Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and Mail
app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords
from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to log in
on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in Mail
or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her
Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used desktop Mail between now and then...
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The
error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her
Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month? https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The
error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her
Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net
to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in.
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The >>>> error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently. >>>>
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset some login credentials.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net
to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in.
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be enabled.
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and Mail
app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords
from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to log in
on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in Mail
or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her
Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month? https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
On 07 Jun 2022 at 17:21:22 BST, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and Mail >>> app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords
from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to log in >>> on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in Mail >>> or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her
Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
Your email client will log in , get mail, and then logout.
Read this:
What I have found is that one can continue with the existing client setup by using something called an app-specific password. I'm doing this and it seems to work. Here's how.
Firstly, you'll need to logon to your gmail account, and under "Manage account", choose "Security". Then, choose to enable Two-step-verification, or 2SV as they call it (also known as 2FA, or "two factor authentication"). This will take you through a sequence where you signup your smart phone to receive a code to enter, in addition to your password, at your sign in to Google from a device you've not signed in from previously.
Having done this, return to your Security page, and in the part on "Signing in
to Google", you'll see the section about "App Passwords". Expand that section next. Where you see "Select device" in that section, choose your device type. Then, where it says "Select App", choose "Other" and enter "iLetter". Now you can click "Generate". This will put up a pane with a password in large type that you need to copy (with ctrl/cmd-c or similar) to the clipboard.
Now switch to you email client and open the Preferences. Choose your gmail account, highlight the password field, and paste (with ctrl/cmd-v or similar) the password you copied above into the password field. Then click Save.
Job done.
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The >>>>> error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently. >>>>>
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset >> some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me
out of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done
that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net
to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok
on my other laptop.
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in. >>>
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be
enabled.
No - just username/password.
On 2022-06-07 20:21:46 +0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
On 07 Jun 2022 at 17:21:22 BST, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and Mail >>>> app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords >>>> from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to log in >>>> on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in Mail >>>> or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
Your email client will log in , get mail, and then logout.
Read this:
What I have found is that one can continue with the existing client setup by >> using something called an app-specific password. I'm doing this and it seems >> to work. Here's how.
Firstly, you'll need to logon to your gmail account, and under "Manage
account", choose "Security". Then, choose to enable Two-step-verification, or
2SV as they call it (also known as 2FA, or "two factor authentication"). This
will take you through a sequence where you signup your smart phone to receive
a code to enter, in addition to your password, at your sign in to Google from
a device you've not signed in from previously.
Having done this, return to your Security page, and in the part on "Signing in
to Google", you'll see the section about "App Passwords". Expand that section
next. Where you see "Select device" in that section, choose your device type.
Then, where it says "Select App", choose "Other" and enter "iLetter". Now you
can click "Generate". This will put up a pane with a password in large type >> that you need to copy (with ctrl/cmd-c or similar) to the clipboard.
Now switch to you email client and open the Preferences. Choose your gmail >> account, highlight the password field, and paste (with ctrl/cmd-v or similar)
the password you copied above into the password field. Then click Save.
Job done.
Seems rather involved! I wonder what 'iLetter' is? My other laptop
Mail/Gmail account is ok (one of the three with errors on main laptop),
and my 4th Gmail account is ok on my main laptop. Odd.
I'll work through your suggestion. Thanks.
On 2022-06-07 20:21:46 +0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
On 07 Jun 2022 at 17:21:22 BST, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords >>>> from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to
log in
on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in
or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
Your email client will log in , get mail, and then logout.
Read this:
What I have found is that one can continue with the existing client
setup by
using something called an app-specific password. I'm doing this and it
seems
to work. Here's how.
Firstly, you'll need to logon to your gmail account, and under "Manage
account", choose "Security". Then, choose to enable
Two-step-verification, or
2SV as they call it (also known as 2FA, or "two factor
authentication"). This
will take you through a sequence where you signup your smart phone to
receive
a code to enter, in addition to your password, at your sign in to
Google from
a device you've not signed in from previously.
Having done this, return to your Security page, and in the part on
"Signing in
to Google", you'll see the section about "App Passwords". Expand that
section
next. Where you see "Select device" in that section, choose your
device type.
Then, where it says "Select App", choose "Other" and enter "iLetter".
Now you
can click "Generate". This will put up a pane with a password in large
type
that you need to copy (with ctrl/cmd-c or similar) to the clipboard.
Now switch to you email client and open the Preferences. Choose your
gmail
account, highlight the password field, and paste (with ctrl/cmd-v or
similar)
the password you copied above into the password field. Then click Save.
Job done.
Seems rather involved!
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail)
desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and
Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check).
The
error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done
recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've
used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably
reset
some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me out
of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net
to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok on
my other laptop.
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed
in.
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be
enabled.
No - just username/password.
On 2022-06-07 20:21:46 +0000, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
On 07 Jun 2022 at 17:21:22 BST, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and Mail >>>> app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved passwords >>>> from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same password to log in >>>> on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The error shows in Mail >>>> or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I
selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail.
You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
Your email client will log in , get mail, and then logout.
Read this:
What I have found is that one can continue with the existing client setup by >> using something called an app-specific password. I'm doing this and it seems >> to work. Here's how.
Firstly, you'll need to logon to your gmail account, and under "Manage
account", choose "Security". Then, choose to enable Two-step-verification, or
2SV as they call it (also known as 2FA, or "two factor authentication"). This
will take you through a sequence where you signup your smart phone to receive
a code to enter, in addition to your password, at your sign in to Google from
a device you've not signed in from previously.
Having done this, return to your Security page, and in the part on "Signing in
to Google", you'll see the section about "App Passwords". Expand that section
next. Where you see "Select device" in that section, choose your device type.
Then, where it says "Select App", choose "Other" and enter "iLetter". Now you
can click "Generate". This will put up a pane with a password in large type >> that you need to copy (with ctrl/cmd-c or similar) to the clipboard.
Now switch to you email client and open the Preferences. Choose your gmail >> account, highlight the password field, and paste (with ctrl/cmd-v or similar)
the password you copied above into the password field. Then click Save.
Job done.
Seems rather involved! I wonder what 'iLetter' is? My other laptop
Mail/Gmail account is ok (one of the three with errors on main laptop),
and my 4th Gmail account is ok on my main laptop. Odd.
On 07/06/2022 20:53, Mark wrote:
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and >>>>>> Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The >>>>>> error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently. >>>>>>
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail. >>>>> You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset >>> some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me
out of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done
that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net >>>> to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok
on my other laptop.
You probably don't want to do this, but a full logout would verify
whether it truly is unaffected.
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in. >>>>
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be >>> enabled.
No - just username/password.
Google are enforcing stronger security so in order to access gmail with
third party apps you need to at least have 2FA enabled.
I suspect any gmail account you have that is currently still working
will fail as credentials expire or logins reset.
On 2022-06-08 07:43:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 20:53, Mark wrote:
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>>>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and >>>>>>> Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved >>>>>>> passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The >>>>>>> error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently. >>>>>>>
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>>>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail. >>>>>> You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too >>>>> 'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset >>>> some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me
out of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done
that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net >>>>> to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok
on my other laptop.
You probably don't want to do this, but a full logout would verify
whether it truly is unaffected.
You're right - I don't (at least, for now)!
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in. >>>>>
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message, >>>>> not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be >>>> enabled.
No - just username/password.
Google are enforcing stronger security so in order to access gmail with
third party apps you need to at least have 2FA enabled.
I suspect any gmail account you have that is currently still working
will fail as credentials expire or logins reset.
Even (up-to-date) Mail on the iPhone?
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-08 07:43:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 20:53, Mark wrote:
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop
Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and >>>>>>>> Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved >>>>>>>> passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same >>>>>>>> password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The
error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently.
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used
desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month? >>>>>>> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail. >>>>>>> You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too >>>>>> 'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset
some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me
out of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done >>>> that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net >>>>>> to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok
on my other laptop.
You probably don't want to do this, but a full logout would verify
whether it truly is unaffected.
You're right - I don't (at least, for now)!
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in.
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message, >>>>>> not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be >>>>> enabled.
No - just username/password.
Google are enforcing stronger security so in order to access gmail with
third party apps you need to at least have 2FA enabled.
I suspect any gmail account you have that is currently still working
will fail as credentials expire or logins reset.
Even (up-to-date) Mail on the iPhone?
Yup. The client doesn't matter. The only exception is the gmail app. Unsurprisingly.
Deliberately so, I suspect, because it means your app is using weakened security.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:Suppose at least there’s that till things get sorted out here!
Even (up-to-date) Mail on the iPhone?
Yup. The client doesn't matter. The only exception is the gmail app.
Unsurprisingly.
On 08/06/2022 07:22, Chris Ridd wrote:
I doubt that. Google trying hard to convince people that they have the
Deliberately so, I suspect, because it means your app is using
weakened security.
only safe pair of hands...
I've mostly dumped them for searches I suppose now I need to look around
at email providers.
On 10/06/2022 16:03, David Kennedy wrote:
On 08/06/2022 07:22, Chris Ridd wrote:
I doubt that. Google trying hard to convince people that they have the only >> safe pair of hands...
Deliberately so, I suspect, because it means your app is using weakened
security.
I've mostly dumped them for searches I suppose now I need to look around at >> email providers.
As they say, if the service is free then the product is you.
On 07/06/2022 20:53, Mark wrote:
On 2022-06-07 19:44:13 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2022-06-07 16:21:22 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> said:
On 07/06/2022 16:29, Mark wrote:
Out of the blue I'm getting the above error on my three (Gmail) desktop >>>>>> Mail accounts - they've gone offline. I can log in with Safari, and >>>>>> Mail app & Gmail app are A-OK on the iPhone.... I tried the saved
passwords from 1Password but just get the same (I used the same
password to log in on desktop Safari instead of autofill to check). The >>>>>> error shows in Mail or Internet Accounts. No updates etc done recently. >>>>>>
The only thing I can think of is that I let my housemate log in to her >>>>>> Gmail account using mobile Safari yesterday, and after I'd finished I >>>>>> selected 'log out of all acoounts' (or similar, I think). But I've used >>>>>> desktop Mail between now and then...
Are you aware of the 2FA/OAuth changes at the end of last month?
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
Essentially they've disabled username/password only access to gmail. >>>>> You'll need to update how you access your email via Mail.
It suggests that because I'm using Mail on Mojave (both now being too
'old') I can't use a username/password?
From 30th May - but this happened today?
But you logged out of all your email accounts yesterday. It probably reset >>> some login credentials.
Does "logging out of all accounts" on the Gmail web interface log me
out of Gmail on the desktop? I didn't realise that. I'm sure I've done
that before without issue.
Also, my fourth gmail account
is ok - although in Internet Accounts it has the square google icon net >>>> to it, instead of the square blue Internet Account icon.
Are they all POP or IMAP accounts?
Two POP, one IMAP. Plus I have a fourth Gmail account which is ok.
Also, my main Gmail account (one of the ones with the error) workd ok
on my other laptop.
You probably don't want to do this, but a full logout would verify
whether it truly is unaffected.
Also 'when signing in'... I don't sign in - I'm always already signed in. >>>>
And, this all seems to refer to a 'password incorrect'error message,
not "unable to verify account name or password"
Lordy, I'm confused!
Do you have 2FA set on your gmail? That's the main thing that needs to be >>> enabled.
No - just username/password.
Google are enforcing stronger security so in order to access gmail with
third party apps you need to at least have 2FA enabled.
I suspect any gmail account you have that is currently still working
will fail as credentials expire or logins reset.
Well, after all that i finally got enough courage to sort this out (I'm always petrified of email/iCloud/Notes getting disconnected in some way between devices - plus I'm still hazy on the whole POP/IMAP thing).
I started by deleting the accounts in Sys Prefs -> Internet Accounts
(there were two of each - the one with the Gmail icon (inactive) and
one with the Mail icon, although neither 'worked'). Simply re-adding
those accounts there worked, although I was bounced to Safari/Gmail for
each to sign in.
And that's it. My Notes seem ok (thank god) - but I'll have to go
through sorting out those emails marked as read/not read - but apart
from that, phew. My phone seems ok, but on my other laptop my main
account is fine (but then it was before), while another account is
still not working. Maybe I need to delete/re-add it from there?
I know it's partly me, but the POP/IMAP/iCloud/Gmail/Mail conncting
multiple devices thing seems like one of the less 'user friendly'
aspects of Apple's ecosystem.
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t think Apple can be entirely blamed!
Alan B wrote:
[snip]
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple >> devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t >> think Apple can be entirely blamed!
There's virtually no justification for using POP these days. Possible excuses are:
1. Very old m/c & client (as for Liz Tuddenham).
2. You use only one email client on just one machine.
3. Non-availability of IMAP on your mail server (sometimes a limitation
of ISP's which only provide internet connectivity).
4. Very limited storage on your mail server, so POP has to be used to download & remove mails from server (which is its normal
configuration). You can of course configure your client to behave
that way for IMAP - this may be beyond the capabilities of the naive
user.
Another problem is the inability of the user to delete
old/read/unwanted emails. I've seen 50GB mail server storage spaces
fill up in a matter of months for non-technical users such as
solicitors. Such users need to employ a full-time IT support person,
who archives such emails as may be legally necessary.
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t think Apple can be entirely blamed!
On 20 Jun 2022 at 16:57:41 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple >> devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t >> think Apple can be entirely blamed!
This prompts me to raise a problem that has bothered me for some time.
I thought - and still think - that all mail in an IMAP account was supposed to
be equally available on all devices accessing the account.
Mail on my iPad doesn't work that way. "Read" Mail soon disappears from the inboxes and other folders when it is clearly visible in Mail on my iMac, and I
can find no way of accessing or retreiving it.
How can this be? What do I need to do to put this right?
John Hill wrote:
On 20 Jun 2022 at 16:57:41 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple >>> devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t >>> think Apple can be entirely blamed!
This prompts me to raise a problem that has bothered me for some time.
I thought - and still think - that all mail in an IMAP account was supposed to
be equally available on all devices accessing the account.
That is correct.
Mail on my iPad doesn't work that way. "Read" Mail soon disappears from the >> inboxes and other folders when it is clearly visible in Mail on my iMac, and I
can find no way of accessing or retrieving it.
How can this be? What do I need to do to put this right?
Does the iPad have the option to set up its mail client to use POP, and
have you done that in error? If you send a message from the iPad, does
it appear in the "Sent" folder that is visible to other clients and via Webmail? If not, this may confirm that the iPad is using POP.
It may be that your iPad Mail client has a filter to hide "Read"
messages. Possibly you set this up without understanding it.
It may go further and mark these messges on the server as having been
"read" by this client, so that even if you delete the account on the
client and re-create it those messages will not be re-delivered to the client.
Can you try creating this account on a different iPad? Does that get
all the messages?
On 20 Jun 2022 at 16:57:41 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple >> devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t >> think Apple can be entirely blamed!
This prompts me to raise a problem that has bothered me for some time.
I thought - and still think - that all mail in an IMAP account was supposed to
be equally available on all devices accessing the account.
Mail on my iPad doesn't work that way. "Read" Mail soon disappears from the inboxes and other folders when it is clearly visible in Mail on my iMac, and I
can find no way of accessing or retrieving it.
How can this be? What do I need to do to put this right?
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
John Hill wrote:
On 20 Jun 2022 at 16:57:41 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple
devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t >>>> think Apple can be entirely blamed!
This prompts me to raise a problem that has bothered me for some time.
I thought - and still think - that all mail in an IMAP account was supposed to
be equally available on all devices accessing the account.
That is correct.
Mail on my iPad doesn't work that way. "Read" Mail soon disappears from the >>> inboxes and other folders when it is clearly visible in Mail on my iMac, and I
can find no way of accessing or retrieving it.
How can this be? What do I need to do to put this right?
Does the iPad have the option to set up its mail client to use POP, and
have you done that in error? If you send a message from the iPad, does
it appear in the "Sent" folder that is visible to other clients and via
Webmail? If not, this may confirm that the iPad is using POP.
It may be that your iPad Mail client has a filter to hide "Read"
messages. Possibly you set this up without understanding it.
It may go further and mark these messges on the server as having been
"read" by this client, so that even if you delete the account on the
client and re-create it those messages will not be re-delivered to the
client.
Can you try creating this account on a different iPad? Does that get
all the messages?
If you don’t mind using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and you’re using IMAP, then deleting the account and recreating it should null any “dodgy” settings without losing any messages!
On 21 Jun 2022 at 08:51:10 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
John Hill wrote:
On 20 Jun 2022 at 16:57:41 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Ages ago having a mix of POP and IMAP for an account accessed over multiple
devices I found very confusing. So it’s IMAP all the time now. I don’t
think Apple can be entirely blamed!
This prompts me to raise a problem that has bothered me for some time. >>>>
I thought - and still think - that all mail in an IMAP account was supposed to
be equally available on all devices accessing the account.
That is correct.
Mail on my iPad doesn't work that way. "Read" Mail soon disappears from the
inboxes and other folders when it is clearly visible in Mail on my iMac, and I
can find no way of accessing or retrieving it.
How can this be? What do I need to do to put this right?
Does the iPad have the option to set up its mail client to use POP, and
have you done that in error? If you send a message from the iPad, does
it appear in the "Sent" folder that is visible to other clients and via
Webmail? If not, this may confirm that the iPad is using POP.
It may be that your iPad Mail client has a filter to hide "Read"
messages. Possibly you set this up without understanding it.
It may go further and mark these messges on the server as having been
"read" by this client, so that even if you delete the account on the
client and re-create it those messages will not be re-delivered to the
client.
Can you try creating this account on a different iPad? Does that get
all the messages?
If you don’t mind using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and you’re using >> IMAP, then deleting the account and recreating it should null any “dodgy”
settings without losing any messages!
Tried that, without effect.
But I have found the solution; if I go to Settings/Mail/Accounts and select the account, there is at the bottom a selector marked Days to Sync or some such. There is no explanation and it is set by default to "One month". Turns out that this cuts off the sync at a month back, not that it is the time between syncs. Set it to No Limit, and all the missing posts appear.
A little explanation would have helped.
Presumably this is intended to limit the amout of space taken up by old mails.
But I have found the solution; if I go to Settings/Mail/Accounts and select the account, there is at the bottom a selector marked Days to Sync or some such. There is no explanation and it is set by default to "One month". Turns out that this cuts off the sync at a month back, not that it is the time between syncs. Set it to No Limit, and all the missing posts appear.
A little explanation would have helped.
Presumably this is intended to limit the amout of space taken up by old mails.
John Hill wrote:
[snip]
But I have found the solution; if I go to Settings/Mail/Accounts and
select
the account, there is at the bottom a selector marked Days to Sync or
some
such. There is no explanation and it is set by default to "One month".
Turns
out that this cuts off the sync at a month back, not that it is the time
between syncs. Set it to No Limit, and all the missing posts appear.
A little explanation would have helped.
Presumably this is intended to limit the amout of space taken up by
old mails.
Is this only on the iPad's Mail client, not on other iThings?
On 22/06/2022 11:24, Graham J wrote:
John Hill wrote:
[snip]
But I have found the solution; if I go to Settings/Mail/Accounts and
select
the account, there is at the bottom a selector marked Days to Sync or
some
such. There is no explanation and it is set by default to "One month".
Turns
out that this cuts off the sync at a month back, not that it is the time >>> between syncs. Set it to No Limit, and all the missing posts appear.
A little explanation would have helped.
Presumably this is intended to limit the amout of space taken up by
old mails.
Is this only on the iPad's Mail client, not on other iThings?
Interesting. I've Checked this on my iPad, iPhone and iMac, but cannot
see such an option on any of them, in any type of account (iCloud, Gmail
or Plusnet).
(goes to DuckDuckGo...)
Ah, seems this was removed as an option around iOS14.
Although I've only found that you simply keep scrolling down the list of messages to keep downloading older ones that are stored on the server.
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
On 22/06/2022 11:24, Graham J wrote:
John Hill wrote:
[snip]
But I have found the solution; if I go to Settings/Mail/Accounts and
select
the account, there is at the bottom a selector marked Days to Sync or
some
such. There is no explanation and it is set by default to "One month". >>>> Turns
out that this cuts off the sync at a month back, not that it is the time >>>> between syncs. Set it to No Limit, and all the missing posts appear.
A little explanation would have helped.
Presumably this is intended to limit the amout of space taken up by
old mails.
Is this only on the iPad's Mail client, not on other iThings?
Interesting. I've Checked this on my iPad, iPhone and iMac, but cannot
see such an option on any of them, in any type of account (iCloud, Gmail
or Plusnet).
(goes to DuckDuckGo...)
Ah, seems this was removed as an option around iOS14.
Although I've only found that you simply keep scrolling down the list of
messages to keep downloading older ones that are stored on the server.
I haven't looked on my iPhone, but it is certainly there in iPadOS 15.5 for Outlook and Exchange accounts. It is NOT there on my iCloud account, and
may well not be there for Gmail, which is odd in so many ways. Mail on the iMac is different from Mail on an iPad, I don't think any such option
exists. Since IMHO it is to enable an iPad user to economise on space, there's probably no need to have it on an iMac.
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