• Bass Boost on a Panasonic TV

    From Chris Hogg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 00:16:10 2024
    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to
    my Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which
    I take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals
    early in their passage through the various electronics. I would like
    to increase the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to
    use the Hi-Fi unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it
    completely, would they? So where is it?

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    Chris

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Sat Apr 13 09:02:09 2024
    On 13/04/2024 00:16, Chris Hogg wrote:
    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to
    my Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which
    I take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals
    early in their passage through the various electronics. I would like
    to increase the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to
    use the Hi-Fi unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it
    completely, would they? So where is it?

    The e-Help guide for my Panasonic TX-58GX800B notes:
    "Some features are not available on all models. Available menu items are displayed on your TV screen."

    So it may well be that your TV doesn't have it if it doesn't appear.
    FWIW I just tried "Bass boost" on mine (with a Radio 3 Beethoven piece)
    and I couldn't tell any different with the boost on or off. I also tried running the Bass and Treble menu options between their -15 and +15
    limits (I set them at 0 several years ago), and couldn't detect any
    difference. Perhaps it's just my ears! If I want decent sound I use an
    amp and external speakers.

    FWIW while looking through the e-Help guide I also came across the
    following:

    "SPDIF Delay

    Adjusts the delay time of the sound output from DIGITAL AUDIO and HDMI2
    (ARC function) terminals if the sound does not synchronise the image."

    My TV doesn't have an SPDIF Delay setting so I can't tell you if it
    works or not.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Sat Apr 13 11:24:59 2024
    On 4/12/2024 7:16 PM, Chris Hogg wrote:
    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to
    my Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which
    I take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals
    early in their passage through the various electronics. I would like
    to increase the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to
    use the Hi-Fi unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it
    completely, would they? So where is it?


    https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions/4K-OLED-TV/tx-42mz800b.html

    "immersive sound" ???

    Dolby Atmos – For immersive sound, thanks to built-in subwoofer

    Page 24 "Equalizer Detail" -- that's if "VIVID" doesn't cut it :-)
    The Equalizer would give something other than the bland choices.
    And since it pretends to have a Sub... well who knows how you
    get a sub into a thin TV.

    https://tda.panasonic-europe-service.com/docs/2z661aa1d1z1z42bd2z656ez706466z24z1fccde7b9a60f52aff4bc8680bf4d8203bd7851d/pgrp001/pcat033/tx42mz800b/1000177/TX-42MZ800B_OIF.pdf

    Paul

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Sat Apr 13 17:16:50 2024
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 00:16:10 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to my
    Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which I
    take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals early in their passage through the various electronics. I would like to increase
    the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to use the Hi-Fi
    unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it completely, would they? So where is it?

    Try feeding the sound from the TV and not the PVR?

    My TV has an optical out and my speakers have an optical in so they seem
    to work well together.

    Scarily, when I first configured the digital out the TV played a test tone
    to synchronise with the speakers.

    LG43UQ91006LA TV.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to David on Sat Apr 13 17:59:00 2024
    On 13 Apr 2024 at 18:16:50 BST, "David" <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:

    My TV has an optical out and my speakers have an optical in so they seem
    to work well together.

    Ditto except I feed the optical into my amp. But I still need the subtitles.

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  • From Chris Hogg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 14 14:43:12 2024
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:24:59 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 4/12/2024 7:16 PM, Chris Hogg wrote:
    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to
    my Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which
    I take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals
    early in their passage through the various electronics. I would like
    to increase the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to
    use the Hi-Fi unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it
    completely, would they? So where is it?


    https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions/4K-OLED-TV/tx-42mz800b.html

    "immersive sound" ???

    Dolby Atmos – For immersive sound, thanks to built-in subwoofer

    Page 24 "Equalizer Detail" -- that's if "VIVID" doesn't cut it :-)
    The Equalizer would give something other than the bland choices.
    And since it pretends to have a Sub... well who knows how you
    get a sub into a thin TV.

    https://tda.panasonic-europe-service.com/docs/2z661aa1d1z1z42bd2z656ez706466z24z1fccde7b9a60f52aff4bc8680bf4d8203bd7851d/pgrp001/pcat033/tx42mz800b/1000177/TX-42MZ800B_OIF.pdf

    Paul


    Hmm - I've long been of the opinion that manuals are written by
    super-experts, who know all there is to know about a piece of kit,
    probably because they designed it and have followed it through from
    prototype to production. What they don't know is how to write manuals
    in such a way that the average guy can understand it and that are free
    from jargon, and explain in simple terms how to use the kit, why some
    features are greyed out and how to switch them back on, etc. My car
    manual is much the same. Sigh!

    --

    Chris

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Sun Apr 14 17:37:59 2024
    On 14/04/2024 14:43, Chris Hogg wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 11:24:59 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions/4K-OLED-TV/tx-42mz800b.html

    "immersive sound" ???

    Dolby Atmos – For immersive sound, thanks to built-in subwoofer

    Page 24 "Equalizer Detail" -- that's if "VIVID" doesn't cut it :-)
    The Equalizer would give something other than the bland choices.
    And since it pretends to have a Sub... well who knows how you
    get a sub into a thin TV.

    https://tda.panasonic-europe-service.com/docs/2z661aa1d1z1z42bd2z656ez706466z24z1fccde7b9a60f52aff4bc8680bf4d8203bd7851d/pgrp001/pcat033/tx42mz800b/1000177/TX-42MZ800B_OIF.pdf

    Hmm - I've long been of the opinion that manuals are written by super-experts, who know all there is to know about a piece of kit,
    probably because they designed it and have followed it through from
    prototype to production. What they don't know is how to write manuals
    in such a way that the average guy can understand it and that are free
    from jargon, and explain in simple terms how to use the kit, why some features are greyed out and how to switch them back on, etc. My car
    manual is much the same. Sigh!

    At least with a manual written by experts you get all the information
    about the product rather than just what the author understands or cares
    about.

    Mostly you just get a quick start guide that barely tells you how to
    switch it on.

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    Max Demian

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Apr 15 14:54:38 2024
    Max Demian wrote:

    At least with a manual written by experts you get all the information
    about the product rather than just what the author understands or cares >about.

    Mostly you just get a quick start guide that barely tells you how to
    switch it on.

    Quite! My soundbar is approaching 4 years old. I recently tried
    to access the page on their website which the Quick Start Manual
    claims is the Full User Manual, but had no luck.

    Searching for my model, I found an "Archive" page, with no
    content (besides a photo of the unit) and no links.

    Seeking advice from the maker, they originally just emailed a
    copy of the Quick Start Manual. When I persevered, their final
    response was:

    "Sorry, we do not have anything else on file for this product
    anymore."

    How hard would it be to maintain availability of archive
    material?

    I did try Wayback, but the detail pages were unavailable.

    Chris
    --
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    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From Harry Bloomfield Esq@21:1/5 to Chris Hogg on Mon Apr 15 16:17:20 2024
    On 13/04/2024 00:16, Chris Hogg wrote:
    I would like
    to increase the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to
    use the Hi-Fi unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    One way to improve the bass, is to increase the size of the speaker
    baffle. Modern built-in TV speakers are tiny, lacking in bass, because
    of their size...

    An old trick which can sometimes help, is to bluetack a short section of cardboard tube, a similar size/shape of the speakers, over the speakers.

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  • From Chris Hogg@21:1/5 to David on Mon Apr 15 16:32:19 2024
    On 13 Apr 2024 17:16:50 GMT, David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 00:16:10 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

    My new TV is a Panasonic TX-42MZ800B. It gets its input from a Humax
    PVR. At the moment I route the sound output from the PVR directly to my
    Hi-Fi unit because I find that the speakers on the TV lack bass and
    depth. But sometimes I think there is a slight lip-sync problem, which I
    take to be because I am separating the sound and vision signals early in
    their passage through the various electronics. I would like to increase
    the bass from the speakers on the TV so I don't need to use the Hi-Fi
    unit and so possibly avoid the lip-sync problem.

    I see that many Panasonic TV's have a 'bass boost' option in the sound
    setup routines, but not the TX-42MZ800B AFACT. Am I missing something?
    Do they call it something else? Surely they wouldn't omit it completely,
    would they? So where is it?

    Try feeding the sound from the TV and not the PVR?

    My TV has an optical out and my speakers have an optical in so they seem
    to work well together.

    Scarily, when I first configured the digital out the TV played a test tone
    to synchronise with the speakers.

    LG43UQ91006LA TV.

    Cheers



    Dave R

    Thanks. Got that to work after a bit of fiddling. The rats nest of
    wiring behind all the kit doesn't help, not does the fact that the
    Hi-Fi unit only has a single two-channel (L/R) coax input, and I
    needed a bit of ingenuity to get the DVD player to connect into the
    system. However, by using the RCA output from the DVD player, via an
    RCA > HMDI converter and then into the HMDI2 socket on the TV, which
    in turn feeds the only input on the Hi-Fi unit from the TV headphone
    socket, everything works, as long as I remember to change the TV input
    from HMDI1 to HMDI2.

    --

    Chris

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Mon Apr 15 17:34:19 2024
    On 15/04/2024 14:54, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    At least with a manual written by experts you get all the information
    about the product rather than just what the author understands or cares
    about.

    Mostly you just get a quick start guide that barely tells you how to
    switch it on.

    Quite! My soundbar is approaching 4 years old. I recently tried
    to access the page on their website which the Quick Start Manual
    claims is the Full User Manual, but had no luck.

    I always download PDF versions of user manuals, often before buying the product.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Mon Apr 15 18:57:13 2024
    On 15/04/2024 17:34, Max Demian wrote:
    On 15/04/2024 14:54, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    At least with a manual written by experts you get all the information
    about the product rather than just what the author understands or cares
    about.

    Mostly you just get a quick start guide that barely tells you how to
    switch it on.

    Quite! My soundbar is approaching 4 years old. I recently tried
    to access the page on their website which the Quick Start Manual
    claims is the Full User Manual, but had no luck.

    I always download PDF versions of user manuals, often before buying the product.

    +1

    I always look for the service manual as well, with
    https://elektrotanya.com and https://www.manualslib.com sometimes useful.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Tue Apr 16 01:37:55 2024
    On 4/15/2024 9:54 AM, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:

    At least with a manual written by experts you get all the information
    about the product rather than just what the author understands or cares
    about.

    Mostly you just get a quick start guide that barely tells you how to
    switch it on.

    Quite! My soundbar is approaching 4 years old. I recently tried
    to access the page on their website which the Quick Start Manual
    claims is the Full User Manual, but had no luck.

    Searching for my model, I found an "Archive" page, with no
    content (besides a photo of the unit) and no links.

    Seeking advice from the maker, they originally just emailed a
    copy of the Quick Start Manual. When I persevered, their final
    response was:

    "Sorry, we do not have anything else on file for this product
    anymore."

    How hard would it be to maintain availability of archive
    material?

    I did try Wayback, but the detail pages were unavailable.

    Chris


    Use archive.org .

    Post the model of the sound bar and the brand, and someone
    can give it a try for you.

    If your browser is too old, and the front page doesn't work properly,
    go to this URL.

    https://archive.org/advancedsearch.php

    Go to the question mark in the upper right. Click, so your I-beam is in
    the box. A menu with five items shows up. Select the bottom one
    which is "Search Archived web sites". Then paste the URL of the
    site with the deficient information content into the search rectangle,
    go back in time and try another date. Further back. Sites vary in how frequently they are archived. Some are only accessed once a year, others
    are backed up twice a day (which is silly). Archive.org has de-dup software,
    so even if it backs up twice a day, there is really only one copy of
    the file, made ten years ago. And all they have to do, is link a pointer
    to that copy. In that way, archiving each day takes minimal space.

    If the URL where the info was located, changed over the years, this
    can make it hard to find a manual. You will need your best detective
    tricks then.

    Sometimes I find versions of programs that run under Windows 7, by
    traveling back in time, but I don't really enjoy doing that. There
    are people who keep asking Windows XP questions, and every problem
    they've got, requires a solution fetched from archive.org . No web site
    seems to keep a WinXP era solution, on their web page.

    One thing archive.org does not keep, is FTP sites. If the URL was ftp.something.com , forget it. It's gone. But http://www.something.com
    or https://www.something.com , those might work.

    Paul

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