I am about to move and my 'phone/broadband was transferred to the new
house this morning ('phone works but no DSL yet).
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so the
engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
This seems a backwards step from the NTE5?
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I am about to move and my 'phone/broadband was transferred to the new
house this morning ('phone works but no DSL yet).
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so the
engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
Do you mean an RJ11 (American phone) socket, not an RJ45 (ethernet)?
Is it an NTE, or just a plain RJ11 connected to the outside wires?
The latter is somewhat surprising given there's some surge protection (and a ring capacitor) in a typical master socket.
Or you mean you have an NTE but with a 'DSL only' faceplate, rather than a twin-socket DSL+phone faceplate (or a phone-only one)?
This seems a backwards step from the NTE5?
By 2025 PSTN voice will be turned off, so you'll have no need for a phone socket anyway. In the meantime you could swap the NTE faceplate for one of your choice.
Some ISPs are already switching to VOIP and disabling PSTN voice. If you're going to use the phone socket extensions you might want to look at voice re-injection, which needs a different faceplate on the NTE.
(or rewire the extensions differently, given the place is empty)
Theo
Theo wrote:
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I am about to move and my 'phone/broadband was transferred to the
new house this morning ('phone works but no DSL yet).
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so
the engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
Do you mean an RJ11 (American phone) socket, not an RJ45
(ethernet)?
ADSL/VDSL sockets are actually RJ45 connectors (aka 8P8C) not RJ11
Never seen a DSL-only faceplate without phone socket, didn't think
that would exist until POTS turn off arrived, what service have you
ordered Jeff? Are you expecting a new router from your ISP?
I am about to move and my 'phone/broadband was transferred to the new
house this morning ('phone works but no DSL yet).
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so the
engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
This seems a backwards step from the NTE5?
Andy Burns wrote:
ADSL/VDSL sockets are actually RJ45 connectors (aka 8P8C) not RJ11
ADSl/VDSL can also be used with RJ11-plugs, this is common in some situations.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
Just to fill the gaps the service I have ordered in unlimited fibre >>including 'phone line rental from Plusnet and the box that has been
fitted is an Openreach Master Socket 5C.
So what you should have on the front is a normal BT 631A socket (actually >that's probably only the name of the plug) not an RJ45.
as seen on the left
<https://www.exbtengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Telephone-Master-Socket-1080x611.jpg>
What you're missing is a service specific faceplate, as shown on the right.
Should I have been supplied with one or is that down to me?
Just to fill the gaps the service I have ordered in unlimited fibre including 'phone line rental from Plusnet and the box that has been fitted is an Openreach
Master Socket 5C.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
Should I have been supplied with one or is that down to me?
You'd have hoped that an order to "walk" a phone line with FTTC would
include a faceplate, but a splitter ought to work just as well, if more
prone to damage, I've always managed to acquire one when needed
Marco Moock wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
ADSL/VDSL sockets are actually RJ45 connectors (aka 8P8C) not RJ11
ADSl/VDSL can also be used with RJ11-plugs, this is common in some situations.
Yes xDSL plugs are RJ11, but BT xDSL *sockets* are actually RJ45-width, if you're not in the UK, I wouldn't expect you to know that ...
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so the
engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
On 04/01/2022 in message <xn0nch2s67gw3t3009@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:
The wall box has only one RJ45 socket, nothing for the 'phone so the >engineer fitted a "filter" - what I would call a splitter.
Sorry, a correction, I have tried disconnecting/connecting and the socket
is a standard 'phone socket NOT an RJ45, still only one though...
Sorry, a correction, I have tried disconnecting/connecting and the socket >>is a standard 'phone socket NOT an RJ45, still only one though...
In which case that's just a standard NTE5 I think, as fitted to every home >before DSL? You can buy the VDSL faceplate separately and swap it yourself >if you don't like the splitter, eg:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185016111525
Wow, they happily took the order and now say they can't provide it!
Hmm, that's a puzzler. So they're saying they can provide ADSL but not
VDSL
('fibre broadband' in ISP marketing, as opposed to FTTP which is 'full >fibre')?
I wonder if there's a lack of line plant somewhere? That is likely to be >problematic if Openreach can't provide, since neither can any ISP that use >them.
What does:
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
say? Any VDSL or FTTP offerings?
Are there any alternative providers available to you?
I'm not sure how to check all the FTTP altnets, beyond this list: >https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/04/summary-of-full-fibre-build-progress-across-uk-broadband-isps.html
It gets better, Plusnet have now told me: "Your order for house move for phone is completed, we have tried placing the fibre broad band order
however the same is not available in the exchange for now. if you are fine with the copper broad band services please let us know ."
Wow, they happily took the order and now say they can't provide it!
On 06/01/2022 in message <ABe*uTDDy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
wrote:
Wow, they happily took the order and now say they can't provide it!
Hmm, that's a puzzler. So they're saying they can provide ADSL but
not VDSL
('fibre broadband' in ISP marketing, as opposed to FTTP which is 'full
fibre')?
I think that's right,I can get copper broadband whatever that is called nowadays!
I wonder if there's a lack of line plant somewhere? That is likely to be >> problematic if Openreach can't provide, since neither can any ISP that
use
them.
What does:
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
say? Any VDSL or FTTP offerings?
Not very much, I am on cabinet 11 but it doesn't list what is available.
Are there any alternative providers available to you?
The Fritz checker says several are available, I followed the Vodaphone
one through to the point of placing an order and it offered FTTC, not
very quick but it is the back of beyond!
I'm not sure how to check all the FTTP altnets, beyond this list:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/04/summary-of-full-fibre-build-progress-across-uk-broadband-isps.html
I'm not after FTTP but I use a Roku box so was expecting FTTC.
Have you considered a 4g Router? You can get data sims from EE, O2, Three
or Vodafone?
In my area the fastest was EE at nearly 80 MB/s and the best value deals
seem to be Three weith an unlimited data SIm for 20 quid a momth.
It does of course rely on you living in a good reception area, there are >coverage maps available online for all 4 networks.
You may also find that installing an external aerial and connecting that
to teh router will give better results.
On 07/01/2022 in message <sr8rbf$1jo0$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
Have you considered a 4g Router? You can get data sims from EE, O2,
Three or Vodafone?
In my area the fastest was EE at nearly 80 MB/s and the best value
deals seem to be Three weith an unlimited data SIm for 20 quid a momth.
It does of course rely on you living in a good reception area, there
are coverage maps available online for all 4 networks.
You may also find that installing an external aerial and connecting
that to teh router will give better results.
That's a good point, I tethered my mobile while at the new place (iD
which I think uses EE) and was surprised at how good the connection was,
I get unlimited calls, unlimited texts and 16 GB data a month for £8,
worth thinking about.
Not sure what connecting an external aerial to the router would do?
Theo wrote:
Are there any alternative providers available to you?
The Fritz checker says several are available, I followed the Vodaphone one through to the point of placing an order and it offered FTTC, not very quick but
it is the back of beyond!
On 06/01/2022 in message <ABe*uTDDy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote: >What does:
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
say? Any VDSL or FTTP offerings?
Not very much, I am on cabinet 11 but it doesn't list what is available.
Are there any alternative providers available to you?
The Fritz checker says several are available, I followed the Vodaphone one through to the point of placing an order and it offered FTTC, not very
quick but it is the back of beyond!
I'm not sure how to check all the FTTP altnets, beyond this list: >https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/04/summary-of-full-fibre-build-progress-across-uk-broadband-isps.html
I'm not after FTTP but I use a Roku box so was expecting FTTC.
On 06/01/2022 in message <ABe*uTDDy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo >>wrote:
What does:
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL
say? Any VDSL or FTTP offerings?
Not very much, I am on cabinet 11 but it doesn't list what is available.
That's puzzling. Searching by address, on FTTC I get:
The Fritz checker says several are available, I followed the Vodaphone one >>through to the point of placing an order and it offered FTTC, not very >>quick but it is the back of beyond!
Which is the Fritz checker? Vodafone also operate via Cityfibre FTTP, but >I'm not sure of a third party FTTC offering that doesn't use Openreach.
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