Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
So, I obtained an old bare Belkin Thunderbolt hub off eBay. I was just
wanting to add a little extra life to the old iMac, and gain a couple of
USB 3 ports, and a few other bits.
The hub seems to power up with a matching PSU I found. However, I got a
cable off eBay too, but of course now find that they're not all the
same! (why am I so surprised?), so it doesn't connect to the iMac (Late
2013 with Thunderbolt 1 / Minidisplayports).
Any idea where I can get hold of a sensibly priced cable? Seems like
they're only supplied in the same section as genuine hen's teeth. Unless
you fork out a month's gas supply for genuine Apple ones.
Is the Belkin hub Thunderbolt 1/2 or Thunderbolt 3/4? 1/2 use a Mini-Displayport connector, 3/4 use USB-C.
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the
Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
If you ned TBT 3 then you want USB-C connectors with a thunderbolt symbol
on them. Not sure where's best, but eg Startech probably have something.
So, I obtained an old bare Belkin Thunderbolt hub off eBay. I was just wanting to add a little extra life to the old iMac, and gain a couple of
USB 3 ports, and a few other bits.
The hub seems to power up with a matching PSU I found. However, I got a
cable off eBay too, but of course now find that they're not all the
same! (why am I so surprised?), so it doesn't connect to the iMac (Late
2013 with Thunderbolt 1 / Minidisplayports).
Any idea where I can get hold of a sensibly priced cable? Seems like
they're only supplied in the same section as genuine hen's teeth. Unless
you fork out a month's gas supply for genuine Apple ones.
It’s a TB2 version. My iMac is TB1. Yes, I know about the connectors.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That’s the problem, TB capable versions don’t seem to exist. Unless I pick
a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
The most irritating thing is that so many sellers are listing them as TB/MiniDP cables, where in fact they are MiniDP only. After a lot of searching, it seems clear that very few seem able to put an accurate description to what they’re selling.
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
It’s a TB2 version. My iMac is TB1. Yes, I know about the connectors.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
OK, a Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 cable.
That’s the problem, TB capable versions don’t seem to exist. Unless I pick
a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for >> the hub in fact).
The most irritating thing is that so many sellers are listing them as
TB/MiniDP cables, where in fact they are MiniDP only. After a lot of
searching, it seems clear that very few seem able to put an accurate
description to what they’re selling.
There are third party versions, but nobody is interested in pre-2016 Macs so they're old hat and probably out of stock in most places. Look on ebay, eg these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165706280870 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195396879727 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185114727023
and also the genuine Apple:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362624847815 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155181151436
and others.
My search was:
thunderbolt cable -displayport -"display port" -usb -mini -hdmi -throttle -brake
which filtered out everything claiming to be miniDP and most of the Thunderbolt 3 hits. There's a motorbike called a Thunderbolt whose parts also need removing from the search.
Thank you. I was searching for ages using variations of Thunderbolt, but probably bring up too many superfluous items. It's not like I hadn't
been trying, but just kept getting all the cruft.
Ebay seems just too horrible nowadays, it shouldn't be so hard to search
for something specific. I would never have thought of adding all those exclusion items for sure.
I've had some good bargains where the categorisation or title
wasn't very good and the item must have got overlooked by searchers.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the
Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there >> are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the
thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That’s the problem, TB capable versions don’t seem to exist. Unless I pick
a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
So, I obtained an old bare Belkin Thunderbolt hub off eBay. I was just wanting to add a little extra life to the old iMac, and gain a couple of
USB 3 ports, and a few other bits.
The hub seems to power up with a matching PSU I found. However, I got a
cable off eBay too, but of course now find that they're not all the
same! (why am I so surprised?), so it doesn't connect to the iMac (Late
2013 with Thunderbolt 1 / Minidisplayports).
Any idea where I can get hold of a sensibly priced cable? Seems like
they're only supplied in the same section as genuine hen's teeth. Unless
you fork out a month's gas supply for genuine Apple ones.
Cheers.
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the
Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the
thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills
this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the >>>> Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the >>>> thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick >>> a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for >>> the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills
this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the
Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the
thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That’s the problem, TB capable versions don’t seem to exist. Unless I pick
a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills
this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick
a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
That¹s the problem, TB capable versions don¹t seem to exist. Unless I pick a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills
this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Thank you. I was searching for ages using variations of Thunderbolt, but
probably bring up too many superfluous items. It's not like I hadn't
been trying, but just kept getting all the cruft.
Ebay seems just too horrible nowadays, it shouldn't be so hard to search
for something specific. I would never have thought of adding all those
exclusion items for sure.
Once you know the advanced search terms, the main other one being
(fred,jim,sheila)
for any title containing at least one of those, I find ebay quite good to find things. I've had some good bargains where the categorisation or title wasn't very good and the item must have got overlooked by searchers.
Still some annoyances though (eg can't filter collection-only items, there's a
Chrome extension for that [1]) and multi-item listings that are '99p to £999'
where the 99p item is one bag of air or similar).
In general though much better than Amazon, who show you things other than what you searched for and the 'sort by price' is useless because it includes things that don't match what you asked for and doesn't include postage. ebay's geographic filter is quite good ('ships from UK', 'within XX miles') while on Amazon it's hard to avoid Chinese sellers.
I've developed a technique for dealing with Amazon:
1. Search ebay for whatever it was you wanted, sort by price, establish roughly what the baseline price for the thing is
2. Search Amazon for the thing. Ten million hits, the first ones are mostly paid advertising.
3. Tick Prime, which filters all the sold-from-China stuff
4. Set the maximum price to be roughly the ebay price
5. Scan down the listing until the items stop matching your search terms
(ie it's run out of useful hits and is now showing you filler)
6. If nothing with Prime shows up, adjust the price in small steps upwards until you find what you want.
It turns out there are actually reasonably priced things on Amazon, even
with Prime, but Amazon railroad you towards items that cost roughly twice as much as those found by this method. (I'm mostly buying £10 generic household bits, not iPhones)
On 08/10/2022 12:15, Andy Hewitt wrote:
So, I obtained an old bare Belkin Thunderbolt hub off eBay. I was just
wanting to add a little extra life to the old iMac, and gain a couple
of USB 3 ports, and a few other bits.
The hub seems to power up with a matching PSU I found. However, I got
a cable off eBay too, but of course now find that they're not all the
same! (why am I so surprised?), so it doesn't connect to the iMac
(Late 2013 with Thunderbolt 1 / Minidisplayports).
Any idea where I can get hold of a sensibly priced cable? Seems like
they're only supplied in the same section as genuine hen's teeth.
Unless you fork out a month's gas supply for genuine Apple ones.
Cheers.
Might this be of help? https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-thunderbolt-4-cables
I bought additional RAM from them earlier this year. The service was
first class.
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the >>>>> Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the >>>>> thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick >>>> a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for >>>> the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills >>> this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
I think it’s just charging according to MacRumors as discussed in another ucsm topic.
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-products-switching-usb-c-2024/>
On 09/10/2022 10:19, David Brooks wrote:
On 08/10/2022 12:15, Andy Hewitt wrote:
So, I obtained an old bare Belkin Thunderbolt hub off eBay. I was
just wanting to add a little extra life to the old iMac, and gain a
couple of USB 3 ports, and a few other bits.
The hub seems to power up with a matching PSU I found. However, I got
a cable off eBay too, but of course now find that they're not all the
same! (why am I so surprised?), so it doesn't connect to the iMac
(Late 2013 with Thunderbolt 1 / Minidisplayports).
Any idea where I can get hold of a sensibly priced cable? Seems like
they're only supplied in the same section as genuine hen's teeth.
Unless you fork out a month's gas supply for genuine Apple ones.
Cheers.
Might this be of help?
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-thunderbolt-4-cables
Not really, you'll note I am looking for a Thunderbolt 1/2 cable. There
are plenty of TB 3/4 cables around without shopping across the pond.
I bought additional RAM from them earlier this year. The service was
first class.
Yes, I know of OWC, I bought an NVIDIA GPU for my old G5 PowerMac back
in 2007 from them.
For RAM (and the only SSD I've bought so far) I always use Crucial.
Equally good service, but with local supply in the UK.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the >>>> Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the >>>> thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick >>> a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for >>> the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills
this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
Am 09.10.22 um 13:37 schrieb Sn!pe:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 08.10.22 um 17:42 schrieb Andy Hewitt:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If you need to convert from TBT 2 to 3 the only sensible adapter is the >>>>> Apple one (try ebay). If you want a TBT 2 cable I'd look on ebay, as there
are probably people upgrading and selling them off - they must have the >>>>> thunderbolt symbol on them, not the miniDP monitor symbol.
No, I just want a straight TB to TB cable.
That's the problem, TB capable versions don't seem to exist. Unless I pick >>>> a genuine Apple cable. Which are somewhere near £50 (more than I paid for >>>> the hub in fact).
That is the most important reason to welcome the EU USB-C-move: It kills >>> this monopolistic behavior and price setting.
nospam: Your turn!
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
No. But data transfer is included because nobody will afford *two*
cables and/or two standards.
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
No. But data transfer is included because nobody will afford *two*
cables and/or two standards.
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
On 09/10/2022 12:42, Alan B wrote:
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/04/apple-products-switching-usb-c-2024/>
Seems like a good idea at first, but IMHO, it has the potential to
stifle progress and development of any new technology.
Also, is there any ambiguity with terminology here.
I see they want to standardise the 'charging' port, but as this is a
data port as well as charging port, does this even really apply? Surely
a device could have it's own data connection requirements that is more
than just a power feed.
So in reality, does this EU standard have any real world validity with
regard to any device currently available?
No. But data transfer is included because nobody will afford *two*
cables and/or two standards.
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
You need to have a USB-C port for charging. You can have other ports for other things (on laptops: monitors, card readers, etc), and you can have additional ports for charging (Magsafe). You can also use your USB-C port for things other than charging (data, audio, video, etc). What you can't have is a proprietary port as the only way to charge.
If by 'device currently available' you mean iPhones shipping today, it'll restrict their sale after 2024. That means Apple won't be able to keep the iPhone 14 in the lineup alongside the iPhone 17, as they sometimes do to provide a budget offering.
In article <ti8dos$7nj1$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Does the EU decree mandate connection protocols other than for charging?
No. But data transfer is included because nobody will afford *two*
cables and/or two standards.
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
completely wrong.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
No. But data transfer is included because nobody will afford *two*
cables and/or two standards.
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
I think you're confused. Thunderbolt is a protocol that goes over the USB-C connector (or, previously, miniDisplayport). It's part of the USB 4 spec.
Lightning is Apple's proprietary connector for iPhones and iPads (and earplugs and whatnot).
Thunderbolt is deader than dead.
completely wrong.
The market will decide.
Prorietary standards are dead.
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