, TV sound has always been naff. There are just too many things to rattle and not enough rigidity to make it sound bassy.

    They used to have to put the speaker right at the back of the cabinet so
    the the magnetism of it didn't deflect the electron beam.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Thu Jan 18 15:22:27 2024
    Max Demian wrote:

    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV. That way the
    sound of anything shown on the TV goes to the speakers, whether live TV >(rare), or stuff from one of my two PVRs.

    When my last TV failed, I rigged up an old monitor, which we sat
    on a coffee table, and was a pretty good stop-gap whist I found a
    new one.

    One big advantage was that it had, as standard, audio out, which
    fed straight to my hi-fi.

    Penny-pinching, I presume, means that TVs do not generally have
    this feature any more.

    Chris
    --
    Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Thu Jan 18 16:07:33 2024
    On 18/01/2024 15:01, Max Demian wrote:
    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV.
    +1.
    And there are two more BIG speakers either side of the fireplace that
    can be used for e.g. Radio signal off the TV.


    --
    “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

    —Soren Kierkegaard

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Thu Jan 18 16:08:22 2024
    On 18/01/2024 15:22, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV. That way the
    sound of anything shown on the TV goes to the speakers, whether live TV
    (rare), or stuff from one of my two PVRs.

    When my last TV failed, I rigged up an old monitor, which we sat
    on a coffee table, and was a pretty good stop-gap whist I found a
    new one.

    One big advantage was that it had, as standard, audio out, which
    fed straight to my hi-fi.

    Penny-pinching, I presume, means that TVs do not generally have
    this feature any more.

    They have a headphone output, which serves...


    Chris

    --
    "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
    news paper, you are mis-informed."

    Mark Twain

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jan 18 17:44:03 2024
    On 18/01/2024 16:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/01/2024 15:22, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV. That way the
    sound of anything shown on the TV goes to the speakers, whether live TV
    (rare), or stuff from one of my two PVRs.

    When my last TV failed, I rigged up an old monitor, which we sat
    on a coffee table, and was a pretty good stop-gap whist I found a
    new one.

    One big advantage was that it had, as standard, audio out, which
    fed straight to my hi-fi.

    Penny-pinching, I presume, means that TVs do not generally have
    this feature any more.

    They have a headphone output, which serves...

    Not always. (I don't get why they're so keen on Bluetooth for sound
    bars. The sodding things are put right below the TV; just use a *wire*; Bluetooth has latency which has to be compensated to give lip-sync.)

    My Sony TV (bought in 2012) has a 3.5mm jack socket which can be
    configures as a headphone or a line output; if the former, you can
    decide whether it cuts the TV speakers out; if the latter, you can
    decide whether the TV volume control changes the level.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jan 18 18:43:37 2024
    On 18/01/2024 16:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/01/2024 15:01, Max Demian wrote:
    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV.
    +1.
    And there are two more BIG speakers either side of the fireplace that
    can be used for e.g. Radio signal off the TV.




    I was in a shop today...

    Saw a card in teh shop window.

    Panasonic 4K 46 inch TV for sale.

    TV volume stuck on full

    £10



    I thought to myself, I can't turn that down.....

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  • From Robert@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Thu Jan 18 21:22:00 2024
    On 17/01/2024 15:44, John Rumm wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 14:44, Jim gm4dhj ... wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it because
    the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy a a sound
    bar ?

    The available space in a modern flat screen is just too small to produce
    a decent speaker enclosure... So you can't get a decent sized driver in there. It is fair to say that there is a wide range of audio quality -
    but it is a range that starts at abysmal and only goes up to "fairly
    poor" IMHO.

    Sound bars can work better given much more air volume to play with - but
    even those are fairly compromised. They will at least match what would
    you would have got out of a large high end CRT of its day.

    If you want decent sound on then cheap, get a midrange set of bluetooth headphones, and link them to the TV.

    +1 Just down to to the size of the TV these days.
    I check out quite a lot of older TVs in my local Charity Shop, the older heavier and bulkier models definitely produce better sound.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Jan 19 03:39:53 2024
    On 18/01/2024 12:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Unless you get a very large model, TV sound has always been naff. There are just too many things to rattle and not enough rigidity to make it sound bassy.

    I had one decent TV for sound, and that was a Sony KVS2942U - a big
    lumbering 29" CRT that weighed 50+ kg. It had a decent 7 speaker system
    built in, NICAM tuner and a respectable amp. It was good enough that I
    would only bother turning on the surround sound for watching movies.
    Most "normal" watching was ok with the default sound.

    I run mine through a hi fi using an optical to analogue cheapo Chinese box.

    Yup, do that on one of mine.

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Fri Jan 19 03:34:29 2024
    On 18/01/2024 15:22, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV. That way the
    sound of anything shown on the TV goes to the speakers, whether live TV
    (rare), or stuff from one of my two PVRs.

    When my last TV failed, I rigged up an old monitor, which we sat
    on a coffee table, and was a pretty good stop-gap whist I found a
    new one.

    One big advantage was that it had, as standard, audio out, which
    fed straight to my hi-fi.

    Penny-pinching, I presume, means that TVs do not generally have
    this feature any more.

    I have one "lash up" setup that uses a spare HDMI monitor with a
    chromecast plugged into it, and a HDMI to audio tap off box that feeds a
    stereo amp and a set of Warfdale Diamond 220 speakers. That works
    surprisingly well. Only setup for stereo, but still a decent sound stage.

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 19 03:35:24 2024
    On 18/01/2024 18:43, SH wrote:
    On 18/01/2024 16:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 18/01/2024 15:01, Max Demian wrote:
    I've got an audio out connection from my 32" Sony TV to an audio
    amplifier feeding two big speakers either side of the TV.
    +1.
    And there are two more BIG speakers either side of the fireplace that
    can be used for e.g. Radio signal off the TV.




    I was in a shop today...

    Saw a card in teh shop window.

    Panasonic 4K 46 inch TV for sale.

    TV volume stuck on full

    £10



    I thought to myself, I can't turn that down.....

    :-)


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

    /=================================================================\
    | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
    | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \=================================================================/

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  • From John Armstrong@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Jan 19 09:17:36 2024
    On 18/01/2024 12:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Unless you get a very large model, TV sound has always been naff. There are just too many things to rattle and not enough rigidity to make it sound bassy.
    I run mine through a hi fi using an optical to analogue cheapo Chinese box.
    Brian

    Way to go! I've listened to TV sound through Hi fi since the 80s. Many different set-ups in that time, of course.

    I'm now using TV optical out to amplifier optical in, and I strongly
    suspect that will see me out!

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to John Armstrong on Fri Jan 19 10:00:37 2024
    John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 18/01/2024 12:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Unless you get a very large model, TV sound has always been naff. There are just too many things to rattle and not enough rigidity to make it sound bassy.
    I run mine through a hi fi using an optical to analogue cheapo Chinese box.
    Brian

    Way to go! I've listened to TV sound through Hi fi since the 80s. Many different set-ups in that time, of course.

    I'm now using TV optical out to amplifier optical in, and I strongly
    suspect that will see me out!

    Yes, this last is what I do, optical to optical. Very simple, no hum
    loops, etc.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Robert on Fri Jan 19 14:17:15 2024
    On 18/01/2024 21:22, Robert wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 15:44, John Rumm wrote:
    On 17/01/2024 14:44, Jim gm4dhj ... wrote:

    how come they can't produce a a telly with good sound?...is it
    because the speakers are to the rear or do they just want you to buy
    a a sound bar ?

    The available space in a modern flat screen is just too small to
    produce a decent speaker enclosure... So you can't get a decent sized
    driver in there. It is fair to say that there is a wide range of audio
    quality - but it is a range that starts at abysmal and only goes up to
    "fairly poor" IMHO.

    Sound bars can work better given much more air volume to play with -
    but even those are fairly compromised. They will at least match what
    would you would have got out of a large high end CRT of its day.

    If you want decent sound on then cheap, get a midrange set of
    bluetooth headphones, and link them to the TV.

    +1 Just down to to the size of the TV these days.
    I check out quite a lot of older TVs in my local Charity Shop, the older heavier and bulkier models definitely produce better sound.

    But they also use a lot more power compared to TV's made in the
    last few years. If you spend a lot of time watching telly then it
    soon adds up.

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