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    From jbrennand@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 22:00:08 2022
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my
    daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working as
    it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to pay
    for iWork. I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want to pay
    for her to use it as she does very little with it other than read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key). Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ? Also, would it then allow
    a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole
    been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Fri Mar 18 22:52:25 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:36, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my
    daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working
    as it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to
    pay for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want
    to pay for her to use it as she does very little with it other than
    read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then
    allow a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little
    loophole been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    I have a vague recollection of iWork being a chargeable upgrade in the
    dim and distant past but, AFAIK it's no longer the case.
    Pages is a free download - you can check on the app store - and I
    suspect that numbers is also.

    You should probably forget the iwork disc and start with the latest
    versions the machine will take.
    Thanks David, good call.

    I will take a peek on the App store tomorrow when I fire her MBP up
    again.... I am taking a well deserved break now with a glass of chilled
    Chablis and the Irish rock night on BBC2 :-)

    JohnB

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Fri Mar 18 22:36:42 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my daughters
    2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working as it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to pay for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want to pay for her to use it as she does very little with it other than read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then allow a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    I have a vague recollection of iWork being a chargeable upgrade in the dim and distant past but, AFAIK it's no longer the case.
    Pages is a free download - you can check on the app store - and I suspect that numbers is also.

    You should probably forget the iwork disc and start with the latest versions the machine will take.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Fri Mar 18 22:13:10 2022
    On 2022 Mar 18, jbrennand wrote
    (in article <t12vd9$hdo$1@dont-email.me>):

    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working as
    it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to pay
    for iWork.

    no, you don’t. When Keynote first came out, Apple charged for it. Apple
    also charged for Pages. iWork cost what Keynote had cost by itself... and
    then it was free. It’s been free since 2013.
    I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want to pay
    for her to use it as she does very little with it other than read/edit docs.

    go to the Apple Store. iWork is available as individual downloads.


    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key). Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?

    i suspect that it’s dead.
    Also, would it then allow
    a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole
    been closed down now?

    it’s just free. it’s free on Macs, free on iOS, it even has a web app version which works, sort of, on Windows, and for free.


    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sat Mar 19 08:21:41 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:52, jbrennand wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:36, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my
    daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working
    as it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to
    pay for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want
    to pay for her to use it as she does very little with it other than
    read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then
    allow a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little
    loophole been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    I have a vague recollection of iWork being a chargeable upgrade in the
    dim and distant past but, AFAIK it's no longer the case.
    Pages is a free download - you can check on the app store - and I
    suspect that numbers is also.

    You should probably forget the iwork disc and start with the latest
    versions the machine will take.
    Thanks David, good call.

    I will take a peek on the App store tomorrow when I fire her MBP up
    again.... I am taking a well deserved break now with a glass of chilled Chablis and the Irish rock night on BBC2 :-)



    Does it have Ceilidh written all the way through?

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to David Kennedy on Sat Mar 19 08:20:43 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:36, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my
    daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working
    as it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to
    pay for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want
    to pay for her to use it as she does very little with it other than
    read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then
    allow a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little
    loophole been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    I have a vague recollection of iWork being a chargeable upgrade in the
    dim and distant past but, AFAIK it's no longer the case.
    Pages is a free download - you can check on the app store - and I
    suspect that numbers is also.

    It is, as is Keynote IIRC


    You should probably forget the iwork disc and start with the latest
    versions the machine will take.


    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Sat Mar 19 10:16:13 2022
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:36, David Kennedy wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my
    daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working
    as it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to
    pay for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want
    to pay for her to use it as she does very little with it other than
    read/edit docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then
    allow a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little
    loophole been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    I have a vague recollection of iWork being a chargeable upgrade in the
    dim and distant past but, AFAIK it's no longer the case.
    Pages is a free download - you can check on the app store - and I
    suspect that numbers is also.

    It is, as is Keynote IIRC

    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and have online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sat Mar 19 19:02:17 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
      Also, would it then allow
    a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole
    been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    Thanks for all your input chaps. Good to know they are free on the App
    store. As she wasnt here today and I dont have access to her App store account, I just installed Libre Office. Have to say it looks a lot
    better than it did when I tried it yonks ago.

    It now opens all her Docs/xcl/ppt documents and they all seem to
    read/edit fine.

    Are there any gotcha's I need to be aware of ?

    I will leave her to test it out and if she likes it then its job done.
    If not I will point her in the direction of the App store.

    Cheers JohnB

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sat Mar 19 20:59:53 2022
    On 19/03/2022 19:02, jbrennand wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
      Also, would it then allow
    a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole been >> closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    Thanks for all your input chaps.  Good to know they are free on the App store.  As she wasnt here today and I dont have access to her App store account, I just installed Libre Office.  Have to say it looks a lot better than it did when I tried it yonks ago.

    It now opens all her Docs/xcl/ppt documents and they all seem to read/edit fine.

    Are there any gotcha's I need to be aware of ?

    Only that Pages will open most MS files and save in that format too.

    I will leave her to test it out and if she likes it then its job done. If not I will point her in the direction of the App store.

    Cheers JohnB

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sun Mar 27 18:57:00 2022
    jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 19/03/2022 10:16, Alan B wrote:


    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and have
    online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    If that's correct, how does she actually get them ?

    She goes to the App store, finds them, tries to download and gets a no
    go message something like.... "this is not compatible for your operating system"... and it wont download.

    She is still on High Sierra and has never had iWork on it - she was all M$Office until being 365'd

    Thoughts ?


    The versions in the App Store will be the latest versions which are no
    longer compatible with High Sierra. You are not alone with this problem so
    may be the online iCloud versions are the answer or a third party app such
    as LibreOffice as mentioned before.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781090>

    --
    Cheers, Alan

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Mar 27 19:42:37 2022
    On 19/03/2022 10:16, Alan B wrote:


    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and have online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    If that's correct, how does she actually get them ?

    She goes to the App store, finds them, tries to download and gets a no
    go message something like.... "this is not compatible for your operating system"... and it wont download.

    She is still on High Sierra and has never had iWork on it - she was all M$Office until being 365'd

    Thoughts ?

    JohnB

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.h on Sun Mar 27 20:11:20 2022
    On 2022-03-27 18:57:00 +0000, Alan B
    <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:

    jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 19/03/2022 10:16, Alan B wrote:


    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and have >>> online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    If that's correct, how does she actually get them ?

    She goes to the App store, finds them, tries to download and gets a no
    go message something like.... "this is not compatible for your operating
    system"... and it wont download.

    She is still on High Sierra and has never had iWork on it - she was all
    M$Office until being 365'd

    Thoughts ?


    The versions in the App Store will be the latest versions which are no
    longer compatible with High Sierra. You are not alone with this problem so may be the online iCloud versions are the answer or a third party app such
    as LibreOffice as mentioned before.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781090>

    You could try this... <https://www.cultofmac.com/306118/download-apples-iwork-apps-older-macs-free/>

    Or

    you can purchase the full iWork '09 DVD, but remember the '09 -> later
    version issues: I forget the details, but an older (e.g '09) doc opened
    in more recent Pages version saves it as that newer version, and can't
    then be re-opened in '09. Or something like that...)


    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to Alan B on Sun Mar 27 20:17:32 2022
    On 27/03/2022 19:57, Alan B wrote:
    jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 19/03/2022 10:16, Alan B wrote:


    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and have >>> online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    If that's correct, how does she actually get them ?

    She goes to the App store, finds them, tries to download and gets a no
    go message something like.... "this is not compatible for your operating
    system"... and it wont download.

    She is still on High Sierra and has never had iWork on it - she was all
    M$Office until being 365'd

    Thoughts ?


    The versions in the App Store will be the latest versions which are no
    longer compatible with High Sierra. You are not alone with this problem so may be the online iCloud versions are the answer or a third party app such
    as LibreOffice as mentioned before.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781090>

    Thanks Alan. Yes a little googling has found many many disgruntled
    Mac-users having the same issue all p'd off by finding that Apple in its infinite wisdom seems to be actively precluding users of older
    kit/software from accessing the Apple iWork software. A ruse to get
    people to buy updated equipment is the consensus view. Steve... more
    than ever.. wish you were still here with us :-(

    Cheers John

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to Mark on Sun Mar 27 20:23:41 2022
    On 27/03/2022 20:11, Mark wrote:
    On 2022-03-27 18:57:00 +0000, Alan B
    <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:

    jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On 19/03/2022 10:16, Alan B wrote:


    Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all free on macOS, iOS and iPadOS and
    have
    online capabilities via iCloud on a web browser.

    If that's correct, how does she actually get them ?

    She goes to the App store, finds them, tries to download and gets a no
    go message something like.... "this is not compatible for your operating >>> system"... and it wont download.

    She is still on High Sierra and has never had iWork on it - she was all
    M$Office until being 365'd

    Thoughts ?


    The versions in the App Store will be the latest versions which are no
    longer compatible with High Sierra. You are not alone with this
    problem so
    may be the online iCloud versions are the answer or a third party app
    such
    as LibreOffice as mentioned before.

    <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781090>

    You could try this... <https://www.cultofmac.com/306118/download-apples-iwork-apps-older-macs-free/>


    Or
    you can purchase the full iWork '09 DVD, but remember the '09 -> later version issues: I forget the details, but an older (e.g '09) doc opened
    in more recent Pages version saves it as that newer version, and can't
    then be re-opened in '09. Or something like that...)


    Cheers Mark

    I saw that link but didnt progress because of the security warning for downloading it - but as I said in the first post I still have my old
    iWork'08 family install disc (with Key)- I may give that a go when she
    is next here with the MBP.

    John

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to Mark on Sun Mar 27 20:25:38 2022
    On 27/03/2022 20:11, Mark wrote:
    On 2022-03-27 18:57:00 +0000, Alan B


    I forget the details, but an older (e.g '09) doc opened
    in more recent Pages version saves it as that newer version, and can't
    then be re-opened in '09. Or something like that...)

    .... somehow that doesn't surprise me with Apple these days...

    JohnB

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sun Mar 27 20:38:39 2022
    On 2022-03-27 19:25:38 +0000, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> said:

    On 27/03/2022 20:11, Mark wrote:
    On 2022-03-27 18:57:00 +0000, Alan B


    I forget the details, but an older (e.g '09) doc opened
    in more recent Pages version saves it as that newer version, and can't
    then be re-opened in '09. Or something like that...)

    .... somehow that doesn't surprise me with Apple these days...

    JohnB

    Quite! I'm not 100% sure (you'd have to check) but yeah - some
    incompatability between '09 & later versions (a shame as the later
    versions of Pages aren't a patch on '09)
    --
    Cheers ... Mark

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  • From jbrennand@21:1/5 to jbrennand on Sun Apr 3 16:27:14 2022
    On 18/03/2022 22:00, jbrennand wrote:
    In my thread below you can read that I have put a new SSD HD into my daughters 2012 MBP which is currently running High Sierra 10.13.6.

    She had an old MS Office on there which of course is now not working as
    it is wanting her to update to 365 which she is never going to do.

    I plan to move her to Libre Office because I believe you now have to pay
    for iWork.  I use it on my new MB Air and I like it but dont want to pay
    for her to use it as she does very little with it other than read/edit
    docs.

    However, I have just discovered my old iWork'08 family install disc
    (with Key).  Before trying it out, do you think this will install and
    run Pages/Numbers/Keynote on her system ok ?  Also, would it then allow
    a free "upgrade" through the Apple Store - or has that little loophole
    been closed down now?

    Thanks for any thoughts.

    JohnB

    Final update. Managed this ok this aft.... Twice :-) !

    The iWork8 Disc installed fine I could update to the latest version of
    that and it opened all the Office documents.

    However, I also went to the App store and the latest versions were not available from her account in "Purchased" items - however - our accounts
    are linked and I could see them in my "Purchased" list from 2015. They
    all downloaded and work fine on High Sierra.

    Thanks for your inputs.

    JohnB

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Mark on Tue Apr 5 11:08:19 2022
    On Mar 27, 2022, Mark wrote
    (in article <t1qcso$12gq$1@gioia.aioe.org>):

    I forget the details, but an older (e.g '09) doc opened
    in more recent Pages version saves it as that newer version, and can't
    then be re-opened in '09. Or something like that...)

    The option to Export the file in Pages '09 format is still there in all newer versions.

    MST

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  • From Martin S Taylor@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Tue Apr 5 11:06:30 2022
    On Mar 19, 2022, Graeme Wall wrote
    (in article <t143ql$e17$6@dont-email.me>):

    again.... I am taking a well deserved break now with a glass of chilled Chablis and the Irish rock night on BBC2 :-)

    Does it have Ceilidh written all the way through?

    :-)

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