• Re: Vomiting after ingestion, and how to do so?

    From Vladimir Putin@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Sat Jan 6 04:48:45 2024
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    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:49:37 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message news:op.0ptmdph4wdg98l@glass...
    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:16:47 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    news:BoydnXGKadFwBdzCnZ2dnUU78LHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    The romans were allegedly into gorging on good food, then deliberately >>>>>> puking so they could gorge on more good food.

    Indeed, a well designed house included a vomitorium.

    That (and the idea that Romans induced vomiting to make room for more
    food) is based on a misconception:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomitorium#Misinterpretation_of_the_term

    Ah!

    So both my Latin teachers were wrong when they told us about a vomitorium >>> and Romans puking to make room for more food. Shows how
    misinterpretations
    spread like wildfire and become "accepted wisdom" so even teachers
    believe
    them and pass them on to their pupils.

    Even? You use the word even when you're talking about someone you would
    not expect to behave that way. Teachers are not the sharpest knives in
    the drawer and in fact the most likely to spout crap.

    Until you learn that teachers are just human beings like you and me, you
    tend to think of them as minor deities (!) and treat everything they say as 100% correct.

    I first realised that I shouldn't *always* believe everything they said when a new French teacher taught us the year after I started learning French.

    For goodness sake, I learned teachers were thick in primary 1 (that's 5 years old for those with a different school system). My teacher stared going on about god, which I knew didn't exist. I used to piss her off by drawing Jesus as non-human.

    The first French teacher had told us that the French for "curtains" was "drapeaux", whereas the correct word is "rideaux". "Drapeaux" means flags. The new teacher has one of those "Hmmm. I shall have to have words with Mr <previous teacher>" moments...

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  • From Vladimir Putin@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Jan 6 04:47:06 2024
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    I read the label.

    What newsgroup would serve me better?

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:04:08 +0100, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    What bought this on I wonder? Assuming its a serious question, I think your choice of newsgroup has a problem.
    Brian

    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting? It does irritate me thatbleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no explanation - Ineed an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore that and pukeanyway. I do not want that stuff inside
    me. Better out than in.

    Also, why do people find it hard to puke? I find it as easy as going tothe toilet or coughing. I just lean over the sink and puke. No fingers inmy throat or anything. It seems odd that people are not in control oftheir own body.

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  • From Vladimir Putin@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Sat Jan 6 04:49:46 2024
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    On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:41:54 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    "Peter" <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message news:rhrk04$1cii$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    If you believe you have accidentally ingested a poison, or are near
    someone who has, and there is no poisoning label on the container of the >>> substance involved, and you are in the U.S., immediately call the
    national poison control hot line at: 1-800-222-1222.

    I just noticed that you may be in the U.K. On the web, it appears that
    you should call NHS 111.

    If it was suspected poison which may need treatment (stomach washout or antidote) ASAP, I'd probably call 999 or its Europe-wide synonym 112 - the emergency number which should be answered very quickly, rather than the NHS number which may take a long time to be answered at busy times.

    In America, 911 puts you on hold.

    I've never head of anyone being able to vomit on demand, unless it is triggered by stimulation of the gag reflex (finger in throat),

    Just imagine you've done that. You can control your own body right?

    poisoning,
    illness (including eating something that has "gone off" or triggered by extreme disgust or shock (eg being confronted by a dead body). In the
    absence of those, being able to say to yourself "I think I'll puke" and having it happen sounds rather bizarre - although it could be yet another case of one of Commander Kinsey's tall tales.

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  • From Vladimir Putin@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sat Jan 6 04:50:47 2024
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    On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 19:48:41 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On 22/08/2020 16:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting? It does irritate me that
    bleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no explanation -
    I need an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore that and puke
    anyway. I do not want that stuff inside me. Better out than in.

    Yep, just vomit up the bleach.

    Thanks for your reasoned argument.

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  • From Retirednoguilt@21:1/5 to Vladimir Putin on Sat Jan 6 10:10:25 2024
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    On 1/5/2024 11:47 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
    I read the label.

    What newsgroup would serve me better?

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:04:08 +0100, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    What bought this on I wonder? Assuming its a serious question, I think your >> choice of newsgroup has a problem.
    Brian

    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting? It does irritate me thatbleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no explanation - Ineed an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore that and pukeanyway. I do not want that stuff inside
    me. Better out than in.



    The primary risk of inducing vomiting after ingesting a poison or even
    just an overdose of most oral medications is for aspiration pneumonia.
    The complications of that are often substantially greater than the physiological effects of the overdose. If you don't know the best
    treatment (both first aid and definitive treatment) call the national
    poison control number (1-800-222-1222) which is staffed with experts 24/7.

    Of course, if you have good reason to suspect an opioid overdose,
    whether oral or by injection, narcan (naloxone) or a generic equivalent
    should be administered ASAP. You won't make things worse and you might
    just save a life. Call or have someone nearby call 911 to request an ambulance, monitor rate of breathing and pulse (either at the neck or at
    the wrist) and start CPR if there is no pulse. Turn the patient on
    their side to minimize aspiration pneumonia in the event of vomiting and
    try to ensure an open airway by keeping the chin forward and the head
    back.

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  • From Vladimir Putin@21:1/5 to Retirednoguilt on Sun Jan 7 03:55:47 2024
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    On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 15:10:25 -0000, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

    On 1/5/2024 11:47 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
    I read the label.

    What newsgroup would serve me better?

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:04:08 +0100, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    What bought this on I wonder? Assuming its a serious question, I think your >>> choice of newsgroup has a problem.
    Brian

    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting? It does irritate me thatbleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no explanation - Ineed an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore that and pukeanyway. I do not want that stuff inside
    me. Better out than in.



    The primary risk of inducing vomiting after ingesting a poison or even
    just an overdose of most oral medications is for aspiration pneumonia.
    The complications of that are often substantially greater than the physiological effects of the overdose. If you don't know the best
    treatment (both first aid and definitive treatment) call the national
    poison control number (1-800-222-1222) which is staffed with experts 24/7.

    Of course, if you have good reason to suspect an opioid overdose,
    whether oral or by injection, narcan (naloxone) or a generic equivalent should be administered ASAP. You won't make things worse and you might
    just save a life. Call or have someone nearby call 911 to request an ambulance, monitor rate of breathing and pulse (either at the neck or at
    the wrist) and start CPR if there is no pulse. Turn the patient on
    their side to minimize aspiration pneumonia in the event of vomiting and
    try to ensure an open airway by keeping the chin forward and the head
    back.

    Pah, too complicated. Puke it up then rinse with some water if it's stinging your throat. Actually digesting the poison has to be the worst thing.

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to Vladimir Putin on Sun Jan 7 14:24:54 2024
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    On 07/01/2024 03:55, Vladimir Putin wrote:
    On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 15:10:25 -0000, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

    On 1/5/2024 11:47 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
    I read the label.

    What newsgroup would serve me better?

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:04:08 +0100, Brian Gaff (Sofa)
    <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    What bought this on I wonder? Assuming its a serious question, I
    think your
    choice of newsgroup has a problem.
     Brian

    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting?  It does irritate me
    thatbleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no
    explanation - Ineed an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore
    that and pukeanyway. I do not want that stuff inside me. Better out
    than in.



    The primary risk of inducing vomiting after ingesting a poison or even
    just an overdose of most oral medications is for aspiration pneumonia.
    The complications of that are often substantially greater than the
    physiological effects of the overdose.  If you don't know the best
    treatment (both first aid and definitive treatment) call the national
    poison control number (1-800-222-1222) which is staffed with experts
    24/7.

    Of course, if you have good reason to suspect an opioid overdose,
    whether oral or by injection, narcan (naloxone) or a generic equivalent
    should be administered ASAP.  You won't make things worse and you might
    just save a life.  Call or have someone nearby call 911 to request an
    ambulance, monitor rate of breathing and pulse (either at the neck or at
    the wrist) and start CPR if there is no pulse.  Turn the patient on
    their side to minimize aspiration pneumonia in the event of vomiting and
    try to ensure an open airway by keeping the chin forward and the head
    back.

    Pah, too complicated.

    You mean making a phone call is too complicated for you?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Retirednoguilt on Mon Jan 8 07:02:13 2024
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    On 1/6/2024 10:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 1/5/2024 11:47 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
    I read the label.

    What newsgroup would serve me better?

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:04:08 +0100, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    What bought this on I wonder? Assuming its a serious question, I think your >>> choice of newsgroup has a problem.
    Brian

    To induce vomiting or not to induce vomiting? It does irritate me thatbleach for example says "do not induce vomiting" (with no explanation - Ineed an explanation or I won't obey). Well I'd ignore that and pukeanyway. I do not want that stuff inside
    me. Better out than in.



    The primary risk of inducing vomiting after ingesting a poison or even
    just an overdose of most oral medications is for aspiration pneumonia.
    The complications of that are often substantially greater than the physiological effects of the overdose. If you don't know the best
    treatment (both first aid and definitive treatment) call the national
    poison control number (1-800-222-1222) which is staffed with experts 24/7.

    Of course, if you have good reason to suspect an opioid overdose,
    whether oral or by injection, narcan (naloxone) or a generic equivalent should be administered ASAP. You won't make things worse and you might
    just save a life. Call or have someone nearby call 911 to request an ambulance, monitor rate of breathing and pulse (either at the neck or at
    the wrist) and start CPR if there is no pulse. Turn the patient on
    their side to minimize aspiration pneumonia in the event of vomiting and
    try to ensure an open airway by keeping the chin forward and the head
    back.


    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-dont-our-digestive-ac/

    The stomach is protected by mucosa. If a bleach were to enter the
    area, the stomach is a good place for it to reside, until suctioned.
    But this is only "relatively speaking", making the best of a bad situation. Once any linings inside you are compromised, it's downhill all the way.

    https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/poison/sodium-hypochlorite-poisoning

    "Without prompt treatment, extensive damage to the mouth, throat, eyes, lungs,
    esophagus, nose, and stomach are possible, and may continue to occur for
    several weeks after the poison was swallowed. Holes (perforations) in the
    esophagus and stomach may cause serious infections in both the chest and
    abdominal cavities, which may result in death."

    That suggests, after the prompt damage, the "exposure" of tissues that are normally protected by an outer coating, continues just from normally
    ingested material.

    The article mentions the possibility poison control will recommend drinking milk. Which may have something to do with neutralizing digestive enzymes
    than with taming the bleach. If bleach breaks through the mucosa, the
    normal stomach digestive mechanism, may start to digest the lining.

    And there is an entire book about vomiting. I glanced through the book
    while staying at a doctors chalet at a ski hill. The doctors pooled their
    money and bought a chalet near a ski hill, and they take turns using it
    during ski season. I was stuck at the chalet the first day, with no
    ski equipment (we stayed at a motel, the chalet was just "base camp").
    It was one of my weirder ski trips.

    Since there is an entire book about the vomiting response, you can
    be assured it's a complicated process. It's not just "jack-in-a-box".
    The body does not like to waste food nutrient unnecessarily, which
    is why the firing mechanism has constituent parts. The body knows
    for example, that vomiting needs fluids to work, and it provides them.
    it has to prime the cannon, before it can fire the cannon. And the muscular contractions have to be coordinated for it to work. It requires timing.
    Think of the automation.

    Paul

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