Davey schrieb am 01.03.2021 um 14:08:
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron 15
5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which is
Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They suggested a workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in the same
league. If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10, is it
possible to shrink it so that most of the system can then be filled
with Ubuntu, but leaving the Windows system still functioning? I
did this with a Win. 7 PC, but I know that Win. 10 is a lot more 'sophisticated'.
Thanks for any help.
I am currently looking for a Linux laptop as well, I think I will go
for one of these:
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/15-16-inch/TUXEDO-Book-Pulse-15-Gen1.tuxedo#
https://configurelaptop.eu/
https://kde.slimbook.es/
--thomas.
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:09:19 +0100
Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> wrote:
Davey schrieb am 01.03.2021 um 14:08:
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron 15
5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which is
Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They suggested a
workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in the same
league. If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10, is it
possible to shrink it so that most of the system can then be filled
with Ubuntu, but leaving the Windows system still functioning? I
did this with a Win. 7 PC, but I know that Win. 10 is a lot more
'sophisticated'.
Thanks for any help.
I am currently looking for a Linux laptop as well, I think I will go
for one of these:
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/15-16-inch/TUXEDO-Book-Pulse-15-Gen1.tuxedo#
https://configurelaptop.eu/
https://kde.slimbook.es/
--thomas.
So what happened?
On 2021-04-04, Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:09:19 +0100
Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> wrote:
Davey schrieb am 01.03.2021 um 14:08:
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron
15 5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which
is Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They
suggested a workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in
the same league. If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10,
is it possible to shrink it so that most of the system can then
be filled with Ubuntu, but leaving the Windows system still
functioning? I did this with a Win. 7 PC, but I know that Win.
10 is a lot more 'sophisticated'.
Having done it at least twice, the answer is yes. Windows 10 has a
partition shrinking utility. Use that. Then install on the freed
space.
Thanks for any help.
I am currently looking for a Linux laptop as well, I think I will
go for one of these:
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/15-16-inch/TUXEDO-Book-Pulse-15-Gen1.tuxedo#
https://configurelaptop.eu/
https://kde.slimbook.es/
--thomas.
So what happened?
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron 15
5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which is
Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They suggested a workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in the same league.
If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10, is it possible to shrink
it so that most of the system can then be filled with Ubuntu, but
leaving the Windows system still functioning? I did this with a Win. 7
PC, but I know that Win. 10 is a lot more 'sophisticated'.
Thanks for any help.
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:08:06 +0000
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron 15
5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which is
Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They suggested a
workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in the same league.
If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10, is it possible to shrink
it so that most of the system can then be filled with Ubuntu, but
leaving the Windows system still functioning? I did this with a Win. 7
PC, but I know that Win. 10 is a lot more 'sophisticated'.
Thanks for any help.
I had narrowed my search down to:
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for £660, but made in China.
Dell New Inspiron 15 5000, for £711, made in USA.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for £764, made in UK?.
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the point of having a laptop.
On 07/04/2021 10:30, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:08:06 +0000
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
I am looking for a new laptop, and came across the Dell Inspiron 15
5000. Although a link leads to the various OSs, amongst which is
Ubuntu, they don't actually offer it on that model. They suggested
a workstation, but that is over £3000, which is not in the same
league. If I chose the 15 5000 with built-in Win. 10, is it
possible to shrink it so that most of the system can then be
filled with Ubuntu, but leaving the Windows system still
functioning? I did this with a Win. 7 PC, but I know that Win. 10
is a lot more 'sophisticated'.
Thanks for any help.
I had narrowed my search down to:
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for £660, but made in China.
Dell New Inspiron 15 5000, for £711, made in USA.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for £764, made in UK?.
All parts made in China, assembled in whereever. There is a movement
to show traceability of manufacture, but that is possibly for them
with high security concerns above everything else.
Made in US? HPE Trusted Supply Chain Server Teardown Where is it
Really Made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAF5prb9Hh0
---
PC Specialist are configuring laptops made by Clevo. A Taiwan ODM.
A review.
The CRAZY laptop manufacturer you've never heard of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJRkSCf3dms
Consumer oriented, for game playing & multimedia creation (well, that
one)
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have
an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the
point of having a laptop.
The Inspiron range is consumer oriented, it will have wireless over Ethernet. Use an external ethernet adaptor, or a USB Docking Station solution.
Business laptops like the HP will have ethernet, a better build
quality for getting moved about, battery life, a real service manual
and available parts etc...
Maybe I'll go back and look at the HP again...although the PC
Specialist one is good value, except I'm not sure about the integral
battery. A dual setup is another £50. When the integral battery fails,
do you have to send the whole thing back home to get it replaced? now
we are over £800.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:24:18 +0100
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
Politically, I would prefer Taiwan over China!
PC Specialist are configuring laptops made by Clevo. A Taiwan ODM.
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have
an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the
point of having a laptop.
The Inspiron range is consumer oriented, it will have wireless over
Ethernet. Use an external ethernet adaptor, or a USB Docking Station
solution.
Too much choice!
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:24:18 +0100....
Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
On 07/04/2021 10:30, Davey wrote:
What router? You are not going to carry a router with you are you? AndI can do without wireless on the PC, as long as the router has it.i
And
I don't want a docking station, for over £200, instead of an RJ-45
port, and the USB-LAN dongle looks large and ungainly.
Specialist one is good value, except I'm not sure about the integral
battery. A dual setup is another £50. When the integral battery fails,
do you have to send the whole thing back home to get it replaced? now
we are over £800.
I had narrowed my search down to:
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for £660, but made in China.
Dell New Inspiron 15 5000, for £711, made in USA.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for £764, made in UK?.
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the point of having a laptop.
On 2021-04-07, Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
....
I had narrowed my search down to:
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for £660, but made in China.
Dell New Inspiron 15 5000, for £711, made in USA.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for £764, made in UK?.
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have
an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the
point of having a laptop.
Well, no. You need a dongle anyway for an RF45 port-- it is called a
Cat 5/6 ethernet cable. IF you are going to use a wired connection
you had better carry a cable with you, or you are going to discover
that many places (hotels, etc) that have ethernet ports as well as
wireless, do NOT have cables for you (they tend to walk away with the guests). So it is not clear to me why you would regard this as a
severe impediment.
On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:22:25 -0000 (UTC)
William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2021-04-07, Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
....
I had narrowed my search down to:
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for £660, but made in China.
Dell New Inspiron 15 5000, for £711, made in USA.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for £764, made in UK?.
Then I saw that the Dell, the favourite of the three, does not have
an integral RJ-45 port, you need a dongle, which rather ruins the
point of having a laptop.
Well, no. You need a dongle anyway for an RF45 port-- it is called a
Cat 5/6 ethernet cable. IF you are going to use a wired connection
you had better carry a cable with you, or you are going to discover
that many places (hotels, etc) that have ethernet ports as well as
wireless, do NOT have cables for you (they tend to walk away with the
guests). So it is not clear to me why you would regard this as a
severe impediment.
The vast majority of the time, my PC acts just like a desktop, and is connected via the modem/router to my Humax, my printer, and the CCTV
PC. I use wireless as little as possible, preferring a cable
connection. When I travel, it is usually to one specific place near
London, and then I use a wireless dongle. Since the pandemic started,
that has not happened.
The location where my PC sits does not provide room for the Dell
dongle. Yes, I could re-arrange my study, but I don't want to, it works
for me fine the way it is.
So, just going to prove that it is dangerous to generalise, what may
be sensible advice for the majority of folks is not necessarily
relevant to all.
HP 255 G7, from CPC, for ?660, but made in China.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for ?764, made in UK?.
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for ?764, made in UK?.
As a tangent, I know someone with one of the PC Specialist's
Lafite Pro models, which is (afaik) a rebadged Clevo.
#Paul
The location where my PC sits does not provide room for the Dell
dongle. Yes, I could re-arrange my study, but I don't want to, it works
for me fine the way it is.
On 08 Apr 2021 16:06:32 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
The location where my PC sits does not provide room for the Dell
dongle. Yes, I could re-arrange my study, but I don't want to, it
works for me fine the way it is.
I don't know what dongle you're thinking of, but you're going to need
a cat5 cable anyway. So just keep something like one of these on the
end:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-AK-A7611011-USB-Ethernet-Network-Card-Adaptor/dp/B00PC0P2DI
(USB-C versions also available) and plug that into your laptop rather
than the RJ45.
If the couple of square inches of desk space is a concern, buy one
with a longer USB cable so you can hang it off the desk where the
cat5 presumably already hangs.
Theo
That one looks physically more suitable than the one offered by Dell,
but theirs has several other ports available at the same time. Swings
and roundabouts.
Thanks, another path to follow.
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
The location where my PC sits does not provide room for the Dell
dongle. Yes, I could re-arrange my study, but I don't want to, it
works for me fine the way it is.
I don't know what dongle you're thinking of, but you're going to need
a cat5 cable anyway. So just keep something like one of these on the
end: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-AK-A7611011-USB-Ethernet-Network-Card-Adaptor/dp/B00PC0P2DI
(USB-C versions also available) and plug that into your laptop rather
than the RJ45.
If the couple of square inches of desk space is a concern, buy one
with a longer USB cable so you can hang it off the desk where the
cat5 presumably already hangs.
Theo
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:22:43 +0100 #Paul wrote:
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for ?764, made in UK?.
As a tangent, I know someone with one of the PC Specialist's
Lafite Pro models, which is (afaik) a rebadged Clevo.
What does he/she think of it?
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:22:43 +0100 #Paul wrote:
PC Specialist Initia 15.6", for ?764, made in UK?.
As a tangent, I know someone with one of the PC Specialist's
Lafite Pro models, which is (afaik) a rebadged Clevo.
What does he/she think of it?
It's a very nice lightweight machine and the hardware wasn't
too exotic so a newish kernel was fine (it's on debian stretch
so needed an upgrade, but that's not too hard to do)
I'd very much like to recommend it, but have to mention
this...
It does have one fault, which is that the connector from the
battery to the mainboard slowly walks loose and needs re-seating;
I'm not clear why (thermal cycles during charge/discharge?). This
presented as what looked like a battery failure, and it wasn't
til a replacement battery was eventually sent out that the machine
got opened and the true problem was revealed. It's done it once
more since; I'm assuming it will happen again. I presume that
this is not common, and this particular machine is just unlucky.
with connector tolerances or somesuch.
I guess it could be sent back for repair but that would mean no
laptop for a non-trivial time; and if you do not mind opening the
thing then the fix is simple enough. (The battery is not quite
glued in, iirc, it is mounted on adhesive strips; we never got
as far as testing how easy it was to remove/swap)
#Paul
That one looks physically more suitable than the one offered by Dell,
but theirs has several other ports available at the same time. Swings
and roundabouts.
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
That one looks physically more suitable than the one offered by
Dell, but theirs has several other ports available at the same
time. Swings and roundabouts.
Another route is a 'docking station' which connects to ethernet,
monitor, charger, audio, storage, keyboard, whatever you want. You
mount the docking station somewhere out of the way (eg on a shelf or
behind the monitor) and plug in a single cable into the laptop.
That keeps all the cable mess off the desk and means the laptop only
has a single wire going to it. If you need to take the laptop away,
just unplug it. When you come back you just need to plug in that
single wire.
Docking stations are available in USB and Thunderbolt versions (the
latter more performant if your machine supports Thunderbolt).
Theo
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