I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a new graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming, and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply plug
in.
Unless I'm deceived, the existing graphics card is in the PCI Express x16 slot
(164 pin). (You may sense I'm out of my comfort zone with this sort of thing...)
I remember getting good advice from stalwarts in this group when I
configured
my current desktop - still completely meeting my needs after 9 years.
Until now. I've just bought an upgrade to some fancy architectural software**,
which now sneers at my graphics adapter and won't do the 3D views I want. (The
2020 version was fine.)
I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a
new
graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming,
and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially
use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply plug
in.
Here's the spec of my Dell Vostro 470:
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i7 3770 @ 3.40GHz 28 °C
Ivy Bridge 22nm Technology
RAM
18.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0NW73C (CPU 1)
Graphics
DELL (Monitor) ST2320L (1920x1080@60Hz)
1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (NVIDIA)
There's a crude photo of the motherboard here: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlXNpaNwJ1cugdElnbBSAlqqCEyaxw?e=EY61Xu
... and the spec is here: http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/dell-0nw73c-mainboard-specifications/
Unless I'm deceived, the existing graphics card is in the PCI Express x16 slot
(164 pin). (You may sense I'm out of my comfort zone with this sort of thing...)
**That software: Home Designer Architectural. Allows you to design, fit
and
decorate buildings on-screen, then place a camera, and fly through a 3D rendering. It's utterly marvellous!
"Philip Herlihy" <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.3c0a03e7fc458217989984@news.eternal-september.org...
I remember getting good advice from stalwarts in this group when I
configured
my current desktop - still completely meeting my needs after 9 years.
Until now. I've just bought an upgrade to some fancy architectural
software**,
which now sneers at my graphics adapter and won't do the 3D views I want.
(The
2020 version was fine.)
I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a
new
graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming,
and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially
use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel >> expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply >> plug
in.
Here's the spec of my Dell Vostro 470:
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i7 3770 @ 3.40GHz 28 °C
Ivy Bridge 22nm Technology
RAM
18.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0NW73C (CPU 1)
Graphics
DELL (Monitor) ST2320L (1920x1080@60Hz)
1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (NVIDIA)
There's a crude photo of the motherboard here:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlXNpaNwJ1cugdElnbBSAlqqCEyaxw?e=EY61Xu
... and the spec is here:
http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/dell-0nw73c-mainboard-specifications/
Unless I'm deceived, the existing graphics card is in the PCI Express x16
slot
(164 pin). (You may sense I'm out of my comfort zone with this sort of
thing...)
**That software: Home Designer Architectural. Allows you to design, fit
and
decorate buildings on-screen, then place a camera, and fly through a 3D
rendering. It's utterly marvellous!
The system requirements for Home Designer Architectural are here
- https://www.homedesignersoftware.com/products/system-requirements.html
PC Minimum1
Windows 10 / 11 64-bit
8 GB of RAM
Video Card2
2 GB of RAM
DirectX 123
5 GB of available hard disk space
Internet access4
PC Recommended
32 GB of RAM
512 GB SSD
PC
Desktops:
Intel i9 / AMD Ryzen 5000
8 GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX6800
Laptops:
Minimum 15" screen
Intel i7
8 GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
See what you can actually buy and come back and ask if it's any good.
(and be wary of used cards, because they may have been thrashed by miners)
PC Recommended
32 GB of RAM
512 GB SSD
PC
Desktops:
Intel i9 / AMD Ryzen 5000
8 GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX6800
Laptops:
Minimum 15" screen
Intel i7
8 GB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
1000 UKP+ of video card there - if you can find one. Quite a difference in requirements between minimum and recommended.
I remember getting good advice from stalwarts in this group when I configured my current desktop - still completely meeting my needs after 9 years.
Until now. I've just bought an upgrade to some fancy architectural software**,
which now sneers at my graphics adapter and won't do the 3D views I want. (The
2020 version was fine.)
I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a new graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming, and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply plug
in.
Here's the spec of my Dell Vostro 470:
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i7 3770 @ 3.40GHz 28 °C
Ivy Bridge 22nm Technology
RAM
18.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0NW73C (CPU 1)
Graphics
DELL (Monitor) ST2320L (1920x1080@60Hz)
1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (NVIDIA)
There's a crude photo of the motherboard here: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlXNpaNwJ1cugdElnbBSAlqqCEyaxw?e=EY61Xu
... and the spec is here: http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/dell-0nw73c-mainboard-specifications/
Unless I'm deceived, the existing graphics card is in the PCI Express x16 slot
(164 pin). (You may sense I'm out of my comfort zone with this sort of thing...)
**That software: Home Designer Architectural. Allows you to design, fit and decorate buildings on-screen, then place a camera, and fly through a 3D rendering. It's utterly marvellous!
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
I remember getting good advice from stalwarts in this group when I configured
my current desktop - still completely meeting my needs after 9 years.
Until now. I've just bought an upgrade to some fancy architectural software**,
which now sneers at my graphics adapter and won't do the 3D views I want. (The
2020 version was fine.)
I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a new
graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming, and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply plug
in.
I'd go for a 10 series if you can find any stock. A GTX 1050ti would be a very decent upgrade for you. On ebay you might be able to find a GTX 950 or 960 within your budget.
One thing to watch is the physical size of the card, you need to check if it'll fit in the case, and also the grunt of your power supply.
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...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
I remember getting good advice from stalwarts in this group when I configured
my current desktop - still completely meeting my needs after 9 years.
Until now. I've just bought an upgrade to some fancy architectural software**,
which now sneers at my graphics adapter and won't do the 3D views I want. (The
2020 version was fine.)
I guess I could ask for a refund, but maybe after 9 years I should get a new
graphics card? What would you recommend? I've zero interest in gaming, and I
can't think of what other ray-tracing applications I might potentially use, so
anything much more than the £74 I spent on the upgrade will start to feel >>> expensive. Any suggestions gratefully received for something I can simply plug
in.
I'd go for a 10 series if you can find any stock. A GTX 1050ti would be a
very decent upgrade for you. On ebay you might be able to find a GTX 950 or >> 960 within your budget.
One thing to watch is the physical size of the card, you need to check if
it'll fit in the case, and also the grunt of your power supply.
Thanks, Chris. I had zoomed-in on cards in that sort of range, and I'm glad to
hear that the 1050Ti would be a decent upgrade. (I've registered the need to look at profile, and power.) However, I'll only use it for this one application; I don't need great performance, as the rendering is only done every now and than and if it takes 25 seconds instead of 5 that really won't matter, and it goes against the grain to splash out on a machine that'll be junk in the foreseeable future (gee, thanks, Microsoft). So do you think a 1030
would do the job?
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks, Chris. I had zoomed-in on cards in that sort of range, and I'm glad to hear that the 1050Ti would be a decent upgrade. (I've
registered the need to look at profile, and power.) However, I'll only
use it for this one application; I don't need great performance, as the rendering is only done every now and than and if it takes 25 seconds instead of 5 that really won't matter, and it goes against the grain to splash out on a machine that'll be junk in the foreseeable future (gee, thanks, Microsoft). So do you think a 1030 would do the job?
I really don't know. nVidia normally have x60, x70, x80 spec cards within each series. Having an x50 is unusual and an x30 must be really cut down. I would avoid it, I think.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks, Chris. I had zoomed-in on cards in that sort of range, and I'm
glad to hear that the 1050Ti would be a decent upgrade. (I've
registered the need to look at profile, and power.) However, I'll only
use it for this one application; I don't need great performance, as the
rendering is only done every now and than and if it takes 25 seconds
instead of 5 that really won't matter, and it goes against the grain to
splash out on a machine that'll be junk in the foreseeable future (gee,
thanks, Microsoft). So do you think a 1030 would do the job?
I really don't know. nVidia normally have x60, x70, x80 spec cards within
each series. Having an x50 is unusual and an x30 must be really cut down. I >> would avoid it, I think.
Those sort of cards are basically for people who want to connect more monitors to their computer, rather than any rendering prowess. Here's the
10 series comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series
Note how the 1030 is 384 cores and 2GB RAM, while the specs rapidly go up from there (GTX1050 640/768 cores and 2-4GB RAM, GTX1070 1920 cores and 8GB RAM). And that series was released in *2016*, so is now 5 years old - they just recycle crippled older chips as 'budget' cards.
A 1030 should *work*, but expect 1 FPS in fancy games. Which perhaps won't matter if all you're doing is rendering some video overnight. It'll also be at the bottom end of the memory range so you might have to scale down
quality to reduce the amount of resources (textures etc) in memory.
I wonder if the OP could drop a Skylake or later graphics-equipped CPU in?
I rather generously gifted my GTX 780 graphics card to my nephew at the start of lockdown, leaving me with the on-chip graphics of my i3 6100 3.7 CPU. I haven't missed the 780 at all - but then I only play the occasional 20+ year old games on the PC (I've a PS4 for when I can be bothered). I did try Doom 2016 just to see - and it did actually run on low settings. Not pretty, but it
did run . . .
RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
I wonder if the OP could drop a Skylake or later graphics-equipped CPU in?
That would be new PC time. The motherboard won't support a newer CPU, so
you need a new mobo. Then Skylake won't support DDR3 so you need new RAM. Then I don't know if the Dell has one of those non-standard cases they like where the power supply is wired in a strange way and the PCI cards are in a different place, which might mean a new case and/or a new PSU.
That said, Ivy Bridge is pretty long in the tooth and it might not make
sense to throw money at an old PC. So if a newer one were to turn up on the used market it might not be a terrible idea.
I rather generously gifted my GTX 780 graphics card to my nephew at the start
of lockdown, leaving me with the on-chip graphics of my i3 6100 3.7 CPU. I haven't missed the 780 at all - but then I only play the occasional 20+ year
old games on the PC (I've a PS4 for when I can be bothered). I did try Doom 2016 just to see - and it did actually run on low settings. Not pretty, but it
did run . . .
I would expect even a GT 1030 to have better graphics performance than Intel integrated graphics, although Intel Xe graphics on the current Tiger Lake CPUs is a big improvement.
Theo
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bit weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the 2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks, Chris. I had zoomed-in on cards in that sort of range, and I'm
glad to hear that the 1050Ti would be a decent upgrade. (I've
registered the need to look at profile, and power.) However, I'll only
use it for this one application; I don't need great performance, as the
rendering is only done every now and than and if it takes 25 seconds
instead of 5 that really won't matter, and it goes against the grain to
splash out on a machine that'll be junk in the foreseeable future (gee,
thanks, Microsoft). So do you think a 1030 would do the job?
I really don't know. nVidia normally have x60, x70, x80 spec cards within
each series. Having an x50 is unusual and an x30 must be really cut down. I >> would avoid it, I think.
Those sort of cards are basically for people who want to connect more monitors to their computer, rather than any rendering prowess. Here's the
10 series comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series
Note how the 1030 is 384 cores and 2GB RAM, while the specs rapidly go up from there (GTX1050 640/768 cores and 2-4GB RAM, GTX1070 1920 cores and 8GB RAM). And that series was released in *2016*, so is now 5 years old - they just recycle crippled older chips as 'budget' cards.
A 1030 should *work*, but expect 1 FPS in fancy games. Which perhaps won't matter if all you're doing is rendering some video overnight. It'll also be at the bottom end of the memory range so you might have to scale down
quality to reduce the amount of resources (textures etc) in memory.
Also to note that lower end cards are limited in their outputs - at some point you had to go up to a *50 to get Displayport, for example. I haven't checked the 1030.
Ordinarily I'd suggest going with a used card from a previous generation,
but it's a bit risky with ex-mining cards being sold off, as some of those are worn out through being hammered 24/7.
If you know anyone selling off a
card you know hasn't been used for mining, that could be a good option.
If you go too old you start dropping off the support lifetime, so I'd check what DirectX version a card supports.
Theo
Actually it's not that risky. Although, they will have been run
continuously they tend to underclock them a bit to increase stability and a good setup will have thorough cooling. Borderline cards will fail early so
a card that's been used for a while could be a decent buy.
I'd be interested in buying one but they're still really expensive.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
[buying ex-mining GPUs]
Actually it's not that risky. Although, they will have been run
continuously they tend to underclock them a bit to increase stability and a >> good setup will have thorough cooling. Borderline cards will fail early so >> a card that's been used for a while could be a decent buy.
I'd be interested in buying one but they're still really expensive.
Thing is you don't know what life it's lead, and whether it's still functional. It could 'work' but be glitchy or unstable under load, for example, or have memory errors. Since the vendor is unlikely to offer you a warranty, it's hard to test for these things and you don't get much comeback if it's anything other than DOA.
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bit weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that.
Sounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does.
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features, which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
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Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bit
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that.
Sounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does.
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features, which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D
rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add
more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
Hope that does the trick. Sadly the GPU market is a complete mess - sooner there's a crash in crypto prices the better, IMHO.
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
How do you find that software, by the way? I've seen various similar, but I'm wondering what they do beyond simply a bit of floorplanning and 3D rendering. Will they help with, say, load calculations or where to run services? Will it generate drawings sufficient for submitting for planning, or do you still need to pay someone to do that?
(I suppose people like renders on planning applications these days...)
Theo
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theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bit
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that.
Sounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular >>> software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote >>> seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does.
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features, >>> which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the >>> program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the
resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an
architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the
software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.3c0edf37d091abe5989988@news.eternal-september.org>, thiswillbounceback@you.com says...
In article <aPf*+7iAy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bit
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that.
Sounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular
software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote >>> seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does.
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features,
which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the
program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the >>> resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an
architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the >> software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D
rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add
more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
Good luck with it. I've been waiting over a year for a £200 card to improve on my current 1060...
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Can you do mine as well please? ;)
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Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
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thiswillbounceback@you.com says...
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theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bitSounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that. >>>>>
software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote >>>>> seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does. >>>>>
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features,
which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the
program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the >>>>> resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an >>>>> architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the >>>> software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D
rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB
graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card >>> will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add
more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
Good luck with it. I've been waiting over a year for a £200 card to improve >> on my current 1060...
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Can you do mine as well please? ;)
As far as I can see the 1050Ti may be a better card than the 1060? The former
has only 3GB of RAM compared with 4GB for the 1050Ti, but I'm no expert in these things!
I rather think I'd find doing yours easier than doing mine! (Too much at stake!). One thing I would say is that getting expert advice (architect) made
a *vast* difference. Our original contractor (high-end interior designer with
a stable of preferred trades) did a "design" for us which we thought clearly inadequate - it used only a fraction of the space, and the positioning of the staircase was highly questionable. Much to his chagrin, we brought in 'specialist' loft conversion contractors to quote, but even they seemed to want
to drop standard solutions onto what's quite a big roof space. Eventually we went to a local architect, and the difference was worth every penny - a really
striking, imaginative design. But of course that was what led to the battles with the planners...
By the way, this thread surely can't be OT if the group is called "homebuilt"!
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
In article <sofsro$dll$1@dont-email.me>, ithinkiam@gmail.com says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.3c0edf37d091abe5989988@news.eternal-september.org>,
thiswillbounceback@you.com says...
In article <aPf*+7iAy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bitSounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that. >>>>>
software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote
seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does. >>>>>
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features,
which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the
program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the >>>>> resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an >>>>> architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the >>>> software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D
rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB >>> graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card
will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add
more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
Good luck with it. I've been waiting over a year for a £200 card to improve
on my current 1060...
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Can you do mine as well please? ;)
As far as I can see the 1050Ti may be a better card than the 1060? The former
has only 3GB of RAM compared with 4GB for the 1050Ti, but I'm no expert in these things!
It may be, but not enough to warrant the expense. I had my eye on a 1660
card last year, but thought it too expensive at ~£250...
I rather think I'd find doing yours easier than doing mine! (Too much at stake!). One thing I would say is that getting expert advice (architect) made
a *vast* difference. Our original contractor (high-end interior designer with
a stable of preferred trades) did a "design" for us which we thought clearly
inadequate - it used only a fraction of the space, and the positioning of the
staircase was highly questionable. Much to his chagrin, we brought in 'specialist' loft conversion contractors to quote, but even they seemed to want
to drop standard solutions onto what's quite a big roof space. Eventually we
went to a local architect, and the difference was worth every penny - a really
striking, imaginative design. But of course that was what led to the battles
with the planners...
Not even there yet. We're still at the agreeing with SO regarding plans stage.
By the way, this thread surely can't be OT if the group is called "homebuilt"!
heh
In article <sogabs$du3$1@dont-email.me>, ithinkiam@gmail.com says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
In article <sofsro$dll$1@dont-email.me>, ithinkiam@gmail.com says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.3c0edf37d091abe5989988@news.eternal-september.org>,
thiswillbounceback@you.com says...
In article <aPf*+7iAy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...
Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone, once again. The gist of replies is that the 1030 is a bitSounds fair. One thing you could do is seek out forums for this particular
weedy for any significant rendering - which is not what I'd hoped to hear. The
1050Ti is almost £200, and I think that money would be better put towards a new
machine in a couple of years, given that the 2020 version of the software runs
fine on my existing GT 640. I've had a response from customer service (I'd
floated the idea of a refund) and they want me to talk to support (Monday now)
so I'll follow that up and see what they suggest. They've offered to add the
2021 version to my 'Key' to see if that runs, and I might try that. >>>>>>>
software and see what users recommend in real life. The specs they quote
seem somewhat excessive for what it seems the program actually does. >>>>>>>
I see they're recommending RTX cards for the realtime ray tracing features,
which is fair enough, but it's quite possible you can still make use of the
program by just skipping a few of the whizzy features, downscaling the >>>>>>> resolution or running renders overnight. Especially if you're not an >>>>>>> architect using the program all day for professional purposes, for whom time
is money and spending a few hundred on hardware is nothing.
Theo
Certainly performance hasn't been an issue on the earlier version of the >>>>>> software. I'll check the user forums - thanks for the reminder.
There wasn't much on the user forums, surprisingly (before my update tonight).
Support were helpful, though. Apparently it's a major upgrade in terms of 3D
rendering, and the minimum spec is DirectX 12, Shader Model 6, and 2 GB >>>>> graphics memory, or the 3D rendering is simply disabled. That is likely to hit
a lot of people purchasing or upgrading, I figure. They said the 1030 card
will just about do it, but with rapidly deteriorating performance as you add
more twiddles to your design. So I've just ordered a GTX 1050 Ti at £215 from
Amazon. Prices are clearly soaring (even for a relatively old card like this)
and availability is very, very thin.
Good luck with it. I've been waiting over a year for a £200 card to improve
on my current 1060...
No excuses now, I have to design that extension...
Can you do mine as well please? ;)
As far as I can see the 1050Ti may be a better card than the 1060? The former
has only 3GB of RAM compared with 4GB for the 1050Ti, but I'm no expert in >>> these things!
It may be, but not enough to warrant the expense. I had my eye on a 1660
card last year, but thought it too expensive at ~£250...
I rather think I'd find doing yours easier than doing mine! (Too much at >>> stake!). One thing I would say is that getting expert advice (architect) made
a *vast* difference. Our original contractor (high-end interior designer with
a stable of preferred trades) did a "design" for us which we thought clearly
inadequate - it used only a fraction of the space, and the positioning of the
staircase was highly questionable. Much to his chagrin, we brought in
'specialist' loft conversion contractors to quote, but even they seemed to want
to drop standard solutions onto what's quite a big roof space. Eventually we
went to a local architect, and the difference was worth every penny - a really
striking, imaginative design. But of course that was what led to the battles
with the planners...
Not even there yet. We're still at the agreeing with SO regarding plans
stage.
By the way, this thread surely can't be OT if the group is called "homebuilt"!
heh
I checked the Home Designer website, and they don't seem to be offering older versions (2021 was the last one which would run on my 12-year-old Dell with a GT 640). That may be a marketing mistake. Otherwise, I'd encourage you to give it a try (you can still play with a trial download, but you won't get 3D rendering without a 2GB DirectX12 graphics card). Otherwise, for getting ideas
these shows around the UK are very useful, and you can get good advice from the
one-to-one adviser sessions. https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/news/homebuilding-and-renovating-show
As far as I can see the 1050Ti may be a better card than the 1060? The former
has only 3GB of RAM compared with 4GB for the 1050Ti, but I'm no expert in these things!
On 4 Dec 2021 at 14:28:57 GMT, "Philip Herlihy"
<thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
As far as I can see the 1050Ti may be a better card than the 1060? The former
has only 3GB of RAM compared with 4GB for the 1050Ti, but I'm no expert in these things!
Given you're doing this to avoid potential costly mistakes in building
work that's going to run you many many thousands of pounds, why not just reframe the costs as putting 0.5% of your budget into prep? I bet you're putting much more into other less necessary things.
Cheers - Jaimie
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