Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
For the record I suggested L post this here, I can vouch that it's not spam :-)
(although I've not tried the app myself)
Theo
On 15 May 2024 at 10:03:15 BST, "L" <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Yay! Good work. Shall check it out forthwith.
Cheers - Jaimie
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone
and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any
usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore:
https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee, especially as I’m reasonably happy with NewsTap which I bought with a one-off payment. However newsygroup looks promising and I’ll certainly check it out in the next week or so. If it can be tested to perform better on Silicon Macs then all the better :-)
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone
and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any
usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore: https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
(and Thunderbird
on MacOS).
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone
and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any
usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore:
https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee, especially as I’m reasonably happy with NewsTap which I bought with a one-off payment.
However newsygroup looks promising and I’ll certainly check it out in the next week or so. If it can be tested to perform better on Silicon Macs then all the better :-)
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee, especially as >> I’m reasonably happy with NewsTap which I bought with a one-off payment. >> However newsygroup looks promising and I’ll certainly check it out in the >> next week or so. If it can be *tested* to perform better on Silicon Macs then
all the better :-)
Yeah, that was my initial reaction too. I also use NewsTap (and Thunderbird on MacOS). For the use I now get out of Newsgroups, another subscription
fee is hard to justify. We’re being battered too much with subscriptions now, IMHO. It can also be frustrating if software is broken by IAP limitations, so just be wary there not to alienate potential users in an
ever diminishing marketplace.
I was also a bit put off by your wording regarding not needing to use a
tree view anymore. I happen to like the tree view, and find it’s still one of the easiest ways to visualise a discussion thread. It’s actually one of the key reasons I paid for NewsTap.
As much as I appreciate any developer putting effort into niche software
markets. I’d maybe suggest that some things aren’t broken, and don’t necessarily need fixing :-).
However, I’ll certainly keep an eye on this app, and always be willing to consider it. It needs to be better than something I already own though.
Thank, and keep going.
BTW, how can you tell it's a subscription? I can see in-app purchases on Apple
Store, but not any detail about what those might be.
Alan B wrote:
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
BTW, how can you tell it's a subscription? I can see in-app purchases on Apple
Store, but not any detail about what those might be.
I clicked on “In-App Purchases” and it revealed:
Newsy Plus Subscription (1 month) £0.99
Perhaps Arnold can clarify please?
--
Cheers, Alan
Confirmed
The subscription fee is £0.99 a month
And there’s 1 month free trial
However, most of the main functions are free to use. You don’t need a subscription to use for example:
adding any newsgroup server you like, reading and replying post etc
Not too happy about having to pay a monthly subscription fee
Andy H <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yeah, that was my initial reaction too. I also use NewsTap (and Thunderbird >> on MacOS). For the use I now get out of Newsgroups, another subscription
fee is hard to justify. We’re being battered too much with subscriptions >> now, IMHO. It can also be frustrating if software is broken by IAP
limitations, so just be wary there not to alienate potential users in an
ever diminishing marketplace.
I guess it’s a way of providing a steady income for developers rather than relying on sometimes sporadic one-off purchases?
Alan B wrote:
I was also a bit put off by your wording regarding not needing to use a
tree view anymore. I happen to like the tree view, and find it’s still one
of the easiest ways to visualise a discussion thread. It’s actually one of
the key reasons I paid for NewsTap.
Yes +1 on tree views.
As much as I appreciate any developer putting effort into niche software >>> markets. I’d maybe suggest that some things aren’t broken, and don’t >>> necessarily need fixing :-).
However, I’ll certainly keep an eye on this app, and always be willing to >>> consider it. It needs to be better than something I already own though.
Thank, and keep going.
Indeed.
--
Cheers, Alan
I used to use one off paying model for the app. However I found it’s not quite sustainable. This app was released over 10 years ago (for some
reasons I limited to HK AppStore though), one-off payment couldn’t quite support long term enhancements and developments for many years.
I like tree view too!
Although Newsygroup show replies like social media app, it actually
maintain tree view by using the little arrow (
https://postimg.cc/DSpKCYcJ ). You may see who’s replying who by look at those arrow. In case if you really like traditional reader style,
Newsygroup also has ‘Classic mode’. ( https://postimg.cc/TL6Gm59C )
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3, Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable
for individual developer like me.
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little
updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable
for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for
50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little >>> updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable >>> for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade >> pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's
effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you >> have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for
50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with >> a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice
things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
There must be a way.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little >> updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable >> for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for 50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with
a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
There must be a way.
Gentlemen Coders are offering a discount on the new Nitro for existing
owners of Raw Power. So being able to discount for upgrades should be possible.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3,
Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little >>> updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable >>> for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade >> pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's
effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you >> have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for
50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with >> a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice
things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
There must be a way.
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant?
I just thought the limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer screen
width in older days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers can do the line wrap probably when displaying a post?
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I got your point.
Let me do some research on how to improve tree view hierarchy for Newsygroup >>
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant?
I just thought the limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer
screen width in older days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers
can do the line wrap probably when displaying a post?
Here's how your post above looks to me:
https://ibb.co/0JJWmZC
It's being wrapped, but not word wrapped. And the full line length is too wide to read comfortably. I'm reading using tin in a terminal (or tmux) where other tabs do use the full width, so I don't want to spawn a separate window just to set it to a comfortable reading width.
Most people post at 80 cols (or thereabouts) and that is readable whatever
my window is doing.
I do take the point though that 80 cols is often too *wide* when reading on
a phone - I sometimes use the same tin via SSH from my phone and it results in some very small text. I think for that the client has to do something clever on the displaying side - eg unpick the quoting (as you currently do) and reformat the text within the quoted block, perhaps with some options
that adjust how you do that.
But if you're doing that, there's no problem to post in 80 col view and let others' clients handle it the way their users configure them.
In other words, 80 cols is the standard and the tools are designed to handle that.
Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 16 May 2024 at 21:19:21 BST, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com>It’s sound really complicated and very confusing to the users
wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
I don’t want to create a new app called Newsygroup 2, Newsygroup 3, >>>>> Newsygroup 4 on App Store to force user buy it again for just some little >>>>> updates. Like I mentioned above, subscription model is more sustainable >>>>> for individual developer like me.
Sounds like it's down to a flaw of the App Store - you can't offer upgrade >>>> pricing. So you either go for the above approach where you launch what's >>>> effectively a different app and ask people to pay full price again, or you >>>> have subscriptions.
I'm sure if it was possible to offer an upgrade from version N to N+1 for >>>> 50% off the new price, it would be a way to support perpetual licensing with
a revenue stream for upgrades, but Apple Say No, so we can't have nice >>>> things.
(except perhaps in the EU, where third party stores must be allowed)
There must be a way.
You can make a bundle of New App and Old App, and apple will skip the
fee for the Old App if you already own it. It's not easy to show to
potential users though, and right now there's a dumb bug where 2x Old
App price gets subtracted which means the dev often will get nothing at
all.
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant? I just thought the
limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer screen width in older >>> days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers can do the line wrap
probably when displaying a post?
My Newsreader barfs on posting long lines so I must manually invoke the
rewrap function before I can quote them. It's a minor nuisance but it's
still annoying.
Yes, MacSOUP is an obsolescent Newsreader, but so are many 'readers on
this obsolescent service called Usenet. Many Usenet users are pretty
much obsolete too, and a good number of us are, like me, wedded to our
old 'readers.
"New" is not the same thing as "Better".
Andy H wrote:
Just one more thing, you need to sort out the line wrap length. See theI got your point.
quote marks above, yours has a single one for your entire paragraph,
normally it should wrap before 80 characters (I believe 76 is normal for
usenet standards).
Cheers.
--
Andy H
Let me do some research on how to improve tree view hierarchy for Newsygroup
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant?
I just thought the limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer screen width in older days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers can do the line wrap probably when displaying a post?
Yes, MacSOUP is an obsolescent Newsreader, but so are many 'readers on
this obsolescent service called Usenet. Many Usenet users are pretty
much obsolete too, and a good number of us are, like me, wedded to our
old 'readers.
80 characters was (still should be!) regarded as the maximum on a line
to maintain the best readability for the human mind. It's how the
average person scans across a page to read text, much less, or more,
than 80 characters and your eyes lose track of the flow of the text.
On 19 May 2024 at 06:13:30 BST, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
80 characters was (still should be!) regarded as the maximum on a line
to maintain the best readability for the human mind. It's how the
average person scans across a page to read text, much less, or more,
than 80 characters and your eyes lose track of the flow of the text.
No, AISB it's to do with punched cards from the 50s/60s/70s, which were 80 columns wide (and you can blame IBM for that). Back then, there were no layout
tools or text editors to speak of. Programs were stored on these cards.
On 19 May 2024 at 06:13:30 BST, "Andy H" <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote:
80 characters was (still should be!) regarded as the maximum on a line
to maintain the best readability for the human mind. It's how the
average person scans across a page to read text, much less, or more,
than 80 characters and your eyes lose track of the flow of the text.
No, AISB it's to do with punched cards from the 50s/60s/70s, which were 80 columns wide (and you can blame IBM for that). Back then, there were no layout
tools or text editors to speak of. Programs were stored on these cards.
When I was at CERN, there was a guy who used to roll up to the computer room with what looked like a tea-lady-trolly. And he had it stacked with four card trays on each shelf (bottom, middle, top). Each tray contained 2000 cards, for
a total of 24,000 punched cards. Luckily the card-reader could read those cards at 1200 per minute, so it only took him 20 minutes just to read his program into the computer.
We never could persuade him to alter his procedure (e.g, copy most of it to disk, or compile the parts that were not being changed and punch the binary out on cards (the binary would be much shorter than the source code), or anything else).
I think it could be a bit of chicken and egg! from what I've found,
quite clearly typesetting rules were around somewhat before punchcards
and computers (unless you count the Babbage machines perhaps).
I was a bit out with that, turns out readability is 45-75 characters, depending on the fonts, page sizes and so on.
However, a little nugget I found suggests that an electronic typesetting machine was made before the (computer, rather than mechanical machines) punchcards systems. It looks like they may even have evolved from it.
L <L@uk.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant? I just thought the limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer screen width in older days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers can do the line wrap probably when displaying a post?
My Newsreader barfs on posting long lines so I must manually invoke the rewrap function before I can quote them. It's a minor nuisance but it's still annoying.
Yes, MacSOUP is an obsolescent Newsreader, but so are many 'readers on
this obsolescent service called Usenet. Many Usenet users are pretty
much obsolete too, and a good number of us are, like me, wedded to our
old 'readers.
I got your point.
Let me do some research on how to improve tree view hierarchy for Newsygroup
Just curious, is 76 character limit still relevant?
I just thought the limitation was due to 80 characters long of computer screen width in older days. But nowadays I guess most of usenet readers
can do the line wrap probably when displaying a post?
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or
suggestions! Thanks!
L wrote:
Sorry for off topic
I made a newsgroup app for iPhone and iPad called Newsygroup
Newsygroup let you read and post to any newsgroup right on your iPhone
and iPad. It is a text-based newsgroup reader and can connect to any
usenet servers. (Supports authentication and SSL)
You may check it out on AppStore:
https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Or follow me on X
https://x.com/newsygroup
Just feel free to let me know if you have any comments or suggestions! Thanks!
--
Sent by Newsygroup
Newsgroup reader for iPhone
https://apps.apple.com/app/newsygroup/id6480019265
Struggling a bit either way this, I’m not finding it quite as intuitive
as L expects. Probably just me.
So I will persist - I have got this far!
But for the record, I too dislike the subscription model.
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