...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Then going to repair the hot water system as it isn't working?
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:No, definitely not.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
joining "reform"
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
Lots of people don't realise that there is a standard/convention.
Is there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps? I've come
across some houses where the kitchen sink was one way round and the bath
and wash basin taps were the other way round.
On 22/12/2023 12:32, Chris Green wrote:
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
across some houses where the kitchen sink was one way round and the bath
and wash basin taps were the other way round.
The real problem is mixer taps with a single control that rocks forwards/backwards for controlling the rate of flow and rotates clockwise/anticlockwise for temperature. There seems to be no standard
at all for those - and few taps even have any markings for which way you rotate the control to go from cold to hot. It would have been so easy
for those taps to be engraved with a clockwise/anticlockwise
double-headed arrow with H and C beside the relevant arrow heads.
With the mixer tap in the kitchen, I just turn it one way and if the
water doesn't run warm I turn it the other way. I can never remember
which direction is hot, and the pipe runs are so long in our house that
it takes ages for the hot water to reach the sink. OK, it's a combi
boiler so it takes a little while for the water to run hot even as it
comes out of the boiler, but even with pre-heat enabled (so the boiler maintains a small reservoir of hot water to cover the period until the
boiler is heating on demand) the delay between water being hot as it
leaves the boiler and running hot at the kitchen tap is a good minute or
so, even at fairly fast flow rates.
My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it takes for
the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
I've never yet come across a hot tap that runs hot immediately it is
turned on, unless it was used only a minute or so before.
Maybe if the
pipes are end-to-end plastic (right from the boiler or cylinder to the
tap) there is less heat loss than with copper pipe. Our present house
has copper pipes as the "backbone" with plastic spurs off it to the taps.
Amusingly, although it originally had hot water fed from a tank in the
loft (so at very low pressure compared with mains pressure), someone had chosen to use 15 mm pipe rather than the 22 mm which is normally used
for tank-fed hot water to compensate for the lower pressure.
Consequently the flow rate on the hot water was puny compared with the
cold. When we had to have a new boiler, we went for mains-fed combi, so
the 15 mm hot water pipes are fine - it's easy to balance hot and cold
flow rates in mixer taps or by turning separate taps the same number of turns.
On 22/12/2023 22:56, NY wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it takes for
the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
I've never yet come across a hot tap that runs hot immediately it is
turned on, unless it was used only a minute or so before.
Hot water recirculation systems (snip) produce hot water almost instantaneously.
On 22/12/2023 12:32, Chris Green wrote:
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
On 23/12/2023 00:00, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:56, NY wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it takes for
the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
I've never yet come across a hot tap that runs hot immediately it is
turned on, unless it was used only a minute or so before.
Hot water recirculation systems (snip) produce hot water almost
instantaneously.
Effectively that's a radiator that you leave on all Summer :)
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
In message <q8cg5k-onnc1.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> writes
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:
On 22/12/2023 11:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Lots of people don't realise that there *is* a standard/convention.
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
Admission being another feature?
I have come across taps that are the opposite way from convention.
Mine in the futility room are the opposite way round but are helpfully labelled "main" and "hot". Maybe the standard was invented after 1907.
Brian
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should
be on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind or
partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first,
reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from
universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it
takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter
has been discussed here before.)
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should be
on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind or
partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first,
reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it
takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
On 23/12/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should
be on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind
or partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first,
reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from
universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it
takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter
has been discussed here before.)
A fuller explanation is here:
https://www.plumbworld.co.uk/blog/hot-bathroom-tap-on-the-left-or-right
I prefer the explanation from when homes only had cold water it was
logical to have the tap on the right, from the majority of us being
right handed. The rest is history where the only place left for a hot
tap is on the left.
On 23/12/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should
be on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind
or partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first,
reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from
universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it
takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter
has been discussed here before.)
A fuller explanation is here:
https://www.plumbworld.co.uk/blog/hot-bathroom-tap-on-the-left-or-right
I prefer the explanation from when homes only had cold water it was
logical to have the tap on the right, from the majority of us being
right handed. The rest is history where the only place left for a hot
tap is on the left.
On Friday 22 December 2023 at 11:33:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
It is also, turning on the Top Oven then putting pizza in the Big Oven
and wondering why it's not cooked.
On 23/12/2023 14:57, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/12/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should
be on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind
or partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first,
reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from
universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it
takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk.
Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter
has been discussed here before.)
A fuller explanation is here:
https://www.plumbworld.co.uk/blog/hot-bathroom-tap-on-the-left-or-right
That is one of those that I found saying much the same things. However,
these days, if there is any genuine risk of scalding the answer would be
to fit a temperature regulating valve to the hot water side.
Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 23/12/2023 14:57, Fredxx wrote:But I *want* my hot water to be too hot to put my hands in! It always
On 23/12/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/12/2023 22:29, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 22/12/2023 21:07, NY wrote:Do you have any documentary evidence for that explanation? (The matter >>>> has been discussed here before.)
*Is* there a standard for the placement of hot and cold taps?
In the USA there is and it is recommended in the UK. The cold should >>>>> be on the right, as most people are right handed. That way, a blind
or partially sighted person is more likely to turn on the cold first, >>>>> reducing the risk of scalding. It is quite theoretical and far from
universal. My house has the hot on the right, but, given the time it >>>>> takes for the hot water to come through, scalding is not really a risk. >>> >
A fuller explanation is here:
https://www.plumbworld.co.uk/blog/hot-bathroom-tap-on-the-left-or-right
That is one of those that I found saying much the same things. However,
these days, if there is any genuine risk of scalding the answer would be
to fit a temperature regulating valve to the hot water side.
was thus in my youth and that's the wayit should be.
On Friday 22 December 2023 at 11:33:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
It is also, turning on the Top Oven then putting pizza in the Big Oven and wondering why it's not cooked.
Owain
On 23/12/2023 19:37, Owain Lastname wrote:
On Friday 22 December 2023 at 11:33:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
It is also, turning on the Top Oven then putting pizza in the Big Oven
and wondering why it's not cooked.
Owain
I thought that unless your top oven gets up to about 400C,
your pizza isn't going to cook properly anyway ?.
With only one tap, I would have thought you would put it in the middle
for symmetry.
On 24/12/2023 15:27, Andrew wrote:
On 23/12/2023 19:37, Owain Lastname wrote:
On Friday 22 December 2023 at 11:33:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
...turning on the cold tap and waiting for hot water to come out ;-)
It is also, turning on the Top Oven then putting pizza in the Big
Oven and wondering why it's not cooked.
Owain
I thought that unless your top oven gets up to about 400C,
your pizza isn't going to cook properly anyway ?.
The frozen ones I buy cook at 180C.
On 23/12/2023 17:40, Max Demian wrote:
With only one tap, I would have thought you would put it in the middle
for symmetry.
I've found that with smaller bathroom type sinks placing the single
(mixer) tap in the middle restricts access when trying to rinse hair
etc. You cannot get your head low enough, without hitting thee tap, to
douse the head with water without it ending on the floor. Possibly even
a bigger problem if people fit some of the designer type taps with
longer or wider spouts such as waterfall taps :) Having a single tap to
one side would give better access to the basin.
It's little things like this I hadn't considered when buying bathroom fittings.
I biggest mistake I once made was buying a "modern" square shaped
toilet, but later rectified with a replacement traditional shaped toilet.
On 24/12/2023 17:35, alan_m wrote:
On 23/12/2023 17:40, Max Demian wrote:
With only one tap, I would have thought you would put it in the middle
for symmetry.
I've found that with smaller bathroom type sinks placing the single
(mixer) tap in the middle restricts access when trying to rinse hair
etc. You cannot get your head low enough, without hitting thee tap, to
douse the head with water without it ending on the floor. Possibly even
a bigger problem if people fit some of the designer type taps with
longer or wider spouts such as waterfall taps :) Having a single tap to
one side would give better access to the basin.
I would have thought you would always rinse (or wet) your hair with a
nozzle on the end of a hose. Such as a shower hose. I expect domestic >versions exist of the kind of basin+hose found in hairdressers.
It's little things like this I hadn't considered when buying bathroom
fittings.
I biggest mistake I once made was buying a "modern" square shaped
toilet, but later rectified with a replacement traditional shaped toilet.
What are they like to sit on? Do you need a square bum?
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