• Re: JVC Roku TV and Alexa

    From Paul@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Dec 10 02:52:17 2023
    On 11/30/2023 4:44 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I have a Samsung, but the weak link there seems to be that everything works, except turning it on,Yes it will turn off, change channel and inputs etc,
    but not on. I suspect this means the Alexa bit is powered by the tv when on, and when its off its not working. You could try LG, maybe they have cracked it.
    There is no tuning as such on the Samsung. It just works. It does however have an annoying feature of needing a button to be pressed on the remote after its been on for some hours, or it turns off. Also even using smart things app, the lady A in the home cannot do as much as the lady A in the
    set which of course, needs you to hold down a button on the remote to speak to it.
    It often seems that they could have fixed all of these problems quite easily, had somebody thought it through in the design stages! One good thing about the Samsung I have is that there are two remotes, one that looks like mission control which is infra red, and the other with the microphone has very few but very tactile buttons and no keypad that works by radio link, so with AD on if you go to bed with it on, you can still control it and listen with wireless headphones, but don't turn it off as then you have to get up to turn it on again.
    Maybe the new 2023 models have better thought through facilities.
    Brian


    What is the model number of this technological fortress ? :-)

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Steve Jones on Sun Dec 10 02:28:59 2023
    On 11/30/2023 7:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:50:05 AM UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
    On Siri, there is an update that stops you having to say hey first, and its >> very annoying, as you are more likely to say siri before or as part of
    another word that triggers it. That is why Alexa is so much better, not only >> is it unlikely that you will say that word, but you can change it.
    Computer, Amazon, and for some reason ziggy are allowed on my newest one.
    This of course is why tvs use a button as if you do have a lady else where >> it would wake them up and so they do not use the word, just a button. Brian >> --

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    On 23/11/2023 15:25, Steve Jones wrote:
    When we ask "Alex channel 4 on TV" tv gets the command, it says Tuning, >>>>> and we end up back on the channel we started at after maybe 10s.

    No help, but to say...

    My LG set simply swaps to the chosen channel, and stays put. When giving >>>> Alexa commands, she doesn't normally silence the TV, but after asking
    her to change the channel, she muted the sound, on mentioning her name. >>>
    There must be a special Yorkshire version of Siri. Up near Skipton with
    SWMBO's aunt the last couple of days. Aunt's iPhone was off and Siri (AFA >>> she
    knew), off. Aunt mentions how independent the folks of Yourshire are, and >>> up
    pipes Siri to mention she's found three articles on Independence for
    Yorkshire.

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    Britain sitting behind the protectionist wall of the Customs Union is
    doing absolutely nothing for the oppressed coffee bean growers of the
    developing world. How ironic then that the cappuccino-swilling hordes of >>> Hove voted in large numbers to keep some of the world's poorest people and >>> traders locked out of our markets.

    Tom Bewick - Labour councillor in Brighton and Hove
    For my TV to get Alexa to be able to start the TV in stand bye you have to enable Network quick start up option in the network settings, however this increases the TVs stand bye power. I suspect what this means is that the network is still active in
    stand bye.
    Steve


    Ethernet chips draw about 1 watt (core logic for MAC, say).

    There are some fixed packet patterns, for WOL (Wake-on-LAN).

    If a packet comes in, the byte pattern meets the standard of
    detection implemented in the chip, the chip asserts PME and
    the computer supervisory logic converts PME into a request
    to rise to a higher power state.

    This means that the best you can do, is about one watt more
    power, to be listening on the LAN for a Magic Packet. Best case,
    the CPU does not have to draw any power, while it waits
    to be awakened by the PME (Power Management Event) mechanism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN # Magic Packet will get an honourable mention here

    Getting another Ethernet device on your subnet, to wake the
    TV, should not be a tough technical question. On some
    GbE network switch boxes, the interfaces "power down"
    when not being used, and in the past, this caused problems
    for the transmission of a Magic Packet to a subtending port.

    It's another issue entirely, to have a Magic Packet,
    travel all the way from Tokyo to London. The article above
    makes a reference to traversal of a router.

    The hardware can sit in any power state it wants... if it
    has an evil mission to carry out. You can use a Kill-O-Watt
    to study some of these too-clever appliances, and discover
    when they're not sleeping.

    In the early days of WakeOnLAN, a network card came with
    a small adapter cable, and you plugged the adapter cable,
    between the PCI card and the motherboard. That was because
    a PME-like signal, was not included in the hardware quite yet.
    But the motherboard did have a header with gold plated pins
    for it, and the network card came with a cute cable, to connect
    up the WOL function. If you did not desire waking on Magic Packets,
    you simply didn't install the cute cable. On modern computers,
    the PME signal is on the edge of the plugin network card, so
    no cute cable is provided or needed, and the signal to make
    the function work is already present. It still has to be configured.
    An Intel NIC with the right driver, makes demonstrating the
    configuration of the thing, a bit easier to understand.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/brBScZHR/Wake-On-LAN.gif

    Paul

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