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    From Davey@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 2 01:21:12 2016
    I have a Wireless connection from my router to a repeater outside in
    the garage. Each of these has a stick antenna, maybe 4 inches or so
    long, on a ball joint.
    What is the correct orientation for these sticks? Should they both
    point straight upwards, should they point at each other, away from each
    other, parallel to each other, or what? Neither device's 'manual' gives
    any clue, and the connection occasionally fails, so I'm trying to get
    the best setup.

    Thanks for help.

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    Davey.

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  • From Jim@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 18:08:21 2017
    On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 01:21:12 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    I have a Wireless connection from my router to a repeater outside in
    the garage. Each of these has a stick antenna, maybe 4 inches or so
    long, on a ball joint.
    What is the correct orientation for these sticks? Should they both
    point straight upwards, should they point at each other, away from each >other, parallel to each other, or what? Neither device's 'manual' gives
    any clue, and the connection occasionally fails, so I'm trying to get
    the best setup.

    A vertical antenna with no additional elements has no directional
    properties. Assuming there is only one stick on each unit. the best
    you can do is experiment. Orient the sticks vertically
    at both the router and the access points vertically and try
    that, then try horizontal then 45° and so on.

    'Each of these has _a_ stick antenna' contradicts 'should _they_
    both_ point ...'.

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    I survived Hitler and Thatcher both.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Jim on Wed Jan 11 00:20:49 2017
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:08:21 +0000
    Jim <Cheemag@hotmail.com> wrote:

    A vertical antenna with no additional elements has no directional properties. Assuming there is only one stick on each unit. the best
    you can do is experiment. Orient the sticks vertically
    at both the router and the access points vertically and try
    that, then try horizontal then 45° and so on.

    'Each of these has _a_ stick antenna' contradicts 'should _they_
    both_ point ...'.

    Why?

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    Davy.

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  • From Rob Morley@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Jan 11 02:36:00 2017
    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:20:49 +0000
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:08:21 +0000
    Jim <Cheemag@hotmail.com> wrote:

    A vertical antenna with no additional elements has no directional properties. Assuming there is only one stick on each unit. the best
    you can do is experiment. Orient the sticks vertically
    at both the router and the access points vertically and try
    that, then try horizontal then 45° and so on.

    'Each of these has _a_ stick antenna' contradicts 'should _they_
    both_ point ...'.

    Why?

    I can see why he thinks that, and also why I think he's mistaken, but
    I'm not sure how to explain it in grammatical terms. "They" appears to
    be referring to "a stick antenna" but it's actually referring to the
    antennae of both devices ("these").

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Rob Morley on Wed Jan 11 11:45:24 2017
    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 02:36:00 +0000
    Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:20:49 +0000
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:08:21 +0000
    Jim <Cheemag@hotmail.com> wrote:

    A vertical antenna with no additional elements has no
    directional properties. Assuming there is only one stick on each
    unit. the best you can do is experiment. Orient the sticks
    vertically at both the router and the access points vertically
    and try that, then try horizontal then 45° and so on.

    'Each of these has _a_ stick antenna' contradicts 'should _they_
    both_ point ...'.

    Why?

    I can see why he thinks that, and also why I think he's mistaken, but
    I'm not sure how to explain it in grammatical terms. "They" appears
    to be referring to "a stick antenna" but it's actually referring to
    the antennae of both devices ("these").


    Exactly. 'They' refers to the pair of them. I hate the common use of
    'they' when used immediately after a singular reference, but this is
    not one of them.

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    Davey.

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  • From Rob Morley@21:1/5 to Davey on Thu Jan 12 04:42:58 2017
    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:45:24 +0000
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 02:36:00 +0000
    Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:20:49 +0000
    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    I can see why he thinks that, and also why I think he's mistaken,
    but I'm not sure how to explain it in grammatical terms. "They"
    appears to be referring to "a stick antenna" but it's actually
    referring to the antennae of both devices ("these").


    Exactly. 'They' refers to the pair of them. I hate the common use of
    'they' when used immediately after a singular reference, but this is
    not one of them.

    As for the angle of dangle, parallel isn't quite there. Imagine a
    straight line joining the two antennae, then set them parallel to each
    other and perpendicular to that line.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Rob Morley on Thu Jan 12 11:00:22 2017
    On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 04:42:58 +0000
    Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:


    As for the angle of dangle, parallel isn't quite there. Imagine a
    straight line joining the two antennae, then set them parallel to each
    other and perpendicular to that line.

    OK, I see what you mean, they could be parallel but offset. And since
    the question was posed, one of them has been replaced with a higher-gain antenna, which is flat; this increased the reliability substantially.
    Another improvement was made by trying different channels, and finding
    one that is more reliable than the one previously in use.

    Thanks for thoughts.

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    Davey.

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