• AV recommendations from Macworld

    From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 20:58:59 2023
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    *Mac Antivirus Deals*: *Cheap antivirus software to protect your Mac*

    By Karen Haslam
    Editor, Macworld MAY 5, 2023 5:32 AM PDT

    Looking for cheap antivirus software to protect you from the latest
    threats to your data and identity? These are the best antivirus deals:-

    https://www.macworld.com/article/673359/antivirus-deals.html

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    David

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 06:46:39 2023
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    Am 05.05.23 um 21:58 schrieb David Brooks:
    *Mac Antivirus Deals*: *Cheap antivirus software to protect your Mac*

    By Karen Haslam
    Editor, Macworld MAY 5, 2023 5:32 AM PDT

    Looking for cheap antivirus software to protect you from the latest
    threats to your data and identity? These are the best antivirus deals:-

    https://www.macworld.com/article/673359/antivirus-deals.html

    Bullshit, Dave!
    How often do I have to tell you that Mac-users do not need "snake oil"?
    Learn to configure your Mac correctly and use Brain 2.0.

    Macworld gets a lot of money for these lies.

    X-posting not eliminated this time

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sat May 6 09:14:22 2023
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    On 06/05/2023 05:46, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 05.05.23 um 21:58 schrieb David Brooks:
    *Mac Antivirus Deals*: *Cheap antivirus software to protect your Mac*

    By Karen Haslam
    Editor, Macworld MAY 5, 2023 5:32 AM PDT

    Looking for cheap antivirus software to protect you from the latest
    threats to your data and identity? These are the best antivirus deals:-

    https://www.macworld.com/article/673359/antivirus-deals.html

    Bullshit, Dave!
    How often do I have to tell you that Mac-users do not need "snake oil"?
    Learn to configure your Mac correctly and use Brain 2.0.

    Macworld gets a lot of money for these lies.

    X-posting not eliminated this time

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever
    of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    It scored TOP MARKS as described here:-

    https://www.clamxav.com/clamxav-scores-top-marks-again/

    Odd.

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    David

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to DavidB@nomail.afraid.org on Sat May 6 06:54:42 2023
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    In article <y%n5M.62268$qjm2.4639@fx09.iad>, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Macworld gets a lot of money for these lies.

    X-posting not eliminated this time

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever
    of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a
    large advertisement.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat May 6 10:02:46 2023
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    On May 6, 2023, nospam wrote
    (in article<060520230654429018%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    In article<y%n5M.62268$qjm2.4639@fx09.iad>, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Macworld gets a lot of money for these lies.

    X-posting not eliminated this time

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever
    of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    now there’s a surprise... or maybe not.


    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a
    large advertisement.

    Exactly. The idiot keeps on finding new ways to show just how stupid he is.

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  • From Joel@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Sat May 6 10:33:06 2023
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    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On May 6, 2023, nospam wrote
    (in article<060520230654429018%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
    In article<y%n5M.62268$qjm2.4639@fx09.iad>, David Brooks
    <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever
    of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a
    large advertisement.

    Exactly. The idiot keeps on finding new ways to show just how stupid he is.


    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.
    I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make
    a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    --
    Joel Crump

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 17:13:54 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 06.05.23 um 16:33 schrieb Joel:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On May 6, 2023, nospam wrote
    (in article<060520230654429018%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
    In article<y%n5M.62268$qjm2.4639@fx09.iad>, David Brooks
    <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever >>>> of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a
    large advertisement.

    Exactly. The idiot keeps on finding new ways to show just how stupid he is.


    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.
    I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make
    a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    This is utter bullshit.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 17:31:24 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 06.05.23 um 17:20 schrieb Joel:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.
    I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make
    a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    This is utter bullshit.


    Nope, it isn't. There is malware for macOS. I personally wouldn't
    find it necessary, to have the kind of defense that Windows requires,
    with macOS, but that doesn't mean another person will feel the same.

    Try to find out what malware is, how it works and which vectors are
    crtical for an "infection". Security of computer systems has nothing to
    do with "feelings".

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joel@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sat May 6 11:20:28 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.
    I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make
    a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    This is utter bullshit.


    Nope, it isn't. There is malware for macOS. I personally wouldn't
    find it necessary, to have the kind of defense that Windows requires,
    with macOS, but that doesn't mean another person will feel the same.

    --
    Joel Crump

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to joelcrump@gmail.com on Sat May 6 11:37:08 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <98pc5ippjbv8458odf37t1sdgb3rkqv2kq@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever >> > of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a
    large advertisement.

    Exactly. The idiot keeps on finding new ways to show just how stupid he is.


    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.

    linux isn't as secure as you might think.

    in a recent report from elastic security labs, linux had the most
    malware (~54%), almost ten times as much as mac os (6%), and narrowing
    it to recent data, linux had 47% with mac os at 1%.

    <https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window s-and-linux/>
    As for the distribution of malware found, roughly 54% of all
    instances were found on Linux endpoints, with ~39% happening on
    Windows systems when looking at all of Elastic¹s data. And just 6%
    of the malware detections were found on Macs.

    However, when looking at just the most recent data, 52% of malware
    was found on Windows, 47% on Linux, and just a tiny 1% being found on
    macOS.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 17:56:19 2023
    Am 06.05.23 um 17:37 schrieb nospam:
    In article <98pc5ippjbv8458odf37t1sdgb3rkqv2kq@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

    The point I was REALLY making was that there was no mention whatsoever >>>>> of THE *best* snake-oil -----> www.clamxav.com

    Why not?!!!

    because he didn't pay to be listed in the article, which is basically a >>>> large advertisement.

    Exactly. The idiot keeps on finding new ways to show just how stupid he is. >>

    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux.

    linux isn't as secure as you might think.

    in a recent report from elastic security labs, linux had the most
    malware (~54%), almost ten times as much as mac os (6%), and narrowing
    it to recent data, linux had 47% with mac os at 1%.

    Totally irrelevant. You compare apples with pears ... litterally.

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  • From Joel@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sat May 6 13:56:31 2023
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    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux. >>>> I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make >>>> a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    This is utter bullshit.

    Nope, it isn't. There is malware for macOS. I personally wouldn't
    find it necessary, to have the kind of defense that Windows requires,
    with macOS, but that doesn't mean another person will feel the same.

    Try to find out what malware is, how it works and which vectors are
    crtical for an "infection". Security of computer systems has nothing to
    do with "feelings".


    So, you have zero argument to make. Thanks for wasting my time,
    birdbrained nerd.

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    Joel Crump

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  • From Joel@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat May 6 13:59:42 2023
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    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window >s-and-linux/


    That link supports *my* assertion.

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    Joel Crump

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to joelcrump@gmail.com on Sat May 6 14:15:51 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <ub5d5itohp9pvnc67gkjhuq549hjjbohse@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window >s-and-linux/


    That link supports *my* assertion.

    you claimed that linux is safe. that link says the opposite.

    it also says that mac malware is negligible, which means there is no
    need to routinely use mac antimalware utilities, which as i stated
    elsewhere, incurs its own risks.

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  • From FromTheRafters@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 14:37:53 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Joerg Lorenz submitted this idea :
    Am 06.05.23 um 17:20 schrieb Joel:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    Say what you will, but I don't think it's *entirely* pointless, to
    think about antimalware for a Mac. Personally, I would trust the OS
    without it, but it's not as if it's really *quite* as secure as Linux. >>>> I mean, with Windows, you don't even have a choice, if you don't
    install antimalware software, the OS has its own, but that's because
    it's Windows, it's crazy to run it unprotected, but one can still make >>>> a conscious choice, with another OS, to run antimalware software.

    This is utter bullshit.


    Nope, it isn't. There is malware for macOS. I personally wouldn't
    find it necessary, to have the kind of defense that Windows requires,
    with macOS, but that doesn't mean another person will feel the same.

    Try to find out what malware is, how it works and which vectors are
    crtical for an "infection".

    What is an infection?

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 20:53:00 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    Am 06.05.23 um 20:15 schrieb nospam:
    In article <ub5d5itohp9pvnc67gkjhuq549hjjbohse@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window
    s-and-linux/


    That link supports *my* assertion.

    you claimed that linux is safe. that link says the opposite.

    it also says that mac malware is negligible, which means there is no
    need to routinely use mac antimalware utilities, which as i stated
    elsewhere, incurs its own risks.

    This link does not say anything. The article behind the link is
    worthless "disinformation" distorting the reality.

    If it says anything at all it is the fact that no OS is perfectly
    secure. Not more.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat May 6 18:57:08 2023
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    On May 6, 2023 at 11:15:51 AM MST, "nospam" wrote <060520231415511580%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

    In article <ub5d5itohp9pvnc67gkjhuq549hjjbohse@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window
    s-and-linux/


    That link supports *my* assertion.

    you claimed that linux is safe. that link says the opposite.

    it also says that mac malware is negligible, which means there is no
    need to routinely use mac antimalware utilities, which as i stated
    elsewhere, incurs its own risks.

    Yet many people do... with no issue and higher confidence.


    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com on Sat May 6 15:06:23 2023
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop

    In article <8qx5M.1672160$t5W7.168872@fx13.iad>, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

    it also says that mac malware is negligible, which means there is no
    need to routinely use mac antimalware utilities, which as i stated elsewhere, incurs its own risks.

    Yet many people do...

    for no valid reason

    with no issue and higher confidence.

    false confidence, which is worse.

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  • From Joel@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat May 6 15:22:32 2023
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    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/27/malware-threat-report-mac-risk-vs-window
    s-and-linux/

    That link supports *my* assertion.

    you claimed that linux is safe. that link says the opposite.


    It's talking about malware found on Linux servers, which has nothing
    to do with personal computing, unlike the admittedly small amount
    found on personal Mac computers. I'm not suggesting that a Mac really
    needs antimalware software, but it's not as if it's really that
    simple, given the market for Macs, compared to that of desktop Linux.


    it also says that mac malware is negligible, which means there is no
    need to routinely use mac antimalware utilities, which as i stated
    elsewhere, incurs its own risks.


    I tend to agree with you on that.

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    Joel Crump

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