I added a couple of SSDs to my server today connected to a PCIe SATA card
and it has slowed the PC to a crawl, so slow it times out trying to
connect by RDP!
Sitting at the PC physically Task Manager doesn't show anything alarming
but the PC is unusable.
All these cards seem to fit in the smallest of the PCIe slots which is described as PCIe 3.0 x 1. I also have 2 PCIe x 3.0 x 16 slots (x16 and x
4 modes).
I can't find a SATA card that would use 4 or 16 lanes, even this card:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Yes, definitely, something is very much awry.
But something is very wrong if things are that slow - perhaps the problem >>is
not the SATA card?
But something is very wrong if things are that slow - perhaps the problem is not the SATA card?
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a
card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective drive!
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective >>drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the >RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot spare >if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they may >be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used them
on Linux)
Theo
But something is very wrong if things are that slow+1
On 03/01/2025 in message <us0m4l-vqug.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu> Chris Green wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Yes, definitely, something is very much awry.
But something is very wrong if things are that slow - perhaps the
problem is
not the SATA card?
Defective drive :-(
Explorer spent 5 hours this afternoon copying from source to dest and
has in fact copied nothing but it didn't raise any errors which seems odd.
Drive is < 2years old, was in my NAS, when I took it out I removed
zillions of partitions and set it up as one GPT partition but something
went wrong somewhere.
I've turned the PC off for now as it has has shuffled some drive letters
so I'll take a fresh look tomorrow.
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards?
I think I would rather have a
card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a
defective drive!
On 03/01/2025 in message <BSw*QSH3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective >>drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the >RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot spare >if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they may >be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used them >on Linux)
Theo
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of
the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of cooling?
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective >>drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the >RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot spare >if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they may >be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used them
on Linux)
Theo
On 03/01/2025 in message <BSw*QSH3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>> card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a
defective
drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >> note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the
RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot
spare
if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So
they may
be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used
them
on Linux)
Theo
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of
the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of cooling?
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of
the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of >>cooling?
Not really. Most server chassis have a bit of airflow which should be >sufficient. With the HP P410 in my Gen7 Microserver the chip and heatsink >are rammed right in an airless corner so I replaced the solid PCIe bracket >with one with holes to allow more airflow from the outside.
I added a couple of SSDs to my server today connected to a PCIe SATA card and it has slowed the PC to a crawl, so slow it times out trying to connect by RDP!
Sitting at the PC physically Task Manager doesn't show anything alarming but the PC is unusable.
All these cards seem to fit in the smallest of the PCIe slots which is described as PCIe 3.0 x 1. I also have 2 PCIe x 3.0 x 16 slots (x16 and x 4 modes).
I can't find a SATA card that would use 4 or 16 lanes, even this card:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09FY9FBTN
which has 4 x host controllers still only needs 1 lane.
What do I need to look for to get a reasonable speed out of my SSD drives, is it lanes or host controllers or chipset or something else?
Advice appreciated, I can't remember when I had a PC running so slowly - it's in the middle of a job at the moment, I'll check what make the card is if it ever finishes...
On 03/01/2025 in message <BSw*QSH3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>> card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective >>> drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >> note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the
RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot spare >> if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they may >> be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used them >> on Linux)
Theo
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of cooling?
On 04/01/2025 in message <zSw*dKL3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of >>the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of >>cooling?
Not really. Most server chassis have a bit of airflow which should be >sufficient. With the HP P410 in my Gen7 Microserver the chip and heatsink >are rammed right in an airless corner so I replaced the solid PCIe bracket >with one with holes to allow more airflow from the outside.
Cables arrived, boots with 4 x SSD but slooow, won't boot with 4 x SSD + 4
x Spinners.
Think I'll get an Asmedia 1166 card and keep it simple.
As a side issue the order of drives in Win 10 Disk Management and
MiniTools Partition Wizard is different and neither lines up with what I thought I had set up. It helps trouble shooting if I know what drive is connected to what slot.
Is there a definitive way of knowing this?
On Sat, 1/4/2025 11:17 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 03/01/2025 in message <BSw*QSH3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo >>wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>>>card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a >>>>defective
drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, >>>but
note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the >>>RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot >>>spare
if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they >>>may
be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used >>>them
on Linux)
Theo
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of
the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of >>cooling?
Haven't you ever had to make a cooling bracket for a PC ???
I added a couple of SSDs to my server today connected to a PCIe SATA
card and it has slowed the PC to a crawl, so slow it times out trying to connect by RDP!
Sitting at the PC physically Task Manager doesn't show anything alarming
but the PC is unusable.
All these cards seem to fit in the smallest of the PCIe slots which is described as PCIe 3.0 x 1. I also have 2 PCIe x 3.0 x 16 slots (x16 and
x 4 modes).
I can't find a SATA card that would use 4 or 16 lanes, even this card:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09FY9FBTN
which has 4 x host controllers still only needs 1 lane.
What do I need to look for to get a reasonable speed out of my SSD
drives,
is it lanes or host controllers or chipset or something else?
Advice appreciated, I can't remember when I had a PC running so slowly -
it's in the middle of a job at the moment, I'll check what make the card
is if it ever finishes...
What do I need to look for to get a reasonable speed out of my SSD
drives,
is it lanes or host controllers or chipset or something else?
Advice appreciated, I can't remember when I had a PC running so slowly - >>it's in the middle of a job at the moment, I'll check what make the card
is if it ever finishes...
How old is this computer.?
On Sat, 1/4/2025 11:17 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 03/01/2025 in message <BSw*QSH3z@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote: >>
In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
Are "Host Bus Adapters" SATA or NIC cards? I think I would rather have a >>>> card that doesn't sit there like a sausage if it comes across a defective >>>> drive!
They're SATA (and often SAS too). I'd expect better error reporting, but >>> note that the enterprise answer to 'drive failed' is 'throw it out of the >>> RAID and prompt the operator to plug in another' (or migrate to a hot spare >>> if you have one) rather than try to work with a failing drive. So they may
be more trigger happy when a drive does start to fail.
(I assume most of them come with Windows drivers; I've only ever used them >>> on Linux)
Theo
I have had to order a couple of cables, should arrive tomorrow.
Looking on YouTube there are several set up videos and they all warn of the heat produced by these card, did you do anything special in terms of cooling?
Haven't you ever had to make a cooling bracket for a PC ???
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/k5GTdqyH/make-cooling-bracket-for-PC.jpg
That's 1" Al angle (it's the thicker one at the store, don't use
the thin stuff) as the stock used.
You cut the material and place the screw hole,
so the end of the piece fits snugly against the PC case (that's what
stops it from drooping, is the snug fit to the case plus one screw
inserted). This particular adapter is for another PC case (Antec Sonata)
and does not fit the case I used for the photo properly.
While you can make brackets that use two screw holes (and
the end does not have to fit snug against the case wall),
that's more work.
The hole I drilled is beveled, to suit the screw on the Sonata.
The screw on the Phantecs fits, but not the beveled part.
You fit a fan and use small cable ties, to hold the fan body
snug against the 1" surface of the angle piece. The fan needs
a three position plug for the wiring and such (some fans
are purchased without the plug on the end, and you have to
fit one yourself).
Snip <
Nope, never had the need or the thought to do that.
Most people don't have the tools to do that. DIY, PC wise, is going
generally out of fashion. They prefer a bought solution.
You fit a fan and use small cable ties, to hold the fan body
snug against the 1" surface of the angle piece. The fan needs
a three position plug for the wiring and such (some fans
are purchased without the plug on the end, and you have to
fit one yourself).
Snip <
Nope, never had the need or the thought to do that.
Most people don't have the tools to do that. DIY, PC wise, is going
generally out of fashion. They prefer a bought solution.
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