HMG is trying to force people to build in already traffic jammed towns & cities. The result is higher costs & ever more productive time lost in ever worsening traffic. Building new towns & > expand existing villages would avoid this
On 10/01/2024 20:18, Animal wrote:
HMG is trying to force people to build in already traffic jammed towns & cities. The result is higher costs & ever more productive time lost in ever worsening traffic. Building new towns & > expand existing villages would avoid this
You are erroneously assuming that infrastructure to support new builds
in villages and small towns exists. It's not just a matter of assigning
a few fields for a housing estate and expecting things like the local
sewers and roads to cope with the extra demand. For villages and small
towns without meaningful public transport building a few hundred houses
will not magically create a bus route, nor necessarily reopen the local
pub or village shop. Furthermore, there also has to be enough
(worthwhile) jobs locally to prevent "higher costs & ever more
productive time lost in ever worsening traffic" and long commutes.
On 12/01/2024 08:36, alan_m wrote:
On 10/01/2024 20:18, Animal wrote:
HMG is trying to force people to build in already traffic jammed
towns & cities. The result is higher costs & ever more productive
time lost in ever worsening traffic. Building new towns & > expand
existing villages would avoid this
You are erroneously assuming that infrastructure to support new builds
in villages and small towns exists. It's not just a matter of assigning
a few fields for a housing estate and expecting things like the local
sewers and roads to cope with the extra demand. For villages and small
towns without meaningful public transport building a few hundred houses
will not magically create a bus route, nor necessarily reopen the local
pub or village shop. Furthermore, there also has to be enough
(worthwhile) jobs locally to prevent "higher costs & ever more
productive time lost in ever worsening traffic" and long commutes.
Some do consider infrastructure first: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67349241>
At a cost...:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67807794>
On 12/01/2024 09:10, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 12/01/2024 08:36, alan_m wrote:
On 10/01/2024 20:18, Animal wrote:
HMG is trying to force people to build in already traffic jammed
towns & cities. The result is higher costs & ever more productive
time lost in ever worsening traffic. Building new towns & > expand
existing villages would avoid this
You are erroneously assuming that infrastructure to support new builds
in villages and small towns exists. It's not just a matter of assigning
a few fields for a housing estate and expecting things like the local
sewers and roads to cope with the extra demand. For villages and small
towns without meaningful public transport building a few hundred houses
will not magically create a bus route, nor necessarily reopen the local
pub or village shop. Furthermore, there also has to be enough
(worthwhile) jobs locally to prevent "higher costs & ever more
productive time lost in ever worsening traffic" and long commutes.
Some do consider infrastructure first:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67349241>
Where does that article say anything about the existing infrastructure?
2500 to 3000 houses isn't a small extension to the housing for a village
or small town.
That development just seem to be joining up the green land on the
outskirts of Southampton in much the same way as urban sprawl is
occurring around many large towns/cities.
At a cost...:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-67807794>
£160k(ish) per house (assuming NOTHING goes wrong)*.
The cost to the council, with a yearly "income" of £65 million, is
approx x10 this amount and up front to finance the project.
I assume the local jobs created are only temporary while the building
work takes place and the people who will eventually occupy those houses
will mainly commute on the already gridlocked roads to the nearby city.
*Around my way there is a large uncompleted estate where none of the
semi completed buildings have watertight roofs because the
developer/supplier has recently gone bust. Work has been abandoned. It
also looks if other similar projects have stalled in the past 6/9 months.
I'm not. That inrastructure needs to be built where not present obviously. That's part of the building process.
No. Start with the few hundred villages & build 10k, then a shop, pub & bus route become likely.
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