I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensions in order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to require 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is one to avoid. Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond Catalina just now, and if
the word is that Mojave is better/more stable etc etc then I'll just stick with that.
On 22/11/2022 21:03, TimS wrote:
I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensionsI used Catalina on my 2012 iMac without any hassle.
in order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to
require 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is
one to avoid. Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond
Catalina just now, and if the word is that Mojave is better/more stable
etc etc then I'll just stick with that.
I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensions in order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to require 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is one to avoid. Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond Catalina just now, and if
the word is that Mojave is better/more stable etc etc then I'll just stick with that.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensions in
order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to require >> 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is one to avoid. >> Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond Catalina just now, and if
the word is that Mojave is better/more stable etc etc then I'll just stick >> with that.
Be aware that Mojave is the last version that will run 32 bit apps.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensions in
order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to require >> 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is one to avoid. >> Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond Catalina just now, and if
the word is that Mojave is better/more stable etc etc then I'll just stick >> with that.
Be aware that Mojave is the last version that will run 32 bit apps.
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
I want to try VirtualBox 7, which would mean no more kernel extensions
in order to run it, so I can turn SIP back on. However this appears to
require 10.15 minimum, and I've heard some people say that Catalina is
one to avoid. Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to go beyond
Catalina just now, and if the word is that Mojave is better/more stable
etc etc then I'll just stick with that.
Be aware that Mojave is the last version that will run 32 bit apps.
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion
in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my
Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than VirtualBox.
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion
in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion >>> in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my
Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than
VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon,
which will be slow.
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion >>> in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my
Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than
VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon,
which will be slow.
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion >>>> in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my >>>> Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than
VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon,
which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update
2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
On 24 Nov 2022 at 09:05:41 GMT, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion >>>>> in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my >>>>> Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than
VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon,
which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for
spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update
2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
OP here.
None of this was really my question. I'm on Mojave, would moving to Catalina give me any problems that I'm not already facing? I have my VirtualBox VMs already set up and would like to be able to run them under VB 7 rather than VB
6.1; this will require Catalina or later.
At the moment, running even VB 6.1 under Mojave requires that I disable SIP. VB 7 lifts that requirement. I'd like to re-enable SIP in case the app I'm developing has some issues that are being masked by not having SIP enabled.
However, no one so far has a bad word to say for Catalina, so I'll poke around
for an installer.
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 09:05:41 GMT, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion >>>>>> in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my >>>>>> Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than >>>>>> VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until
I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon,
which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for
spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update
2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
OP here.
None of this was really my question. I'm on Mojave, would moving to Catalina >> give me any problems that I'm not already facing? I have my VirtualBox VMs >> already set up and would like to be able to run them under VB 7 rather than VB
6.1; this will require Catalina or later.
At the moment, running even VB 6.1 under Mojave requires that I disable SIP. >> VB 7 lifts that requirement. I'd like to re-enable SIP in case the app I'm >> developing has some issues that are being masked by not having SIP enabled.
It's been a while since I've used Mojave or Catalina but I never needed to disable SIP to run VB. I only ran linux VMs if that makes a difference.
It's been a while since I've used Mojave or Catalina but I never needed to disable SIP to run VB. I only ran linux VMs if that makes a difference.
On 24 Nov 2022 at 12:08:39 GMT, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 09:05:41 GMT, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:It's been a while since I've used Mojave or Catalina but I never needed to >> disable SIP to run VB. I only ran linux VMs if that makes a difference.
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion
in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my >>>>>>> Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than >>>>>>> VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until >>>>>> I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon, >>>>> which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for >>>> spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update
2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
OP here.
None of this was really my question. I'm on Mojave, would moving to Catalina
give me any problems that I'm not already facing? I have my VirtualBox VMs >>> already set up and would like to be able to run them under VB 7 rather than VB
6.1; this will require Catalina or later.
At the moment, running even VB 6.1 under Mojave requires that I disable SIP.
VB 7 lifts that requirement. I'd like to re-enable SIP in case the app I'm >>> developing has some issues that are being masked by not having SIP enabled. >>
VB 6.1 wants to install a kernel extension. With SIP enabled, this appears to be forbidden (or maybe SIP doesn't like Oracle, or its certificate, or summat).
On 24/11/2022 13:06, TimS wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 12:08:39 GMT, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 09:05:41 GMT, David Sankey
<David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of
VMWare Fusion
in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite
successfully on my
Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than >>>>>>>> VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until >>>>>>> I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon, >>>>>> which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for >>>>> spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update >>>>> 2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
OP here.
None of this was really my question. I'm on Mojave, would moving to
Catalina
give me any problems that I'm not already facing? I have my
VirtualBox VMs
already set up and would like to be able to run them under VB 7
rather than VB
6.1; this will require Catalina or later.
At the moment, running even VB 6.1 under Mojave requires that I
disable SIP.
VB 7 lifts that requirement. I'd like to re-enable SIP in case the
app I'm
developing has some issues that are being masked by not having SIP
enabled.
It's been a while since I've used Mojave or Catalina but I never
needed to
disable SIP to run VB. I only ran linux VMs if that makes a difference.
VB 6.1 wants to install a kernel extension. With SIP enabled, this
appears to
be forbidden (or maybe SIP doesn't like Oracle, or its certificate, or
summat).
Which is fair. Not a fan of Oracle myself ;)
On 24 Nov 2022 at 12:08:39 GMT, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2022 at 09:05:41 GMT, David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> wrote:It's been a while since I've used Mojave or Catalina but I never needed to >> disable SIP to run VB. I only ran linux VMs if that makes a difference.
On 23/11/2022 15:48, nospam wrote:
In article <1q1vktx.ce7z9v15clevlN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW I've run Mojave vm's using the free Reader version of VMWare Fusion
in Catalina, Big Sur, Monterey and now Ventura quite successfully on my >>>>>>> Intel Mac. VM's running under VMWare F.R. seem to run quicker than >>>>>>> VirtualBox.
Interesting. I think I'll hang fire for a while though, just until >>>>>> I hear that they have Apple Silicon versions running reliably.
anything older than big sur will require emulation on apple silicon, >>>>> which will be slow.
Also remember that anything older than Big Sur no longer receives
security updates from Apple (except in truly exceptional occasions for >>>> spectacularly heinous problems).
Last security update for Catalina was in July 2022 (Security Update
2022-005 Catalina) and for Mojave back in July 2021 (Security Update
2021-005 Mojave).
See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201222>
OP here.
None of this was really my question. I'm on Mojave, would moving to Catalina
give me any problems that I'm not already facing? I have my VirtualBox VMs >>> already set up and would like to be able to run them under VB 7 rather than VB
6.1; this will require Catalina or later.
At the moment, running even VB 6.1 under Mojave requires that I disable SIP.
VB 7 lifts that requirement. I'd like to re-enable SIP in case the app I'm >>> developing has some issues that are being masked by not having SIP enabled. >>
VB 6.1 wants to install a kernel extension. With SIP enabled, this appears to be forbidden (or maybe SIP doesn't like Oracle, or its certificate, or summat).
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