• Are they all like this?

    From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 20:43:39 2023
    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, to change the email address associated with my Amazon account. You enter a new addeess, so it
    sends you a One Time Password that you then enter to confirm the new email address. Simple enough to copy/paste that from the email into the spot where they ask for it. Simple enough and you'd think they'd then say Job Done, but no, you get another screen where they seem to ask you for your password.

    I say seem because they don't say which password or why they want it just there, given that one has just entered the OTP. So I went into Safari
    Passwords and copied the Amazon login password, and pasted that into the
    field. It didn't like it, and said there was a problem because the new email address was the same as the old. After six goes like that I got fed up and bullied their chat-bot into connecting me to a Yooman, who took me through the same process. This time it worked, but only because instead of pasting the password, I *typed* it in.

    I thinl it's a problem having the login username be your email address.

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    Tim

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  • From Alan B@21:1/5 to TimS on Tue Mar 28 20:51:29 2023
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, to change the email
    address associated with my Amazon account. You enter a new addeess, so it sends you a One Time Password that you then enter to confirm the new email address. Simple enough to copy/paste that from the email into the spot where they ask for it. Simple enough and you'd think they'd then say Job Done, but no, you get another screen where they seem to ask you for your password.

    I say seem because they don't say which password or why they want it just there, given that one has just entered the OTP. So I went into Safari Passwords and copied the Amazon login password, and pasted that into the field. It didn't like it, and said there was a problem because the new email address was the same as the old. After six goes like that I got fed up and bullied their chat-bot into connecting me to a Yooman, who took me through the
    same process. This time it worked, but only because instead of pasting the password, I *typed* it in.

    I thinl it's a problem having the login username be your email address.

    I reckon I would create a new account and then close the current one. But
    is closing an account just as difficult as changing the email address. Potential nightmare!

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    Cheers, Alan

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 20:54:22 2023
    On 28 Mar 2023 at 21:51:29 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, to change the email
    address associated with my Amazon account. You enter a new addeess, so it
    sends you a One Time Password that you then enter to confirm the new email >> address. Simple enough to copy/paste that from the email into the spot where >> they ask for it. Simple enough and you'd think they'd then say Job Done, but >> no, you get another screen where they seem to ask you for your password.

    I say seem because they don't say which password or why they want it just
    there, given that one has just entered the OTP. So I went into Safari
    Passwords and copied the Amazon login password, and pasted that into the
    field. It didn't like it, and said there was a problem because the new email >> address was the same as the old. After six goes like that I got fed up and >> bullied their chat-bot into connecting me to a Yooman, who took me through the
    same process. This time it worked, but only because instead of pasting the >> password, I *typed* it in.

    I thinl it's a problem having the login username be your email address.

    I reckon I would create a new account and then close the current one. But
    is closing an account just as difficult as changing the email address. Potential nightmare!

    I wondered about that. But then one loses all the purchase history, which can be quite useful. And the issue was almost identical with my login to EDF,
    which also uses the email address as the username. But again I typed the password this time, no sweat.

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    Tim

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to TimS on Sun Apr 2 13:03:42 2023
    On 28/03/2023 21:54, TimS wrote:
    On 28 Mar 2023 at 21:51:29 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    I wondered about that. But then one loses all the purchase history, which can be quite useful. And the issue was almost identical with my login to EDF, which also uses the email address as the username.

    Have fun trying to bully the EDF chatbot into connecting you
    to a real person. I tried 4 times over 4 days and gave up.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to TimS on Mon Apr 3 13:53:47 2023
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, to change the email
    address associated with my Amazon account. You enter a new addeess, so it sends you a One Time Password that you then enter to confirm the new email address. Simple enough to copy/paste that from the email into the spot where they ask for it. Simple enough and you'd think they'd then say Job Done, but no, you get another screen where they seem to ask you for your password.

    I say seem because they don't say which password or why they want it just there, given that one has just entered the OTP. So I went into Safari Passwords and copied the Amazon login password, and pasted that into the field. It didn't like it, and said there was a problem because the new email address was the same as the old. After six goes like that I got fed up and bullied their chat-bot into connecting me to a Yooman, who took me through the
    same process. This time it worked, but only because instead of pasting the password, I *typed* it in.

    I thinl it's a problem having the login username be your email address.

    That's probably it.
    Some sites don't allow you to paste in passwords,

    Jan

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  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Apr 3 18:18:13 2023
    On 03/04/2023 12:53, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, to change the email
    address associated with my Amazon account. You enter a new addeess, so it
    sends you a One Time Password that you then enter to confirm the new email >> address. Simple enough to copy/paste that from the email into the spot where >> they ask for it. Simple enough and you'd think they'd then say Job Done, but >> no, you get another screen where they seem to ask you for your password.

    I say seem because they don't say which password or why they want it just
    there, given that one has just entered the OTP. So I went into Safari
    Passwords and copied the Amazon login password, and pasted that into the
    field. It didn't like it, and said there was a problem because the new email >> address was the same as the old. After six goes like that I got fed up and >> bullied their chat-bot into connecting me to a Yooman, who took me through the
    same process. This time it worked, but only because instead of pasting the >> password, I *typed* it in.

    I thinl it's a problem having the login username be your email address.

    That's probably it.
    Some sites don't allow you to paste in passwords,

    Indeed, for some sense of "extra security". Twats. These are the same
    banks (!!) that store your password in plaintext.

    The passkey future looks pretty interesting. It is mostly just WebAuthn
    which already exists, but there are some options for them to include the
    user ID as well as credentials.

    Passkeys are also multi-platform; you can produce a Google passkey from
    an Apple passkey, and vice-versa. You've then got two keys and not one,
    which is a bit sub-optimal, but still better than using passwords.

    Not many sites support them yet :-(

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    Chris

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  • From Sara Merriman@21:1/5 to Another John on Tue Apr 4 17:47:39 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023 at 18:33:52 BST, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    In article <k8h1rrFck6jU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, ....

    How, on earth, dod you get to speak to a human at Amazon?

    I recently wanted to do this because they decided that they had not
    received a returned purchase, and abruptly told me (3 months afterI'd returned it) that they hadn't received it, so they were taking back my refund.

    I ended up having to talk to their Chatbot (which they assured me was
    dead intelligent), with no result whatever (and it didn't understand my problem at all).

    Couldn't find a phone number ANYWHERE on that vast, vast expanse of
    internet. Gave up, crying.

    John

    I've managed in the past by typing "person" into the chatbot thing.
    --
    Billy is silly

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to TimS on Tue Apr 4 18:33:52 2023
    In article <k8h1rrFck6jU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, ....

    How, on earth, dod you get to speak to a human at Amazon?

    I recently wanted to do this because they decided that they had not
    received a returned purchase, and abruptly told me (3 months afterI'd
    returned it) that they hadn't received it, so they were taking back my
    refund.

    I ended up having to talk to their Chatbot (which they assured me was
    dead intelligent), with no result whatever (and it didn't understand my
    problem at all).

    Couldn't find a phone number ANYWHERE on that vast, vast expanse of
    internet. Gave up, crying.

    John

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to Sara Merriman on Tue Apr 4 19:27:59 2023
    In article <%oZWL.4542345$SIb3.3688976@fx05.ams4>,
    Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    I've managed in the past by typing "person" into the chatbot thing.

    Ooh - brilliant! I'll try that next time :-D

    I didn't get chance to say (I was called away for tea, on pain of
    receiving a black look), in my message above, that a few weeks after
    this incident, my £26.99 reappeared in my credit card account: my
    "stolen" (as I felt at the time) refund was re-refunded.

    So maybe the chatbot managed to grasp the problem and maybe he/she/it
    refunded the money, or maybe she/he/it sent to a human saying: "deal
    with this would you?"

    But if it did, it never so much as hinted at that, to me.

    J.

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  • From TimS@21:1/5 to Another John on Tue Apr 4 20:16:22 2023
    On 04 Apr 2023 at 18:33:52 BST, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    In article <k8h1rrFck6jU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, ....

    How, on earth, dod you get to speak to a human at Amazon?

    Didn't speak to one, he took over from the chatbot.

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    Tim

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 21:40:09 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023 at 19:27:59 BST, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    In article <%oZWL.4542345$SIb3.3688976@fx05.ams4>,
    Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    I've managed in the past by typing "person" into the chatbot thing.

    Ooh - brilliant! I'll try that next time :-D

    I was in an Apple shop today, and mentioned I'd been given a way to get
    through their phone chatbot to a human. The assistant gave me a second
    trick, so I share them both here:

    If you want to speak to someone *at the Apple store you've called*
    rather than the general support team, when the voice robot asks you what
    you want, say
    "I'm returning a phone call"
    When it asks if it's about a repair, say "yes". This should connect you
    to a human, either genius bar or repair room.

    The second trick was even more obvious in retrospect, and applies if you
    just want a general support human quicker than sweet-talking the chatbot
    into it. When you get to speak, "I want to speak to a manager". Saves
    about 90 seconds of twiddling around. Also, since it's a chatbot you
    don't have to worry about seeming like one of *those* people.

    May also work for Amazon phone screen bots, I have no idea though.

    Cheers - Jaimie

    --
    People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't
    -- Bjarne Stroustrup

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to Another John on Wed Apr 5 11:01:42 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023 at 18:33:52 BST, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

    In article <k8h1rrFck6jU1@mid.individual.net>,
    TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

    Took me about six goes, plus help from a Yooman at Amazon, ....

    How, on earth, dod you get to speak to a human at Amazon?

    I recently wanted to do this because they decided that they had not
    received a returned purchase, and abruptly told me (3 months afterI'd returned it) that they hadn't received it, so they were taking back my refund.

    I ended up having to talk to their Chatbot (which they assured me was
    dead intelligent), with no result whatever (and it didn't understand my problem at all).

    Couldn't find a phone number ANYWHERE on that vast, vast expanse of
    internet. Gave up, crying.

    John

    I can't say about Amazon specifically, but I've had need to sidestep the bot
    on several occasions recently with various sites and I've found that "I would like to speak to an agent" works for me.

    John.
    --
    God made the integers; all else is the work of man.

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  • From David Kennedy@21:1/5 to John Hill on Wed Apr 5 15:30:53 2023
    On 05/04/2023 12:01, John Hill wrote:

    I can't say about Amazon specifically, but I've had need to sidestep the bot on several occasions recently with various sites and I've found that "I would like to speak to an agent" works for me.

    John.


    Humph!

    I've just gone through the rigmarole with the robots on the HMRC "customer
    help line" three times following which they said "thank you for your call, goodbye"

    Still, it's raining out so what else would I have done...

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