• Re: Other than Login Items, where could an app which autostarts be hidi

    From jeremy@21:1/5 to Chris Ridd on Tue Jan 18 16:02:24 2022
    On 17 Jan 2022 at 22:09:44 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

    On 17/01/2022 14:34, jeremy wrote:
    And here's an oddity I found just now

    cd /Library
    cd /library

    Both commands result in being positioned in the same directory

    Yes, that's expected on most Macs as most Macs use case-insensitive filesystems. You can create case-sensitive filesystems, but a lot of
    badly written software breaks if you use case-sensitive filesystems.

    Ok thanks for the info - useful to know.
    --
    jeremy

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  • From STALKING_TARGET_17@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 18 10:03:43 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:30:28 AM UTC-7, STALKING_TARGET_17 wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:34:50 AM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:
    On 17 Jan 2022 at 14:20:19 GMT, "jeremy" <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 12 Jan 2022 at 23:47:49 GMT, "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <0001HW.278F99B100...@news.individual.net>,
    Ian McCall <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

    Specifically, Roland Cloud Manager. It¹s not in my login items, but starts
    every time I restart the Mac. Which, annoyingly, is increasingly quite a lot.

    Where could the app be if it¹s not appearing in LogIn Items?

    look at the following:

    /library/launchdaemons
    /library/launchagents
    ~/library/launchagents

    Does simply deleting the lines from these files for apps in which we are no
    longer interested then prevent them loading automatically - I mean is it safe
    to simply delete the "offending" lines?
    Oops - I mean deleting the files from the directories )not lines from files)

    And here's an oddity I found just now

    cd /Library
    cd /library

    Both commands result in being positioned in the same directory

    But if I change dir to the root then I see only this

    Library $ cd /
    / $ ls -l
    total 10
    drwxrwxr-x 36 root admin 1152 17 Jan 13:31 Applications
    drwxr-xr-x 68 root wheel 2176 4 Nov 13:36 Library
    drwxr-xr-x@ 9 root wheel 288 18 Oct 04:30 System
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root admin 192 18 Oct 04:30 Users
    drwxr-xr-x 7 root wheel 224 17 Jan 14:13 Volumes
    drwxr-xr-x@ 38 root wheel 1216 18 Oct 04:30 bin
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 64 29 Feb 2020 cores
    dr-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 4661 16 Nov 19:43 dev
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 etc -> private/etc
    lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 25 16 Nov 19:44 home -> /System/Volumes/Data/home drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 96 7 Apr 2020 opt
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 192 18 Oct 04:30 private
    drwxr-xr-x@ 65 root wheel 2080 18 Oct 04:30 sbin
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 tmp -> private/tmp
    drwxr-xr-x@ 11 root wheel 352 18 Oct 04:30 usr
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 var -> private/var

    hmm... so then I tried this

    ~ $ cd /LIbrary
    LIbrary $

    I thought macos was case-sensitive (as I have found with unix / linux generally) - is there a setting somewhere that enables directory and file names to be accessed case-insensitively?

    ... more eperimentation...

    ~ $ mkdir fred
    ~ $ cd FRED
    FRED $



    --
    jeremy
    That's what Michael Glasser AKA Snit does when he gets cornered. He of course creates a sock, starts a stupid thread so he can claim it was
    Vallor. Don't blame me it was my left hand... and then he responds to
    it with his right hand.

    You can say I am Charlie Brown for all I care. The majority of people
    in this group do application development either as recreation or as a vocation, so I think it unlikely Vallor thinks of automation to be "sorcery".
    Thanks to Michael Glasser AKA Snit and his 'convenient friends' you now
    need a recognized list. If others start responding to him again I will
    feel compelled to... as I hate him too much to not. I am referring to
    our clique here, not drive by loons, who are his shills.

    If Michael Glasser AKA Snit calls being busted like an idiot day in
    and day out by Vallor and me successful 'trolling', then yeah... he is
    a great troll. I don't subscribe to that meaning, I use another term.
    I call that person a perfect bozo. Honestly, what lie?

    -
    Best CMS Solution of 2017 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Steve+Petruzzellis+the+narcissistic+bigot
    Dustin Cook is a functional illiterate fraud


    Just look at your attempts and look at Snit (a real advocate)'s, there is nothing for anyone to learn from a fool like F. Russell. But hey, let him
    keep making an ass of himself. I am sure one of his stooges will come to
    the rescue. Don't look now, but I think F. Russell has a serious obsession with Snit (a real advocate). Do not get too full of hot air, F. Russell, sometimes "advocates" are just that.

    --
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    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dustin+cook+the+functionally+illiterate+fraud
    Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud

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  • From Gremlin the Functionally Illiterate@21:1/5 to Gremlin the Functionally Illiterate on Tue Jan 18 14:04:03 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:30:28 AM UTC-7, Gremlin the Functionally Illiterate Fraud wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:34:50 AM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:
    On 17 Jan 2022 at 14:20:19 GMT, "jeremy" <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 12 Jan 2022 at 23:47:49 GMT, "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <0001HW.278F99B100...@news.individual.net>,
    Ian McCall <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

    Specifically, Roland Cloud Manager. It¹s not in my login items, but starts
    every time I restart the Mac. Which, annoyingly, is increasingly quite a lot.

    Where could the app be if it¹s not appearing in LogIn Items?

    look at the following:

    /library/launchdaemons
    /library/launchagents
    ~/library/launchagents

    Does simply deleting the lines from these files for apps in which we are no
    longer interested then prevent them loading automatically - I mean is it safe
    to simply delete the "offending" lines?
    Oops - I mean deleting the files from the directories )not lines from files)

    And here's an oddity I found just now

    cd /Library
    cd /library

    Both commands result in being positioned in the same directory

    But if I change dir to the root then I see only this

    Library $ cd /
    / $ ls -l
    total 10
    drwxrwxr-x 36 root admin 1152 17 Jan 13:31 Applications
    drwxr-xr-x 68 root wheel 2176 4 Nov 13:36 Library
    drwxr-xr-x@ 9 root wheel 288 18 Oct 04:30 System
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root admin 192 18 Oct 04:30 Users
    drwxr-xr-x 7 root wheel 224 17 Jan 14:13 Volumes
    drwxr-xr-x@ 38 root wheel 1216 18 Oct 04:30 bin
    drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 64 29 Feb 2020 cores
    dr-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 4661 16 Nov 19:43 dev
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 etc -> private/etc
    lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 25 16 Nov 19:44 home -> /System/Volumes/Data/home drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 96 7 Apr 2020 opt
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 192 18 Oct 04:30 private
    drwxr-xr-x@ 65 root wheel 2080 18 Oct 04:30 sbin
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 tmp -> private/tmp
    drwxr-xr-x@ 11 root wheel 352 18 Oct 04:30 usr
    lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root wheel 11 18 Oct 04:30 var -> private/var

    hmm... so then I tried this

    ~ $ cd /LIbrary
    LIbrary $

    I thought macos was case-sensitive (as I have found with unix / linux generally) - is there a setting somewhere that enables directory and file names to be accessed case-insensitively?

    ... more eperimentation...

    ~ $ mkdir fred
    ~ $ cd FRED
    FRED $



    --
    jeremy
    That's what Michael Glasser AKA Snit does when he gets cornered. He of course creates a sock, starts a stupid thread so he can claim it was
    Vallor. Don't blame me it was my left hand... and then he responds to
    it with his right hand.

    You can say I am Charlie Brown for all I care. The majority of people
    in this group do application development either as recreation or as a vocation, so I think it unlikely Vallor thinks of automation to be "sorcery".
    Thanks to Michael Glasser AKA Snit and his 'convenient friends' you now
    need a recognized list. If others start responding to him again I will
    feel compelled to... as I hate him too much to not. I am referring to
    our clique here, not drive by loons, who are his shills.

    If Michael Glasser AKA Snit calls being busted like an idiot day in
    and day out by Vallor and me successful 'trolling', then yeah... he is
    a great troll. I don't subscribe to that meaning, I use another term.
    I call that person a perfect bozo. Honestly, what lie?

    -
    Best CMS Solution of 2017 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Steve+Petruzzellis+the+narcissistic+bigot
    Dustin Cook is a functional illiterate fraud


    The only way that I could overlook NNTP protocol's constant need for fixing because of driver dilemmas or buggy design flaws is if I enjoyed the steady supply of delusion its ads have been pushing since 2011.

    At one point, Snit sock Sockboy said a usenet denizen was "obsessing"
    over him, which was defined as responding to any name he uses. In Snit
    sock Sockboy's case, I, and a whole list of "others", had pointed to things Snit sock Sockboy said and did, he rejected the idea. What Snit sock Sockboy couldn't deny was people complaining about them, which is how he ended
    up with his list, of course. But when the charts were produced, it turns
    out beyond any doubt, Snit sock Sockboy was far more "dishonest" than
    Carroll. The Clam engine had a false positive hit, and the GUI Klamav
    reported what the kernel which isn't created by the same folks or company reported it.

    Not only did Carroll's request fail to mention the "NNTP protocol", it
    has NOTHING to do with Linux. Snit sock Sockboy should go lock the medicine chest.

    -
    Curious how these posts are made? Email: mr@sandman.net

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  • From Gremlin the Functionally Illiterate@21:1/5 to Jeremy on Tue Jan 18 15:55:58 2022
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 9:02:27 AM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:
    On 17 Jan 2022 at 22:09:44 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chri...@mac.com> wrote:

    On 17/01/2022 14:34, jeremy wrote:
    And here's an oddity I found just now

    cd /Library
    cd /library

    Both commands result in being positioned in the same directory

    Yes, that's expected on most Macs as most Macs use case-insensitive filesystems. You can create case-sensitive filesystems, but a lot of
    badly written software breaks if you use case-sensitive filesystems.
    Ok thanks for the info - useful to know.
    --
    jeremy


    Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll

    Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll turned 60 years old back on August
    29, 2018 and yet is still single, broke and yet with his skills he has nothing to show for it but flooding Usenet. He blames Peeler for his loss of his
    wife and girlfriend and his begging of older women to sleep with him <http://web.archive.org/web/20140820220648/http://www.seniorpeoplemeet.com/v3/externalsearch/singles?Profile=1AE1BDAAFC6D6F08ACA0C235BB8ED21D&Username=STEVECARROL>.
    Steven is jealous of what Peeler has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 20 years he has failed at even
    this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

    Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.

    Some examples where Steven has been booted

    X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity
    http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4

    Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity
    http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l

    FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn

    AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman

    Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE

    Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Peeler

    Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after
    I complained. Seems he lost that too.

    His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her


    Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
    https://goo.gl/DMno6J

    Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied
    he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is
    the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-
    e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820

    He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0

    The business still failed.

    He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.

    https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879

    This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Peeler.

    Steven Petruzzellis was divorced on June 22 , 2012 at the Golden Municipal Court House because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

    Peeler is married and by all appearances happily so.
    He never complains about his wife in COLA.

    Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

    Peeler does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house
    and a yard.

    Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan
    his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse.
    He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone
    who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

    Peeler has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public.

    No reason to think they are not a happy family.

    Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands
    of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven
    has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date.

    Peeler has his own business doing technical work and also teaches.
    Peeler offers a true contribution to society.
    Teachers are truly under appreciated.

    -
    Puppy Videos https://www.bing.com/search?q=steve%20carroll%20narcissistic%20bigot https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/108-Warrior-Dr-Kingsport-TN-37663/42459578_zpid/
    Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Carroll

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  • From STALKING_TARGET_18@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 18 22:20:50 2022
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:55:59 PM UTC-7, STALKING_TARGET_18 wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 9:02:27 AM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:
    On 17 Jan 2022 at 22:09:44 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chri...@mac.com> wrote:

    On 17/01/2022 14:34, jeremy wrote:
    And here's an oddity I found just now

    cd /Library
    cd /library

    Both commands result in being positioned in the same directory

    Yes, that's expected on most Macs as most Macs use case-insensitive filesystems. You can create case-sensitive filesystems, but a lot of badly written software breaks if you use case-sensitive filesystems.
    Ok thanks for the info - useful to know.
    --
    jeremy
    Facts about Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll

    Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll turned 60 years old back on August
    29, 2018 and yet is still single, broke and yet with his skills he has nothing
    to show for it but flooding Usenet. He blames Peeler for his loss of his
    wife and girlfriend and his begging of older women to sleep with him <http://web.archive.org/web/20140820220648/http://www.seniorpeoplemeet.com/v3/externalsearch/singles?Profile=1AE1BDAAFC6D6F08ACA0C235BB8ED21D&Username=STEVECARROL>.
    Steven is jealous of what Peeler has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 20 years he has failed at even
    this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

    Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.

    Some examples where Steven has been booted

    X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4

    Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity
    http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l

    FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement http://devsite.eu.pn

    AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman

    Imgur took down an image for breaking terms of service http://imgur.com/yv2XppE

    Had a GigaNews account which was removed for harassing Peeler

    Stopped posting from his fretwizzen Google account since shortly after
    I complained. Seems he lost that too.

    His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her


    Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that has ever been available http://web.archive.org/web/20161019062351/http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net/
    https://goo.gl/DMno6J

    Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied
    he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is
    the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul http://web.archive.org/web/20161202192456/http://www.reservationdiary.eu/eng/reservation/d76d1156-
    e9f7-43c1-b77b-b07189857820

    He also bragged he was working on an update and showed it here https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0

    The business still failed.

    He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress
    installed.

    https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879

    This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Peeler.

    Steven Petruzzellis was divorced on June 22 , 2012 at the Golden Municipal Court House because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

    Peeler is married and by all appearances happily so.
    He never complains about his wife in COLA.

    Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

    Peeler does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house
    and a yard.

    Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse.
    He says at least one of them likely hacked his computer and is a "mentally deficient child." He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone
    who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

    Peeler has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public.

    No reason to think they are not a happy family.

    Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands
    of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven
    has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date.

    Peeler has his own business doing technical work and also teaches.
    Peeler offers a true contribution to society.
    Teachers are truly under appreciated.

    -
    Puppy Videos https://www.bing.com/search?q=steve%20carroll%20narcissistic%20bigot https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/108-Warrior-Dr-Kingsport-TN-37663/42459578_zpid/
    Steve 'Narcissistic Bigot' Carroll


    Ryan Sullivan lies so often that he has a difficult time keeping track
    of his stories. Or his shills of course. At times, a make believe world
    is more valuable than reality. Over and over, the claim is he wants to
    "talk tech", but the guy spends most of his time whining about "obsession".
    Any inconsolable obsessive sleep deprived whacko could easily do the same.

    --
    What Every Entrepreneur Must Know https://www.google.com/search?q=Steve+Petruzzellis%3A+narcissistic+bigot
    Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

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