• Re: Email Error - wiki page on email setup

    From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Jan 10 22:56:56 2025
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    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some
    screen shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration
    pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail
    systems etc?


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  • From Alan J. Wylie@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Sat Jan 11 10:47:06 2025
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    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    s/"equiries@rapidplumbers.com"/"enquiries@rapidplumbers.com"/

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Sat Jan 11 11:59:28 2025
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    On 10/01/2025 in message <vls8jp$8vgi$1@dont-email.me> John Rumm wrote:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some screen >shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail >systems etc?

    Looks good, will have a study over the weekend, you're a fast writer :-)

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jan 11 12:12:57 2025
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    On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:59:28 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    On 10/01/2025 in message <vls8jp$8vgi$1@dont-email.me> John Rumm wrote:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose
    anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some
    screen shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration >>pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail >>systems etc?

    Looks good, will have a study over the weekend, you're a fast writer :-)

    For those who want to get serious about email (and not many will) I can recommend this book. The author is excellent.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1642350788

    There is also an ebook but you have to get that direct from Tilted
    Windmill Press.

    (Disclosure: I was one of the sponsors; I got a special limited edition:
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/qcbpYzX1yqweUNtw8
    )


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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Alan J. Wylie on Sat Jan 11 14:22:06 2025
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    On 11/01/2025 10:47, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> writes:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    s/"equiries@rapidplumbers.com"/"enquiries@rapidplumbers.com"/

    Lol - well spotted - I had to read that several times to spot the
    problem.... all the right number of vowels, but the brain skipped over
    the n each time.


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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Sat Jan 11 16:15:47 2025
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    On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:12:57 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

    On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:59:28 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    [quoted text muted]

    For those who want to get serious about email

    I wouldn't bother ... it seems 95% of the world still runs on phone
    numbers. Makes me wonder wtf I wasted my life swallowing the RFCs.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Tue Jan 14 13:54:32 2025
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    On 10/01/2025 in message <vls8jp$8vgi$1@dont-email.me> John Rumm wrote:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some screen >shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail >systems etc?


    I have now read this in more depth, many thanks for all the work you have
    put in!

    Is it possible to break down/analyse an email address e.g.

    Email address: enquiries@rapidplumbers.com

    The elements of the address are:

    I don't know the technical bits but name, @ sign, domain etc. - it might
    make it easier for people task better questions rather than fumbling along
    like I did.

    Something I have seen but don't know how it works like the ability to ad
    +nnn to the name.

    From memory of playing with Slackware (30 years ago) overcoming Linux
    smarts to ensure an email is sent externally, I think it involved a '%'
    sign?


    I'm sure you can tell from this how much I need the Wiki page :-)

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Jan 16 12:06:31 2025
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    On 14/01/2025 13:54, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 10/01/2025 in message <vls8jp$8vgi$1@dont-email.me> John Rumm wrote:

    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose
    anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some
    screen shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration
    pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail
    systems etc?


    I have now read this in more depth, many thanks for all the work you
    have put in!

    Is it possible to break down/analyse an email address e.g.

    Email address: enquiries@rapidplumbers.com

    The elements of the address are:

    I don't know the technical bits but name, @ sign, domain etc. - it might
    make it easier for people task better questions rather than fumbling
    along like I did.

    I have added a side box with some details of how the domain bit can be
    used or not with ISP email provisions depending whether they let you use subdomains.

    Something I have seen but don't know how it works like the ability to ad
    +nnn to the name.

    You sometimes see that kind of thing used when configuring email as a
    way of naming mailboxes that belong to one customer, but are tied to
    multiple email addresses.

    So with plusnet for example they give you a "catch all" style mail setup
    - so all mail sent to any address on your username gets delivered to the
    same mailbox. To collect mail you have your mail software login with a
    username that just matches the account name. So say your account was "artichoke" you would login to mail.plus.net with the username
    "artichoke". They also create a "catch all" mail setup by default. So
    you could advertise the email addresses "sales@artichoke.plus.net" and "jeff@artichoke.plus.net". However both addresses would receive email
    and that would all go to the one mailbox.

    If you want you can configure multiple mailboxes so they go to their own mailbox. When configuring your mail software you then need to manipulate
    the login username to identify which mailbox you want if you don't want
    the catch all one. So you would have your email client login with "artichoke+sales" or "artichoke+jeff"

    Other mail systems also have some foibles... like gmail will allow the insertion of a "." in an email address anywhere you like. So karlmarks@gmail.com and karl.marks@gmail.com are to gmail, the same user
    (even though to the outside world, they are different email addresses)

    From memory of playing with Slackware (30 years ago) overcoming Linux
    smarts to ensure an email is sent externally, I think it involved a '%'
    sign?

    I'm sure you can tell from this how much I need the Wiki page :-)

    Let me know if you want more stiff expanded in what is there so far.

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    John.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Fri Jan 17 02:26:06 2025
    On 2025-01-10, John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
    On 10/01/2025 08:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Look forward to the blog on the subject :-)

    Here is an early draft:

    https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/DIY_Email_setup

    It might err on the side of too much detail (drink from a firehose anyone?)

    It could certainly use plenty of extra examples - and perhaps some
    screen shots from popular DNS management pages and email configuration
    pages etc.

    Perhaps it could include tables of common SPF records for popular mail systems etc?


    It is an interesting and informative read. I have book marked it.

    To me it needs to have the headers of the sections in bold and the headers
    of the paragraphs unbolded. Just a small point.

    Thanks for writing it.

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