• Re: Slightly OTT : Riello UPS

    From Vincent Coen@21:1/5 to Martin Gregorie on Fri Feb 18 18:53:37 2022
    Hello Martin!

    Friday February 18 2022 18:06, Martin Gregorie wrote to All:

    Hopefully, some of you are using Riello UPS and, even more hopefully,
    a few will be using the small Riello Sentinel Pro 700

    I've had one since September 2014 and am v. pleased with it. However,
    it decided that its batteries had died a couple of weeks ago, so I
    ordered some replacements from the dealer I got the UPS from (VPS, who
    I've been buying Yuasa batteries from for many years).

    Batteries turned up OK, but then I discovered that the Riello manual
    says nothing about replacing the batteries. When run, they said that
    was deliberate because safety for numpties who try to swap batteries
    while the UPS is still running,and remained very close-lipped whe
    pressed for more details. I eventually got more info from them, but
    still can't get into the blasted UPS, which at that point had been off
    for over an hour to led caps discharge, etc. I removed the likely
    screws, but was defeated by some along each side of the botton which don'tmatch any screwdriver I own.

    So, has anybody successfully replaced the batteries in one of these
    Riello UPS? If so, can you describe how you did it? Almost anything
    would help, including just knowing what sort of screwdriver is needed
    for the black screws along the sides at the bottom of the cover black
    metal cover.


    Without knowing this brand but do know APC try this :

    1. Disconnect the UPS from mains and equipment under load/s.
    2. Raise unit off floor at first the front say on a block of wood (4x2
    etc).
    3. Check from panel and see if the bottom edge is in-dented in any way and
    if so lift up from the centre - APC lifts up - but be careful as it panel
    is connected by cable from display board or panel inside unit continue to
    raise and fold over the top you should now see the battery connectors and battery.

    No ?

    Place wood to the rear and check for screws, tab, clips etc that will
    release the back panel and soo if 3 will work.

    If you get into the unit - remove connector cables one at a time
    leaving any metal element away from the case and any component.
    Once done carefully slide battery pack out (on APC there is a wide strip of heavy duty DUCK type tape stick to the underside of the battery pack so you
    can pull it out using it.

    Before installing the new one make up similar with DUCK tape using the same orientation of the battery as the original.
    Push in again so it is in the same orientation with the RED terminal on
    the same side of the unit, push in enough that you can now connected the terminals to the battery but MAKE SURE that RED go to RED and BLACK to
    BLACK - these colours might be different such as BROWN for RED (i.e., as according to UK cable colour coding - but as it is from Italy don't bank on
    it :).

    Hope the above helps - I have changed a few of them over the years on 1000
    - 3000 Kva - Note the bigger one's have multi packs of batteries link from
    the front to the next inline - again make sure you connect the same way as
    the originals - Take a photo of the battery pack still connected to the
    cables so you can refer to it if needed.

    Biggest pain is lifting the unit up on to a wood block to access the bottom edge's.

    Yes I did take a look at the manual - which is not helpful but my battery supplier in Enfield supplies a neat little instruction sheet for each brand
    of UPS they cover by brand and model if needed and the APC brand even
    include a CD for the s/w fireware updating but there again it is easy to
    get online. This is mostly for updating the dates held in the unit
    firmware along with any parameters you might want to change.

    No so sure your one does all that !

    Vincent

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  • From Vincent Coen@21:1/5 to Martin Gregorie on Fri Feb 18 19:30:15 2022
    Hello Martin!

    Friday February 18 2022 18:06, Martin Gregorie wrote to All:

    Hopefully, some of you are using Riello UPS and, even more hopefully,
    a few will be using the small Riello Sentinel Pro 700

    I've had one since September 2014 and am v. pleased with it. However,
    it decided that its batteries had died a couple of weeks ago, so I
    ordered some replacements from the dealer I got the UPS from (VPS, who
    I've been buying Yuasa batteries from for many years).

    Batteries turned up OK, but then I discovered that the Riello manual
    says nothing about replacing the batteries. When run, they said that
    was deliberate because safety for numpties who try to swap batteries
    while the UPS is still running,and remained very close-lipped whe
    pressed for more details. I eventually got more info from them, but
    still can't get into the blasted UPS, which at that point had been off
    for over an hour to led caps discharge, etc. I removed the likely
    screws, but was defeated by some along each side of the botton which don'tmatch any screwdriver I own.

    So, has anybody successfully replaced the batteries in one of these
    Riello UPS? If so, can you describe how you did it? Almost anything
    would help, including just knowing what sort of screwdriver is needed
    for the black screws along the sides at the bottom of the cover black
    metal cover.


    Forgot to mention under the front panel is often a metal panel held in
    place by two large screws so you will need a medium philips type screw
    driver and behind that is the battery these screws may not come out all the
    way as might have a washer to prevent it - just open until the panel is released and that then can come out but it more than likely has a mounted
    pair of hinge plates at the bottom which you have to release - hence the
    reason for placing some 4 x 2 block of wood under the UPS first.

    Vincent

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  • From Vincent Coen@21:1/5 to Martin Gregorie on Sat Feb 19 20:20:53 2022
    <gRd*DIaHy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> <suqp2t$r1q$2@dont-email.me>
    Hello Martin!

    Saturday February 19 2022 12:50, Martin Gregorie wrote to All:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 22:49:26 +0000, Theo wrote:

    In comp.sys.raspberry-pi Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid>
    wrote:
    So, has anybody successfully replaced the batteries in one of these
    Riello UPS? If so, can you describe how you did it? Almost anything
    would help, including just knowing what sort of screwdriver is
    needed for the black screws along the sides at the bottom of the
    cover black metal cover.

    Post a picture?

    Posted.

    https://www.libelle-systems.com/free/comment/riello_ups/

    ... and scroll down a bit: thje top two pics are mainly for the
    benefit of Tristan because I thought he might like to see what the
    small Riello UPS and its connections look like.


    Do not use the wrong screw driver but get a set of torx heads - you will
    damage the heads and not be able to reuse them. These sets are peanuts say
    on Ebay or even Amazon.

    As you are not near by (Hatfield) I can not offer a set to you.

    I was interested to see that it uses Alarm panel type batteries - now that
    is a first. They are not designed for high output in any way just for
    circuit board and bell etc and they are good (normally) for 5 - 7 years
    subject to usage. Note that alarm systems use very low power for the
    panel, board and the alarm sounder/bell which has its own battery of 7Ah or higher as the wallet can cope with. 7 is good for well over 20 minutes
    which in the UK is the maximum a bell can sound for before a reset.

    There again I have never bought a 700va UPS as my systems would not last
    but only 10-15 minutes at a guess, and I like at least one hour, just in
    case I am out.

    Mine are marked as GP 1212F2 - 12V 12 Ah and very heavy, you can see it at:


    http://www.applewoodbbs.linkpc.net/files/UPS-Battery/

    Let me know once seen etc so I can delete them.


    Vincent

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  • From Martin Gregorie@21:1/5 to Vincent Coen on Sun Feb 20 01:30:18 2022
    On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:20:53 +0000, Vincent Coen wrote:

    Mine are marked as GP 1212F2 - 12V 12 Ah and very heavy, you can see it
    at:


    http://www.applewoodbbs.linkpc.net/files/UPS-Battery/

    Let me know once seen etc so I can delete them.


    I've never seen that brand before.

    I've been using Yuasa for over 30 years - starters for gloplug engines, powering instrument panels in gliders, so naturally I was pleased to see
    that Riello, or rather VPS, who supplied the replacements, like Yuasa
    too.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Martin Gregorie on Sun Feb 20 09:00:39 2022
    Martin Gregorie wrote:

    I've never seen that brand before.

    Every APC UPS I've seen has been fitted with CSB brand from the factory.

    I've used Yuasa in the past, but now tend to use Tayna, mine takes 4 of these (cheaper to buy in pairs, use double-sided-tape and swap the fuses and anderson connector over)

    <https://www.tayna.co.uk/ups-batteries/powerline/pu220/>

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Vincent Coen on Sun Feb 20 13:36:09 2022
    Vincent Coen wrote:

    I was interested to see that it uses Alarm panel type batteries - now that
    is a first. They are not designed for high output in any way just for circuit board and bell etc

    Here is a battery I had to fight to remove from a UPS

    <http://adslpipe.co.uk/photos/APC_UPS_battery.jpg>

    As you say, some (like this N7-12) are better suited for alarm panels, rather than UPSes (such as NP7-12)

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  • From Vincent Coen@21:1/5 to Martin Gregorie on Sun Feb 20 14:25:42 2022
    Hello Martin!

    Sunday February 20 2022 01:30, Martin Gregorie wrote to All:

    <1645302053@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn>
    On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:20:53 +0000, Vincent Coen wrote:

    Mine are marked as GP 1212F2 - 12V 12 Ah and very heavy, you can see
    it
    at:


    http://www.applewoodbbs.linkpc.net/files/UPS-Battery/

    Let me know once seen etc so I can delete them.


    I've never seen that brand before.

    I've been using Yuasa for over 30 years - starters for gloplug
    engines, powering instrument panels in gliders, so naturally I was
    pleased to see that Riello, or rather VPS, who supplied the
    replacements, like Yuasa too.

    The brand is not so important - it's the type of battery and clearly for
    the higher capacity UPS's i.e., above 700Va.

    The 500 - 750 sizes are light units in both size and weight hence usage of Alarm type batteries which are a lower duty cycle , i.e., 7ah while 1000Va start at 12Vh and go up including using batteries of 48 volts as against 24
    and they ARE heavy.

    It is all down to how much time you want the UPS to support your computer systems. I like around 1 to 1.5 hours and using a modular PSU with 80+% efficiency helps that and of course minimising the number of HDD's running
    also helps where SSD's are very light usage (I think) - covering back side
    here :)

    Using SSD's for Linux / *nix platforms is another story as you must obtain one's with good built in controllers and Crucial is NOT one of them based
    on my experience but ok for a windows based system.
    I stick to Samsung 850,950,960 etc and M.2 type if possible for max write speeds but must admit most of mine are Sata 3's except on the media
    computer (records TV programs etc) but the programs are stored on a HDD.


    Vincent

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Feb 24 21:25:18 2022
    On 20/02/2022 09:00, Andy Burns wrote:
    Martin Gregorie wrote:

    I've never seen that brand before.

    Every APC UPS I've seen has been fitted with CSB brand from the factory.

    I've used Yuasa in the past, but now tend to use Tayna, mine takes 4 of
    these (cheaper to buy in pairs, use double-sided-tape and swap the fuses
    and anderson connector over)

    <https://www.tayna.co.uk/ups-batteries/powerline/pu220/>

    This memorable blog entry was posted in 2009, an interesting read on
    someone replacing their APC UPS batteries, and wondering about the floor loading ...

    Terry's Random Ramblings
    https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=12

    It's one of those technical blogs that I read some time ago, enjoyed and
    hoped it was still around. It is :)

    --
    Adrian C

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