• Cant access folders on a HD in a caddie ?

    From jbrennand@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 23:29:50 2022
    We now have a new (to us) late-2013 MBPro Retina - now on a fresh
    install of Catalina. The HD from the old MBPro mid-2012 (also Catalina)
    has been removed and is now in an external Icybox caddie. When
    connected to the newer Pro we can see all the Apps and have transferred
    the ones we use across.

    However when we go to Users->Us->.... most of the folders there have red circles with a bar across and the contents cannot be seen or accessed.

    Why is that ? Is there anything we can do to open them up to become
    accessible to us to allow us to extract some of the files in there?

    Thanks for any input - John

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to brennand@ntlworld.com on Wed Dec 21 18:58:08 2022
    In article <to04te$156g9$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
    <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    We now have a new (to us) late-2013 MBPro Retina - now on a fresh
    install of Catalina. The HD from the old MBPro mid-2012 (also Catalina)
    has been removed and is now in an external Icybox caddie. When
    connected to the newer Pro we can see all the Apps and have transferred
    the ones we use across.

    However when we go to Users->Us->.... most of the folders there have red circles with a bar across and the contents cannot be seen or accessed.

    that's a permission issue.

    did you let the system migrate it?

    Why is that ? Is there anything we can do to open them up to become accessible to us to allow us to extract some of the files in there?

    in finder, select the external drive and choose get info (command-i),
    then tick ignore ownership on this volume (at the bottom).

    however, that won't entirely resolve the issue.

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Dec 22 01:43:19 2022
    On 21/12/2022 23:58, nospam wrote:
    In article <to04te$156g9$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand

    Thanks for the input..


    did you let the system migrate it?

    Nope - just pulled the HD from a destroyed (by a falling shelf!) MBPro -
    post mortem. Didn't have its HD in the caddie for a restore - as its a
    1TB HD and the new laptop is just 250 GB - so I thought that might cause
    an issue?

    Anyway, I hoped just to cherry pick off it what was actually needed.
    most of the TB is music and photos - which are backed up elsewhere - its
    just the few buried gems we crave :-)
    in finder, select the external drive and choose get info (command-i),
    then tick ignore ownership on this volume (at the bottom).

    Will give that a go tomorrow and report back

    however, that won't entirely resolve the issue.

    What might allow us to get it resolved?

    Thanks - John

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to brennand@ntlworld.com on Wed Dec 21 21:28:40 2022
    In article <to0cnn$15qij$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
    <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:


    did you let the system migrate it?

    Nope - just pulled the HD from a destroyed (by a falling shelf!) MBPro -
    post mortem. Didn't have its HD in the caddie for a restore - as its a
    1TB HD and the new laptop is just 250 GB - so I thought that might cause
    an issue?

    it's only an issue if you have more stuff than will fit.

    Anyway, I hoped just to cherry pick off it what was actually needed.
    most of the TB is music and photos - which are backed up elsewhere - its
    just the few buried gems we crave :-)

    that would have worked if you created the same accounts in the same
    sequence, so the ids (and permissions) matched.

    in finder, select the external drive and choose get info (command-i),
    then tick ignore ownership on this volume (at the bottom).

    Will give that a go tomorrow and report back

    ok

    however, that won't entirely resolve the issue.

    What might allow us to get it resolved?

    reinstall and migrate. you can choose to skip some stuff if needed so
    that everything fits. the accounts and ownership will be the same as
    the old system so there shouldn't be any permissions issues.

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Dec 22 18:36:00 2022
    On 22/12/2022 02:28, nospam wrote:
    In article <to0cnn$15qij$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
    <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:


    did you let the system migrate it?

    Nope - just pulled the HD from a destroyed (by a falling shelf!) MBPro -
    post mortem. Didn't have its HD in the caddie for a restore - as its a
    1TB HD and the new laptop is just 250 GB - so I thought that might cause
    an issue?

    it's only an issue if you have more stuff than will fit.

    Anyway, I hoped just to cherry pick off it what was actually needed.
    most of the TB is music and photos - which are backed up elsewhere - its
    just the few buried gems we crave :-)

    that would have worked if you created the same accounts in the same
    sequence, so the ids (and permissions) matched.

    in finder, select the external drive and choose get info (command-i),
    then tick ignore ownership on this volume (at the bottom).

    Will give that a go tomorrow and report back

    ok

    A no go...


    however, that won't entirely resolve the issue.

    What might allow us to get it resolved?

    reinstall and migrate. you can choose to skip some stuff if needed so
    that everything fits. the accounts and ownership will be the same as
    the old system so there shouldn't be any permissions issues.

    User tells me that the few items we cant access can either be found on
    his other drive or easily downloadable for a few quid - so not too bad.

    I will know what to do next time though :-)

    Thanks again for your help - John

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to brennand@ntlworld.com on Thu Dec 22 13:41:28 2022
    In article <to282i$1egpi$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
    <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    User tells me that the few items we cant access can either be found on
    his other drive or easily downloadable for a few quid - so not too bad.

    that works.

    you can also change the ownership of the items via command line if they
    can't be found elsewhere.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Thu Dec 22 18:49:42 2022
    On Dec 22, 2022, jbrennand wrote
    (in article <to282i$1egpi$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 22/12/2022 02:28, nospam wrote:
    In article<to0cnn$15qij$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
    <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:


    did you let the system migrate it?

    Nope - just pulled the HD from a destroyed (by a falling shelf!) MBPro - post mortem. Didn't have its HD in the caddie for a restore - as its a 1TB HD and the new laptop is just 250 GB - so I thought that might cause an issue?

    it's only an issue if you have more stuff than will fit.

    Anyway, I hoped just to cherry pick off it what was actually needed.
    most of the TB is music and photos - which are backed up elsewhere - its just the few buried gems we crave :-)

    that would have worked if you created the same accounts in the same sequence, so the ids (and permissions) matched.

    in finder, select the external drive and choose get info (command-i), then tick ignore ownership on this volume (at the bottom).

    Will give that a go tomorrow and report back

    ok

    A no go...

    Using the Terminal and sudo chmod will force things that the Finder won’t
    do.



    however, that won't entirely resolve the issue.

    What might allow us to get it resolved?

    reinstall and migrate. you can choose to skip some stuff if needed so
    that everything fits. the accounts and ownership will be the same as
    the old system so there shouldn't be any permissions issues.

    User tells me that the few items we cant access can either be found on
    his other drive or easily downloadable for a few quid - so not too bad.

    I will know what to do next time though :-)

    Thanks again for your help - John

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Thu Dec 22 18:48:35 2022
    On Dec 21, 2022, jbrennand wrote
    (in article <to04te$156g9$1@dont-email.me>):

    We now have a new (to us) late-2013 MBPro Retina - now on a fresh
    install of Catalina. The HD from the old MBPro mid-2012 (also Catalina)
    has been removed and is now in an external Icybox caddie. When
    connected to the newer Pro we can see all the Apps and have transferred
    the ones we use across.

    However when we go to Users->Us->.... most of the folders there have red circles with a bar across and the contents cannot be seen or accessed.

    Why is that ? Is there anything we can do to open them up to become accessible to us to allow us to extract some of the files in there?

    Thanks for any input - John

    You don’t have permission to access those folders.

    Launch Terminal. Navigate to Volumes (you’ll usually need to "cd .." a few times as you’ll usually be in your home directory.) Do an ls to see the
    names that Terminal has for the volumes. Identify the volume you care about. Type

    sudo chmod a+w<directory>

    where <directory> is the exact name of the volume. If the volume name is in two or more words, you may need to enclose them in quotes.

    As you’re using sudo, you’ll need an admin username and password.

    This command should feed 777 pries to the volume, so you should have complete access. If the volume was marked read-only, it won’t be any more.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Thu Dec 22 19:38:44 2022
    In article <0001HW.2955245302024AE9700003E6138F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    You don¹t have permission to access those folders.

    Launch Terminal. Navigate to Volumes (you¹ll usually need to "cd .." a few times as you¹ll usually be in your home directory.) Do an ls to see the
    names that Terminal has for the volumes. Identify the volume you care about. Type

    sudo chmod a+w<directory>

    don't do that.

    what is needed is chown, to change ownership, since the computer thinks
    they're owned by a different user because the user ids don't match.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Dec 23 05:51:22 2022
    On Dec 22, 2022, nospam wrote
    (in article<221220221938443032%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    In article<0001HW.2955245302024AE9700003E6138F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    You don¹t have permission to access those folders.

    Launch Terminal. Navigate to Volumes (you¹ll usually need to "cd .." a few times as you¹ll usually be in your home directory.) Do an ls to see the names that Terminal has for the volumes. Identify the volume you care about.
    Type

    sudo chmod a+w<directory>

    don't do that.

    what is needed is chown, to change ownership, since the computer thinks they're owned by a different user because the user ids don't match.

    If you do a chown, then, yes, you change ownership. However, in most cases
    the external drive will be marked read-only, especially if it was an APFS volume. If you do the chmod it’s not read-only anymore, and it doesn’t matter what the ownership is, it’s marked 777 and everything should be accessible. Worst case, go to the finder, get info on the volume, click ‘ignore ownership’.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Fri Dec 23 06:43:54 2022
    In article <0001HW.2955BFAA00008FE570000836838F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:


    sudo chmod a+w<directory>

    don't do that.

    what is needed is chown, to change ownership, since the computer thinks they're owned by a different user because the user ids don't match.

    If you do a chown, then, yes, you change ownership. However, in most cases the external drive will be marked read-only, especially if it was an APFS volume.

    no, it's just the files that are blocked because they are owned by a
    different user id. there were multiple user accounts and the ids don't
    match. the easiest way to avoid this is migration, otherwise, each user
    account needs to be created in the same order as before so they get the
    same uid as before.

    If you do the chmod it¹s not read-only anymore, and it doesn¹t
    matter what the ownership is, it¹s marked 777 and everything should be accessible.

    it's the wrong solution.

    Worst case, go to the finder, get info on the volume, click
    Œignore ownership¹.

    that's the first step.

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sat Dec 24 11:36:21 2022
    On 21/12/2022 23:29, jbrennand wrote:
    We now have a new (to us) late-2013 MBPro Retina - now on a fresh
    install of Catalina.  The HD from the old MBPro mid-2012 (also Catalina)
    has been removed and is now in an external Icybox caddie.  When
    connected to the newer Pro we can see all the Apps and have transferred
    the ones we use across.

    However when we go to Users->Us->.... most of the folders there have red circles with a bar across and the contents cannot be seen or accessed.

    Why is that ?  Is there anything we can do to open them up to become accessible to us to allow us to extract some of the files in there?

    Thanks for any input - John

    I'm pretty sure all I've done in the past is to click on the top folder,
    hit Command-I and use the Permission box at the bottom to change the
    ownership (enter your admin password in the padlock first), and then
    select the Apply To Enclosed items in the drop-down menu.

    --
    Andy H

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Sat Dec 24 15:36:24 2022
    On 24 Dec 2022 at 11:36:21 GMT, "Andy Hewitt" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 21/12/2022 23:29, jbrennand wrote:
    We now have a new (to us) late-2013 MBPro Retina - now on a fresh
    install of Catalina. The HD from the old MBPro mid-2012 (also Catalina)
    has been removed and is now in an external Icybox caddie. When
    connected to the newer Pro we can see all the Apps and have transferred
    the ones we use across.

    However when we go to Users->Us->.... most of the folders there have red
    circles with a bar across and the contents cannot be seen or accessed.

    Why is that ? Is there anything we can do to open them up to become
    accessible to us to allow us to extract some of the files in there?

    Thanks for any input - John

    I'm pretty sure all I've done in the past is to click on the top folder,
    hit Command-I and use the Permission box at the bottom to change the ownership (enter your admin password in the padlock first), and then
    select the Apply To Enclosed items in the drop-down menu.

    I didn't know thatI Could be useful. But just now, I've nothing to apply it
    to, AFAIK.

    John,

    --
    Mony a mickle makes a muckle.

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to Andy Hewitt on Sat Dec 24 22:03:28 2022
    On 24/12/2022 11:36, Andy Hewitt wrote:


    I'm pretty sure all I've done in the past is to click on the top folder,
    hit Command-I and use the Permission box at the bottom to change the ownership (enter your admin password in the padlock first), and then
    select the Apply To Enclosed items in the drop-down menu.

    Andy you are a genius ! That's worked :-)

    I had tried that on one of the downstream folders and got nowhere. But I
    hadn't twigged to do it on the Top, "Users", folder. Did it to that one
    and... voila ....all is now good - we can now access all folders.

    Thanks for the input. JohnB

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  • From Andy Hewitt@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sat Dec 24 23:01:57 2022
    On 24/12/2022 22:03, jbrennand wrote:
    On 24/12/2022 11:36, Andy Hewitt wrote:


    I'm pretty sure all I've done in the past is to click on the top
    folder, hit Command-I and use the Permission box at the bottom to
    change the ownership (enter your admin password in the padlock first),
    and then select the Apply To Enclosed items in the drop-down menu.

    Andy you are a genius !  That's worked :-)

    I had tried that on one of the downstream folders and got nowhere. But I hadn't twigged to do it on the Top, "Users", folder.  Did it to that one and... voila ....all is now good - we can now access all folders.

    Thanks for the input.  JohnB

    Glad that worked, sometimes I think all the 'clever' people miss out on
    the simplest solutions.

    Happy to help, and have a good Christmas :-)

    --
    Andy H

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